Jim Harbaugh sucks. Jim Harbaugh would be 0-11 with our team, speaking of records for the records crowd. Guy has one of the best Olines in recent history, Crabtree, Boldin, Davis, Gore, Hyde. They are loaded on O and D. We don't have near their talent. Matter of fact watching the Bills and Jets we are the least talented team in the division. The only reason we are competitive and on the upswing and scoring a ton is Joe Philbin--we have a HC and the system that is not only successful but fun, which is the most important thing to have. Harbaugh cannot do a tenth of a job as HC that Joe Philbin does and has done. Plus, Harbaugh is an idiot.
Yeah you can see how much more talent the Jets have with those 6 plays, two punts and already allowing a TD drive.
So Harbaugh went to 3 NFC title games and a Super Bowl by being an idiot, the same roster that Singletary could not go above .500? Amazing. Still think he goes to Oakland over us but calling him an idiot just because you feel like it and no other basis than that, isn't very smart of you.
and they call me a troll...this is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen...right up there with Jordy Nelson sucks, another one of your gems
While I think it'd be tough to fire a 10 win coach, it's happened. I think 10 wins and no playoffs, Ross will keep him. Frankly, I just hope we retain Lazor. He is the star of he staff. Look at the points we score! On pace for over 400 points for the first time since 1986!!! May be worth promoting, if he can be a hands on the offense head coach, and let's Coyle run with the D like Buddy Ryan...minus the a-holishness.
Not only would Harbaugh not outperform Philbin, he would severely under perform threatening to go 0fer the season, and it would be boring Sparano football as well. The only clearly better coach in the NFL is Belichick. Philbin is #2. And we are not getting Belichick. We have a team, for the first time in the history of the Dolphins, and the only team other than the Pats, where it does not matter who goes out on the offense. Guys come in and perform. It's unreal. And considering that the Pats struggle when they lose Gronk more than we do when we lose anyone, in that respect we are better than the Pats and have a better system, a more stable system, the best system in the NFL, soncisdering the QB we are playing with. Philbin is unreal, out of this world. He gave us a gift of the system. He is the savior.
Oh boy.. Cant wait to see the stats on this one.. How much you wanna bet is gonna be our yards per attempt vs what our pass defense has given up.
Right now I would keep everybody meaning HC, OC, DC and GM. The record is not great but we have beaten good teams and this year have taken strong teams right to the end. The team plays hard for this staff. I think there is a lot to be said for continuity. I really see more risk of big changes working out more poorly for us than being positive. Having said this if we lose 2 more games it is iffy and 3 more games and I believe it's clean house and start over.
So... You like Bill Lazor not Philbin... And you also realize that Bill was his 2nd choice, after the other guy went to NYG?
The efficiency of the passing game, as measured by yards per pass attempt.http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt
Sooooo. He's a top 3 coach, makes the NFCCG every year yet his team doesn't seem to want him around. Sounds strange, no?
No he doesn't...15-17. You're not understanding.....you are changing the measuring stick. If you are going to use w-l records, then you can't say Saban was the best since Jimmy. If you are going to say Saban is the best since Jimmy, then you can't use record against Philbin.
I like the coaching staff as a whole and think this team is better this year than last. I like what Hickey has done, he's not perfect but he's improved the talent on the team and done a solid job drafting. I just don't see who is out there that is going to just take this team to the next level. If we fire Philbin we lose the staff and have to hope we can find a good HC and entirely new staff. Sounds like a 3 year rebuilding plan...no bueno. I think we are in a similar position that the Bengals were in with Marvin Lewis, he just wasn't getting them over the top and maybe he still hasn't but he has build a consistent team that has a shot every year. They might get hot and win one of these years. Its better than starting over every three years.
Okay, Philbin and Saban had the same record after two seasons; with Saban's teams being far less talented. It's a pretty easy distinction to make. Nick Saban was also FAR, FAR more hands-on in terms of coaching and personnel than Joe Philbin is. That was his ultimate downfall as he passed on Brees in favor of Daunte Culpepper. If he'd signed Drew Brees, I think it's fair to wonder if he'd still be the Dolphins coach. I think the proper comparison is that Nick Saban was not as good a talent evaluator as Ireland or Hickey. As I said before, Dave Wannstedt and Tony Sparano have better records than Philbin. I think that's pretty telling considering how many, yourself included in this very thread, view those two. Joe Philbin is what he is. Nick Saban, btw, also had a winning season as head coach his rookie year. That's something Joe Philbin does not have yet.
His point is that in today's NFL, progress can be made more significantly, and more rapidly. Miami 2008. Indianapolis 2012. Arizona 2013.
Yes, but the key is the GM and scouting. GM has to make choice moves. We dont and have not had a GM with any brain for 3+ decades. We have the worst scouting in the NFL.
Where do you get far less talented from? I'm not sure why I'm not making this clear...you cannot tell me Saban was better when he had the same record, then turn around and use record as a measuring stick to say Wannidiot and Sparano were better. Its contradicting. Just because it CAN happen doesn't mean that is the bar or that it will happen with any frequency. 2008 was a fluke. 2012 was also a fluke since the team sucked for Luck.
How does Sparano have a better record than Philbin? Sparano's record with Miami was 29-32 (.475) while Philbin's record with Miami is 21-22 (.488).
I couldn't be more excited to see Philbin go. I see nothing he brings to this team as a HC. Unfortunately he'll probably be back. I think a better coach would have won us 2 or even 3 of those close games. But none of them?
I've been OK with firing him immediately as soon as the Jonathan Martin thing came out. Nothings changed barring a SB win.
