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Its Not That Complicated.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GARDENHEAD, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We're a good team who can beat the teams we're supposed to beat (Jax, Oak, Buffalo, SD) but can't beat the teams that are very good (GB, Det, Denver). We're not getting crushed by these tvery good teams, so its frustrating.

    We've improved greatly since the first few weeks, but can't get over the hump. We're a 9-7 team. That's who we are. If we catch a break, we're a 10-6 team. If we get unlucky, we're an 8-8 team. Its not that complicated.

    ps- I think we finally got our QB, so that's something.
     
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  2. KeyFin

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    Umm, maybe you should take a look at what Denver's opponents have scored this season. Besides a fluke of a horrible game last week, Denver has been putting up ridiculous numbers all season and basically ending the game in the first half. Without that double-tipped ball that was intercepted, Miami likely won this ballgame and led it from start to finish. I just don't see the doom and gloom after this one...the team played hard in a super-tough environment (as in...there's no air to breathe) and almost beat the best team in football.

    Speaking of which, Denver hasn't lost at home but a handful of times in the past 3 years Manning has been there. Today wasn't a shocker by any means, but Miami almost made it one.
     
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  3. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not "doom and gloom". We just can't get over the hump against better teams. You point to a double tipped ball this game, a inbounds tackle versus GB, a 4th down versus Det. It all adds up to a team that is improving, but not there yet. We're saying the same thing.
     
  4. Fins Hipster

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    Perhaps, but he's an Alex Smith-type QB at this point, which means the team needs exceptional play elsewhere, either on defense or in terms of turnover margin. Without that you're talking about the 8-8 to 10-6 range you mentioned. A team with a better QB can get away with poorer play elsewhere and still be highly competitive.
     
  5. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No. You're wrong.
     
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  6. Brasfin

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    I'll take an Alex Smith-type QB at this point.. especially if he, on his 3rd season (while playing 1 year as a QB in college), is being compared to a 10 year veteran who only started peaking a few years ago.
     
  7. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    It's ALWAYS some fluke play or some BS reason why we continue to lose, year after year after year. I'm SICK of Losing!
     
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  8. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Yeah who cares if they lost to Denver or Jacksonville. Still a loss and Miami has 5. Can only afford 1 more. 7 losses and its yet another year of watching teams they almost beat (and a few the did) in the playoffs.

    This should be the most talented team they've had since 2003. If they blow it like they did in 02/03, what next? Hopefully they can go 4-1 and make it to January.
     
  9. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly! We're a 9-7 team. Good enough to beat the mediocre teams, but for some reason we can't beat the "very good" teams. Quite frustrating, but not complicated.
     
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  10. Fins Hipster

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    Well you saw it out there today, in fact. The team got Alex Smith-level play at QB, and because it didn't have stellar play on defense or with regard to turnover margin, it didn't beat a good team. You say it's not that complicated, and you're right -- it's not. Now, don't get me wrong -- Alex Smith-level play is indeed above-average QB play. Alex Smith made the Pro Bowl, after all. However, it isn't elite QB play, and for that reason the team doesn't usually beat the highly competitive teams, the ones with elite QBs, unless it gets exceptional play elsewhere. It didn't get exceptional play elsewhere today, and for that reason the elite QB it played beat it.
     
  11. GARDENHEAD

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    I saw our QB put up 35 points. What the heck did you see?!?!
     
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  12. Fins Hipster

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    The opposing QB put up 39. You know, Peyton Manning, the first-ballot Hall-of-Famer who had a 135 QB rating and a YPA above 7 today? It's ironic that you're saying the Dolphins don't beat good teams and say it isn't that complicated, yet here I break it down for you and you dispute it. Why do you suppose they don't beat good teams? For some other reason?
     
  13. MiamiDolphin618

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    Okay but how many truly "elite" quarterbacks are there out there? Its not like Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers are out there growing on trees every year. The last 3 superbowl winners are Russell Wilson, Flacco, and Eli Manning. More often that not...the teams that win have good quarterback play and surround the team with talent. If Ryan Tannehill can play like he has been here recently..there is no excuse to not win with that.
     
  14. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Good answer troll.
     
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  15. MiamiDolphin618

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    They didnt beat them today because the defense played terrible and was hindered by injuries to boot. Denver averaged 29 coming into this game...lets not act like we should have expected Manning to drop a 40 spot on us because hes a great QB. The defensive gets paid too
     
  16. Fins Hipster

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    And that's exactly what I'm saying. If you have QB talent on the level of Flacco or Eli Manning, you'd better have exceptional play elsewhere. This team doesn't have exceptional play elsewhere, hence the 8-8 to 10-6 range the person above mentioned. The teams with elite quarterback play can get away with less exceptional play elsewhere. Today the Dolphins had Alex Smith-level QB play, it didn't get exceptional play elsewhere, and it lost to a team with an elite QB.
     
