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11-5 OR bust

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Nov 7, 2014.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Thats hilarious Homer.And did you just call me stupid homer?
    Now now I don't want to have to report you to mods now do i?
     
  2. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This is my point, how did I call you stupid when I clearly pointed out that you have something stupid and its showing? So now your homework for the day includes learning the concept of "progress" and cracking open an English book and grasping the notion of possessive pronouns.
     
  3. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to see wins. I was only 4 yrs old when Miami won the super-bowls in the 70's. My dad tells me that I wore an early jersey all the time and would run around and say touchdown with a big smile.

    Since - the slow gradual beat down of this fan base has been really sad to watch. I think those superbowl wins carried themselves well into the late 80's and then started to fizzle. The arrival of Dan Marino picked that up and we were again off until really Marino retired.

    This team has never been the same since and the expectation level or standard has now been set at 8-8. WTF Joe Robbie is rolling over in his grave
     
  4. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I was 6 when we went undefeated and your right these people have no clue whats it like to root for a great team.
    No clue at all.One guy is so clueless he is asking me to open english book.
    I haven't sunk to level of these clueless people but I guess I am not far off with only asking for a wildcard game.
    The goal should be division title and off to the superbowl.I don't remember what that feels like.
     
  5. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I don't think anyone is stating that this team hasn't shown progress. Unfortunately progress only gets you so far when the goal is to win enough games to make the playoffs each year.

    I think the assumption of many is that because this team has shown progress in some areas this year, even if they don't make the playoffs this year, they will make the playoffs next year.

    Unfortunately in the NFL, how a team plays one year seldom equates to how they will play the next year, unless your team is the Patriots.

    Perhaps if the Dolphins don't make the playoffs this season, they will improve enough next year to do so. Yet I am sure the fans in Buffalo, Cleveland, and several other teams in the AFC where their fans have seen improvement by their teams this year, also think that next year will be the year their team will finally make it to the playoffs.

    With free agency, a teams roster can be greatly impacted by the players they lose in free agency or who they sign in free agency. The impact of the teams draft picks can also alter how a team improves in any given year.

    Progress by individual players on the team is obviously important, but in the NFL, the only teams which actually matter in the end are those teams who make the playoffs. Because making the playoffs and having a chance to get into and win the SB is the only reason the regular season is played to begin with.

    It may be nice to look ahead and speculate that the Dolphins may become a permanent fixture in the playoffs in coming years. We really have no way of knowing if that will truly happen or not. So right now the only thing we can judge this team on is how they finish up over the next 5 weeks.

    I have stated that I would have no problem with Philbin remaining the head coach if the Dolphins finish 10-6, even if that isn't enough to make the playoff. This would certainly show enough improvement in the team and his coaching ability to earn him more time as the Dolphins HC, IMO.

    So while I do look at the teams improvement in my assessment of the coaching staff and the players on the roster. As a team, I continue to see any season in which the Dolphins fail to make the playoffs as a failed season. No matter what the improvements may have been by individual players or the coaching staff during the regular season.

    That may not seem realistic to you, but to me it has always been about getting into the playoffs and having a chance to win it all in the SB. All the teams which fail to get into the playoffs are basically in the same situation. That being the old standby, "wait til next year". As Dolphin fans, waiting until next year has grown tiresome and that is why the Dolphins making the playoffs this season is so important. Because no one really knows what the future holds for this team or any other team in the NFL.
     
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  6. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I think they can definitely win a game or two. I been around this forum for 6+ years so I am aware of the who's who and if your not in the "click" as I call it. It is easy to hide behind a keyboard. I don't name call, or belittle someone because they don't share my opinion. There are many here that do. Sad really because this place was started because of that very thing.

    I also think Philbin has done a ok job. Scale 1-10 - i'd give him a 6. What I question is does he have the winning mentality to not settle for mediocrity and does the fan base have the balls to push the owner and coach to produce a super-bowl. Based on what I read, not so sure. Based on my observations of Philbin, he seems to be conservative which has been highlighted by different coaching calls in different games. One that expressly comes to mind is the kneel down with a minute plus on the clock at the half instead of trying to score.
     