The difference between Joe Philbin and Cam Cameron has much more to do with the talent of their teams rather than their ability as coaches.
Disagree. Both quarterbacks produced far below potential, (Especially Luck at Stanford, who he had run a power set offense, with a controlled short passing game averaging 26 Pass attempts per game and a paltry 236 Yards per game. THINK ABOUT THAT) and he is tightening the reigns on Kap by the DAY in the pros. Harbaugh is Sparano with a better reputation and incredible luck when picking which team to coach. You got Luck as your college quarterback...of course...run it with a bunch of giant dudes in 12 personnel.
I'm on the record as wanting Philbin fired. Philbin does do a number of things well. I like his attention to detail. I know a lot of people on the boards are critical of this but speaking as a chef I can guarantee you that the only way to have a great restaurant is to be completely OCD about detail. I like that he is a steady HC not a brash chest thumper. Mike Ditka only won one SB as a head coach. The Ryans collectively have not been to the SB as HCs. Coaches with multiple SB rings tend to be calm and steady type, not the firebreathers (Walsh, Belichek, Gibbs). i will give him a pass on some of the game management decisions because its easy to criticise in hindsight. What I don't like is more about his conservatism. 1) Ellerbe would still be starting without an injury, his replacement has played at more or less Probowl level. This is just an example but overall young players are only getting a chance if there is no other option. 2) his games plans, whilst more aggressive than Tony Sparanos, aren't very aggressive. This shows up with the second half adjustments. Long story short is that if we played like we have in the second halves fir the whole games this year our record would be much better
He happens to also be the head coach of the team you have stated needs to replace every single player on the defensive side of the ball. I think your knowledge of the history of the Dolphins is quite limited if you really think this is the first time in the history of the Dolphins they can plug in any member of the Dolphins offense and still have success. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember that it was a backup QB who actually led the Dolphins to the majority of their wins in their perfect season. As far as Philbin giving us a system. That system so far has led to a 21-22 record over the past 3 years. It should also be noted that if not for Ross forcing Philbin to fire Sherman, Lazor and his offensive system would not be in Miami at this time and Sherman would still be the Dolphins OC. While I have no problem with Philbin remaining if this team gets to 10 wins or makes the playoffs with a 9-7 record, there is absolutely no way he is the second best head coach in the NFL. I would put him more in the mid 20's as far as his ranking of all the head coaches now in the NFL. I absolutely would take Harbaugh over Philbin any day of the week as an NFL head coach.
I appreciate that Philbin and his coaches let the players practice and those that deserve it, start. From everything I've read, Jelani's play was a complete surprise and it seems that they wanted someone to take the LB position away from ellerbe/wheeler. (moving Misi to MLB, rotating out wheeler). We'll never know how Ellerbe would have been this year. Perhaps if healthy the LB's would be Jenkins- Misi- Ellerbe? As for the gameplan not being aggressive. There have been several games that start off with a run for negative yards or a sack. And there have been games that the O seems to be firing on all cylinders. I don't know how to attribute that to coaching. It seems that the Offense likes to play with rhythm, if they are thrown off they play disjuncted for a bit. The Defense doesn't help when allowing 7 min drives in the 1st Q. Strange as it seems, Miami's problems look to be attributed to the Defense this year. Coyle may be the problem?
If you can't figure that part out, then that's on you. Compare Nick Saban's rosters to Joe Philbin's; simple as that. If you want to throw out Nick Saban's tenure, fine. Tony Sparano and Dave Wannstedt still achieved better seasons than Joe Philbin has. Sparano had an 11 win season with a postseason appearance. Wannstedt put together back-to-back 11 win seasons to start off his Dolphin coaching tenure. You've yet to address those seasons compared with any Joe Philbin season. And, if the idea of progress is improving by one win per season, then I think the bar is set far too low.
Tony Sparano was 25-23 after 3 seasons, and compiled an 11 win season during his tenure. Let's see if Joe Philbin can do that. Philbin may not be around long enough to match Sparano's overall record.
You're still not getting what I'm saying. I'll try again this one last time. For saying Saban is better, you ignore record and say he was better. For Wannidiot/Sparano, you use record to say they were better. That means, you understand that record isn't the end all be all of deciding who is a better coach when it comes to saban, but then you turn around and contradict that, by using record as the end all be all, to say Wannidiot/Sparano were better. As for talent level comparison's, that is absurd to say Wannidiot or Saban had worse rosters. They both inherited teams with stellar defenses, solid olines and stellar running games. Saban even brought in a Pro Bowl star QB. Sparano, had a gimmick and the easiest schedule since the undefeated season and an accomplished veteran QB. Philbin had none of that. In fact, outside of Wake & Pouncey, Philbin had no one even close to Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Pat Surtain, Ricky Williams, etc. All of the talent on this team was actually developed by Philbin and his staff. Where is the credit for developing Jones, OV, Odrick, Misi, Jenkins, etc.? Its like no matter what good is happening, you guys say it is in spite of Philbin, and everything bad is directly because of him and you base this off of......picking up gum wrappers on Hardknocks? I dunno why you guys hate him with the fiery white hot passion you guys do, but it is clouding your normally solid judgement. Has he made mistakes? Yes. Does he come off bland and emotionless? Yes absolutely. Has he been a little conservative this season? Here and there, it may have even cost us a game. Is he Cam Cameron bad? No, not even close. As for improvement/progress....I didn't invent the definition. If we finish 9-7, that is improvement. Your vaunted Sparano, didn't do that, he declined. Also, where are these coaches that are guaranteed to not only improve, but improve at some made up mythic rate.