  17. MiamiDolphin618

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    And Im saying you have a lot better chance of winning with good QB play and building a team around that than finding a truly elite QB like a Manning or Rodgers. Not to mention Manning, one of if not the greatest QB we have ever seen has 1 ring while a guy like Eli has multiple.
     
  18. pmj

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    It absolutely was elite QB play when your QB scores 4 tds and have over 100 rating. He and Peyton had basically the same stats and played the same game, except for the Broncos ran all over us. Brady won 3 Super Bowls without really being a deep thrower along with plenty of other teams.

    While I would like to see more shots downfield, that alone is not the end all be all.
     
  19. Fins Hipster

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    The Broncos have averaged 6.2 yards per play this year, and they averaged 6.3 today. They didn't do anything out of the ordinary overall offensively, and the Dolphins' defense wasn't terrible. What won the game was Manning, his play in the clutch, and his play overall, which was well within the elite category.
     
  20. Fins Hipster

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    Manning's QB rating was over 30 points higher than Tannehill's, which was a product of his better completion percentage (80%), his higher YPA, and his better TD to INT ratio. QB rating differential strongly correlates with wins in the NFL, and when one QB's rating is 30 points higher than the other's, the team with the QB with the lower rating rarely wins. It's not impossible, but it takes exceptionally good play elsewhere that also rarely happens in the league.
     
  21. Fin D

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    Brilliant logic. Tannehill isn't Peyton Manning, so its his fault we lost. Really, you're awesome and smart.
     
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  22. Fins Hipster

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    Any QB who isn't in Peyton Manning's category stands a fairly poor chance of beating him if he doesn't get either 1) an unusually good game out of himself, or 2) exceptionally good play from other areas of his team. The Dolphins got neither today, hence the loss. Manning played terrific, even by his standards, and the Dolphins had no answer.
     
  23. Bumrush

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    Fail.
    Good job, good effort troll.
     
  24. pmj

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    Obviously his rating is higher when an int happens bc of a tipped ball. 201 yards rushing doesn't have anything to do with losing?

    What is your point in all this? Yes, we understand Peyton Manning is really fkn good.

    Should we just keep trading draft picks every year to select top QBs every year until we get the next HoFer?
     
  25. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Don't feed the troll. He is trying to rationalize the BS he is writing
     
  26. heylookatme

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    Fins Hipster is a pretty good new screen name, shou.
     
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  27. thisperishedmin

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    what the **** is this thread even about? lol
     
  28. Fins Hipster

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    That's the point. Manning's QB rating was 135 today. There have been 227 games since 2004 in which one QB had a QB rating of 135 or higher. Only 7 times have those QBs' teams lost in those 227 games. 3.1%.
     
  29. pmj

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    QBs that throw 4 tds and zero picks, while scoring 39 points, at home, win a lot. News at 11.
     
  30. MAFishFan

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    If anyone thinks any part of this loss is Tannehill's fault.......I don't even know.
     
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  31. 77FinFan

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    Amen
     
  32. scotty_irnbru

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    And yet we only lost by 3. And we never made a tackle the whole game. Yawn. Your argument is nonsense dude. Bar One interception their stats are basically the same. And even that isn't on RT. It's a single moment of luck which went the other way.
     
  33. Fin D

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    Lemme guess, Hipster, you were ignoring the whole defensive side of the game before it was cool, right?
     
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  34. adamprez2003

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    I blame obama.
     
  35. finwin

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    What the Op is talking about is the difference between a good team and us. Dallas wins those close games this year, we lose them. I'm still on the fence about this team. We can compete with the best teams, but we can't beat them. If that's the case, we should beat all the remaining teams on our schedule except for NE, but since most Dolphin fans don't think that will happen, then it's not the case. Right now, we're just bad enough to miss the playoffs good. We'll be drafting around 14th. Honestly, I'd rather be 7-9 or 6-10 rather than 9-7 missing the playoffs.
     
  36. CashInFist

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    Aren't you tired of losing and making excuses too?
     
  37. vt_dolfan

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    LOL... Guess I want the only one..
     
  38. vt_dolfan

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    Even now you can't back off your weird hatred for 17
     
  39. djphinfan

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    besides the pats game who do you think we will lose to keeping us from going 10 and 6?
     
  40. KeyFin

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    It wasn't some fluke play...did you watch the game at all? Miami legitimately beat the Broncos for three quarters of football and gassed out in the high altitude. Even when the defense couldn't get it done though, our offense came back swinging and damn near took the W anyway. Yes, a loss is a loss, but sometimes you have to see the bigger picture and realize how much your team has grown.
     

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