  7. Fin D

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    Except, pumpdogs did absolutely crap all over the idea of progress with this post, which is what I responded to:

    This season and the level of play by the team does not exist in a vacuum. Many are only counting progress by the W-L column and ignoring the individual progress of the players.

    Regardless, we are allowed to be the fans we want to be without chuckleheads telling us we're delusional or flawed like pump did.
     
  8. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    The record brigade wanted Sherman fired and a new OC. Now it took half the season for the new OC to get some things done, the record is not there, and the record brigade wants everyone fired but the OC. WTF. Add to that that this franchise was weighed down by horrible management and personnel moves and drafts for decades, and we only really have 1 year of moving in the right direction a little bit. We are a team that is Jacksonville 2.0 as far as front office historically, barren and bereft of top talent. That's why anyone who uses record at this point as a measuring or evaluation stick is an idiot.
     
  9. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I have been really impressed with Tannehill's progress this year and was pretty vocal on here when I saw that he was being coached by Turner who had absolutely no experience as a QB coach. I basically was brushed off and ridiculed on this board because Philbin surrounded himself with a bunch of coaches with little to no exp and I was expecting to move forward not stay stagnate. And Stagnate we stayed. So I stopped coming here. Now most of those people who slung names and ridiculed me because of my opinion are seeing what Tannehill is actually capable of now that Lazor and Marino are in the picture. Kid is a different QB and the team is a different team. People can say what they want but the stagnation - that's on Philbin.

    Weather we make enough of an improvement for Ross to keep Philbin is debatable and we really won't know for several more games. My guess is Philbin gets a extension, because Ross will not admit he made a mistake. I am not saying he made a mistake because we really can't determine that yet. But in the event it is on the fence - Philbin gets extended

    I think the Tell all was seen this week and we have now been exposed. Our defense is still the same defense and the players that Hicky brought in maybe are not all them seem to be. We still lack depth. I know it's fixable but it seems like the first 2 years were a waste. Now that Lazor and Coyle have been brought in we are starting to see mild improvement. I have not formed an opinion as to if that is because of Philbin or in spite of. What I mean is Lazor brought a different offense and i believe we are still playing the same Defense.
     
  10. jw3102

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    I certainly don't want to respond for pumpdogs. He is very capable of doing that himself.

    I know my view the season would be a failure if the Dolphins don't make the playoffs may not mesh with your thinking. Like you, I have seen improvement in the team this year, but we don't know at this time if that improvement will be enough to get the Dolphins into the playoffs.

    While I appreciate the improvement of Tannehill and several of the other players on the team. I just happen to believe that making the playoffs is the only reason they play the regular season.

    This team still has a good chance of having a successful season by getting into the playoffs and if they do, the improved play of the team will be the reason. If they don't make the playoffs, that won't mean there wasn't improvement by some of the players and coaches, but it will also mean that the team failed to achieve the most important goal every team has at the start of every season. That is making the playoffs and having a chance to compete in and win the Super Bowl.
     
  11. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    The team has definitely improved this year. In order for that to happen there has to be individual progress as well. IMO that individual with the most is Ryan Tannehill
     
  12. jw3102

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    Just in the past few years it took the Eagles, Chiefs, 49er's, and Colts only one off season to go from a losing franchise to the playoffs under a new head coach. Yet after 2 years and 11 games under Philbin, you basically want fans of the Dolphins to stay with the status quo if this team fails to make the playoffs in Philbin's third year at the helm.

    I'm willing to accept the status quo if the team gets to 10-6 and doesn't make the playoffs. Anything less than that and I just feel Ross should bring in a new head coach next year because it was proved already by the teams I listed above, with the right head coach, a team can go from mediocre or worse to a playoffs team in just one off season.
     
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  13. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Understanding this one concept is critical to this team again becoming a perennial powerhouse
     
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  14. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Fin d are you still upset?The only progress that matters is if we make to post season if not all the progress by these individuals will be in vain.You don't agree so move on to the next post.
     
