Odell Beckham has caught 14 balls on 26 targets for 322 yards, 2 TDs and 1 INT...when targeted 10+ yards beyond the line. That's great work. Landry has caught 3 of 9 for 40 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT. I think he needs to do better than that.
That's a good point. If one receiver is penalized by the realities of running shorter routes in yards/catch and yards/target comparisons, then the other should be penalized by the realities of running deeper routes.
But this isn't the case. The WR getting docked for the throwaway might not even have been the target of the pass. Perhaps it was a bootleg off of play action and when he turns around, it's a rusher in his face. So he gets away and tosses the ball away. WR nearest to that throwaway gets a target attributed to him, with no intention of a pass on that play. It is not a reality of running longer routes. It's just a quirk in scoring.
Throwaways? Yes, I totally agree. That has nothing to do with a WR and should not count as a target. But a target that gets screwed up because the QB is hurried or hit, or "disrupted" as Stringer said? Thats totally an integral facet of running deeper routes and should count as a target. Actual sacks? I never would've thought to attribute that to a WR, but it's an interesting idea. Maybe 'if the wide reciever was faster' or 'ran crisper routes', or whatever, has an influence on sacks that should be accountable.
Stringer is touting a stat that includes everything, including throwaways. A disrupted pass that kinda sorta gets in the vincinity, sure. What about Tipped passes?
How would a tipped pass benefit one WR over another? We are talking about guys that get more than enough targets for something like a tipped pass to adversely affect anyone's numbers. Why should their removal make things more accurate? Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
If it's just that, then there's no reason to exclude them. You're suggesting adding a layer of subjectivity to remove randomness. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
Adding one layer of subjectivity to remove another layer of subjectivity that has nothing to do with the individual performance of the WR. Which is to find the nearest WR who might be 20 yards away to assign a throwaway pass to.
relatively speaking, rookie year, I think he's displayed more Ceiling than those two..I know I wouldn't trade one Jarvis Landry for both of them.
In what way has he shown a higher ceiling than those two? He's shown virtually nothing beyond 10 yards up the field. That's not an insult, that's a simple factual observation.
No its not. If there is pressure the QB should be checking the ball down. It has nothing to do with the WR.
Semantics. Here are the best rookie WRs in order, factoring in the surroundings aswell. Mike Evans Sammy Watkins Odell Beckham Martavis Bryant Alan Robinson Brandon Cooks Jarvis Landry Alex Hurns
Those are all great WRs.. I like Landry but alot of that is his football personality. I have zero question he's gonna work harder then anyone. Because that's just him. We've heard from multiple players and coaches how much of an impact he has just in the energy and drive he's bringing to the team. Maybe that doesn't mean much to some.. But its a quality I value quite a bit. Cant measure it on a stat sheet.. But its there.. And it's undeniable
are you saying that jarvis landry has shown you no more overall potential and dynamics than doug baldwin and davone bess?
I know that some people denigrate slot receivers, but I don't. A guy who catches around 80% of the passes thrown to him for an average gain of around 10 yds is fine with me. Low risk and it moves the chains consistently. Landry has shown toughness over the middle and turns it upfield and gets pretty good RAC. Whether he's another Wes Welker or not, he does have the look of a guy who should be very productive for a long time. I wouldn't necessarily want an entire WR corps of that type of guy, but I'm happy to have one or two. Just not that worried or bothered by the things he doesn't do yet and won't be all that bothered if he never does them as long as he does what he does well.
Come on.. Thats crazy talk saying you see same potential as a Devonne Bess or Doug Baldwin.. but I have never seen someone convince CK of something he's got his mind set on so... Just have to agree to disagree
I'm starting to think Odell Beckham may be the most talented WR in this class. Sammy, Kelvin and Mike are impressive, but they walked into number one roles. I'd put them ahead of Landry at the moment, ignoring his Special Teams contributions. Honestly, I think I would take Landry over Cooks at this point (and Lee, for that matter). I think we got the best possession reciever in the draft. And I still believe we needed a possession this offseason more than a down-the-field threat. I must like Rishard Matthews more than most, because I'd be happy sending him on those routes, but for whatever reason we aren't. Landry has head and shoulders more potential than Bess, lol. Gosh, it's so refreshing to see him catch the ball and not immediately juke himself two yards backwards in an attempt to create more yards. Davone didn't have the ability to make everybody miss like Jarvis. And the stats? I have fond memories of Davone, especially as a undrafted rookie, but Jarvis has already almost equalled his rookie stats, ten games in: Bess 54/554 1td 29 first downs Landry 42/400 3td 25 firsts Landry's projected stats already even compare to Davone's career-best numbers in 2010: Bess 79/820 5td 43 firsts Landry 67/640 5td 40 firsts (Not to mention, 14 should have a career longer than six years.)
For your reference, eleven weeks in: Player (Drafted) - Receptions/Targets - Yards - TD - YAC - First Downs Sammy Watkins (1:4) 45/84 649 5 219 34 Mike Evans (1:7) 46/72 794 7 94 30 Odell Beckham (1:12) 31/50 463 3 112 24 Brandin Cooks (1:20) 53/70 550 3 160 25 Kelvin Benjamin (1:25) 52/98 768 8 93 35 Marqise Lee (2:39) 12/24 141 0 49 9 Jordan Matthews (2:42) 44/71 558 6 239 31 Paul Richardson (2:45) 13/20 96 0 14 5 Davante Adams (2:53) 27/39 286 3 115 17 Cody Latimer (2:56) 1/1 9 0 12 0 Allen Robinson (2:61) 48/81 548 2 160 26 Jarvis Landry (2:63) 42/54 400 3 257 25 Josh Huff (3:86) 6/14 48 0 43 3 Donte Moncrief (3:90) 17/25 218 1 112 8 John Brown (3:91) 34/66 468 5 133 20 Jalen Saunders (4:104) ZERO Bruce Ellington (4/106) 5/5 51 0 37 3 Shaq Evans (4:115) ZILCH Montavis Bryant (4:118) 16/30 321 6 55 9 Kevin Norwood (4:123) 4/4 36 0 13 2 Ryan Grant (5:142) 5/10 57 0 18 0 Devin Street (5:146) 2/5 18 0 5 1 Jared Abbrederis NADA Robert Herron (6:185) 6/10 58 1 27 3 TJ Jones NIL Matt Hazel (6:190) NOTHING Allen Hurns (UND) 30/56 475 4 160 17 Philly Brown (UND) 12/17 160 1 22 6 Special Teams - KO/Yards/Average - Punts/Yards/Average - TD Jarvis Landry 21/655/31.2 18/143/7.9 0 Bruce Ellington 14/375/23.4 19/161/8.5 0 Philly Brown 12/273/22.8 16/153/9.6 1 Paul Richardson 7/189/27 ZERO 0 Odell Beckham ZERO 7/56/8 0 Brandin Cooks 1/12/12 10/35/3.5 0 Jalen Saunders ZERO 6/26/4.3 0 Cody Latimer 1/8/8 ZERO 0 (Stats via ESPN)
I'm telling ya, if you closely watch the Odell Beckham play from start to finish, the one where he catches deep down the sideline, and really watch him on the play throughout, your going to walk away and have to close your mouth..watch him measure that thing.watch him locate, watch his stride as the ball is in flight, watch him time the jump, etc, then watch his swag as he looks into the camera...that's a bad bad boy. Jarvis is ours, and while he can't do what Odell can do on that play, he can do other things that others can't.things that are becoming increasingly more difficult to measure.
Odell saw Victor Cruz go out for the year, and Mike Evans still has Vincent Jackson on the team, so I disagree with them walking into the #1 roles while Odell didn't. I'm not sold on Landry over Cooks. They are Percy Harvin'ing Cooks right now, but I think in the end he'll be much more. We'll see. I do see him as having much higher ceiling than Bess. Remember when some on this forum were saying Welker = Bess? Yeah those are homer glasses.
It may be one of the best drafts in NFL history period. A lot of good tackles/o-line. A ton of good receivers. Some really good linebackers. Some pretty good d-linemen. Some decent looking TEs. The only question mark is QB and I believe at least two or three of them will become quality starters at the very least.
It could end up being, but it is way to early to say that and "EASILY" is going way too far. The 1996 WR draft was pretty special: Keyshawn Johnson -- Multi-Pro Bowler -- 10,000+ yards Terry Glenn -- Pro Bowler --8800+ yards Marvin Harrison -- Multi-Pro Bowler --14500+ yards Eric Moulds -- Multi-Pro Bowler -- 9995 yards Amani Toomer -- 9497 yards Muhsin Muhammad -- Multi-Pro Bowler -- 11438 yds Bobby Engram - 7751 yds Terrell Owens -- Multi-Pro Bowler --15934 yds Joe Horn -- Multi-Pro Bowler -- 8744 yds That's a hell of a group. Not at all sure the 2014 group will surpass it.
That was unreal. Un-freaking-real. This kid is awesome. Landry for us, Beckham here tonight, Evans roasted some poor DB at the LOS for a nice TD today too. What a class!