  15. TooGoodForDez

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    No that is absolutely incorrect.
     
  16. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    If we go 10-6 then yea I am dissapointed and to me another failed year but I would have no problem keeping the coaching staff for 1 more year.9-7 is a grey area for me but 8-8 or worse then everybody has to go.
     
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  17. pumpdogs

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    I will admitt I was one of tannehills biggest detractors but the kid is really playing well and if not for the defence coming up small in the 4thq we would have the inside track on the wildcard and a shot at the division.
    The one thing that would give me pause if we fire philbin is losing lazor.
     
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  18. pmj

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    Playoffs to me is not alone the only measure of success for a season. For one, making the playoffs can mean drastically different things in different years, or divisions. As we saw in 2008, making the playoffs simply by having a cupcake schedule and a nfl record for fewest turnovers didn't translate to long term success. And this year we will likely see a losing team in the NFC be a division winner.

    To me I wanted a winning record, and figuring out if Tannehill is the guy. My rough stats for him as a goal was 30 tds, 2-1 td/int ratio, 65% comp, and not curling into the fetal position vs the pass rush. He is on track to do that. My reasoning is that if continues on that track and grows, we will be in contention every year. I always thought this years schedule looked pretty tough, and unfortunately we really needed to win one of GB/Det/Den, now we basically can't drop any game outside of NE maybe.

    Sorry I don't have the expectation we will go to the SB every year. I don't think that is realistic unless you have a top 3 QB. I would be more than happy with a top ten guy that u have a chance with. Also, I don't see how having changing QBs and coaches every year will result in getting to a Super Bowl any faster. In fact, I think it would do the opposite; we'd be back on the carousel of QBs and coaches that rip and replace everything every 2-3 years.
     
  19. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    The crazy part of this pizzaro season is tanny might throw 30 tds our def could be top 5 and rushing attack top 10 but despite all this we still might not make playoffs.
     
  20. pumpdogs

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    Question for jw3102 and 2 socks.Do you think we make playoffs?
     
  21. djphinfan

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    The last five games and the match ups involved, and the circumstances presented to us, give us ample amount of information to determine whether we're going in the right direction and on the upswing..

    At this point and time when it comes to where our team has come in this third year, our team should not lose to the jets on Monday or at home, we should not lose to the Vikings at home, and I think in a big game against the Ravens, at home, that that game will show us whether we have taken the next level jump, whether we have the coaches who can get us there, or whether we're in stagnate mode..if we can't win the four out of five, then no matter some of the individual improvements, the team as a whole will have failed on the season.
     
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  22. jw3102

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    I have stated several times on this forum recently that I believe the Dolphins will lose to the Patriots and will probably go 3-1 against the Jets, Ravens, and Vikings.

    So right now I see them finishing the season 9-7 and I don't think that will be good enough for them to make the playoffs this year.

    That is also why I think Philbin should be given the opportunity to return as the head coach next year if the Dolphins do finish 10-6 and still don't make the playoffs.

    To beat the Jets twice, along with the Ravens and the Vikings will at least show that this team is able to play at a high level in the final weeks of the season. That is something they have failed to do during the first two years of Philbin's tenure with the Dolphins.

    As far the game against the Patriots. Right now I think the Patriots are probably the best team in the NFL, along with the Packers. While I realize the Dolphins have won their last two games against the Patriots, both those wins were in Miami. Of course it is possible the Dolphins could go up to New England and win, but I just don't see it happening at this time. Then again, Brady could go down with a season ending injury before they meet and that would certainly change my thoughts on that game.
     
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  23. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I think the jets have packed it in.The coach is deadman walking and we have no excuse losing to this team.
    The vikes offence will make our defence look like worldbeaters though i do think thier pass rush might give us some problems.
    The ravens have had our number the last few years but i think we exploit thier pass defence at home.l don't even want to mention the pats.
    I have us going 4-1 but still missing playoffs.
     
  24. djphinfan

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    indeed but it would point to some earlier poor coaching decisions that imo lost games.
     
  25. pumpdogs

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    That and the defence ****ting the bed.
     
  26. djphinfan

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    I think thats where it gets gray..

    packers..made the huge sack fumble play on third down to put them in a long 4th and 14..crowd at their apex..philbin calls time..one of the worst decisions I've seen in coaching at home.

    lions..Defense stopped the lions on a three and out giving the ball back to our offense with a lead and h four minute offense awaiting to be executed..

    in both cases I feel like the defense did enough to not say that they just sh$# the bed.

    that four minute offense turned into a 3 and out..

    that timeout at the worst time turned into a long fourth down conversion..
     
  27. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    You our right with deer in the headlights philbin but its still 4-14 make a stop.The lions havent't scored a touchdown since beating us so come on make a stop when we need it.
    Denver game wtf 3-20 before the half make a stop.Not to mention the 4 quarter.If they make one stop we are 7-4 and have a great shot to make it.
    But no I am not going to argue about some of philbins calls.
     
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  28. KeyFin

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    Maybe you'd better read the title of this thread, the comment I responded to, and the number of times the OP went off on others for supporting this team.
     
  29. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    First of all i was attacked on firs page by mister honda then u jumped in .How about u mind ur own buisness.The internet bully **** by all the so called positive posters gets old.
    We have a little gang on this this likes to get together and gang up on posters they dont like.And you know who you are.One of them got a taste of his own medicine and didn't like
    It.
     
  30. Fin D

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    First of all, Honda didn't attack you. He made a post in good fun, hence the winking smiley and you swung back at him like a child. Second, you've been attacking all the "positive" posters. Lastly, you accused me of being upset, but you're the one still crying like a baby.

    We get it, you think the team sucks until they make the playoffs. The world is black and white with you. There's no such thing as progress or transition or process in your world. Which is great. Enjoy being that way, i hope it makes you happy. However, grasp the simple concept some of us aren't that limited in our world view and that doesn't make us positive or homers....it just means we're realists and possess at least the minimum aptitude for semi complex thought.
     
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  31. pumpdogs

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    Hi fin d happy thanksgiving pal.
     
  32. Fin D

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    Funny.

    You going to deny that Piston was just playing around and you overreacted?
    You going to deny that you've been the one on the offensive and not the "positive" posters?
    You going to deny that you believe you're the only allowed to complain?
     
  33. finwin

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    11-5 would prove what the Stats say about us being a dominant team. I don't think the low YPA the only stat we're not dominating in, and that will probably go up by the end of the season, should stop us from being 11-5. I think 10-6 and we're in there with the fringe playoff teams like Cleveland and Cinci and we're better than them. We know we're as good or better than "elite" teams by how we played them this year and now it's just up to the team to want to prove it in the next 5 games.

    San Diego @ Baltimore Baltimore will win

    Cleveland @ Buffalo Buffalo will win
    Washington @ Indianapolis Indy W
    New Orleans @ Pittsburgh NO W
    New England @ Green Bay NE W
    Denver @ Kansas City KC W
     
  34. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Are you still upset from yesterday? If so I am very sorry.Try to forget about me and enjoy your turkey day.
     
  35. Piston Honda

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    I apologize if you feel I was attacking you. I'm not a soft spoken guy, nor am I sensitive, I dish it out and take it, both with a smile. Enjoy your holiday, best wishes to your family and all that good stuff.
     
  36. pumpdogs

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    Its cool dude.I have been atacked for years on this site and I am quick to fire back.If that was not ur intention im sorry for striking back.
    Peace out and dont eat to much.
     
  37. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    If we get to 10 wins but don't make the playoffs I can see the argument for progress and to keep everything intact.
    But another 9-7 or worse season...and we are just spinning our tires.
     
  38. pumpdogs

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    Yea could go either way but im leaning toward 4-1.If we lose to the god awful jets im done.
     
  39. Jt0323

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    15-5 or bust
     
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  40. djphinfan

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    Why do you feel your being attacked?
     

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