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2015 Dolphins Off-season Needs

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Disgustipate, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. ajaffe9

    ajaffe9 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you think Delmas has been that big of a liability? I feel like there is much more need for a starter at OG, big back to pair with Miller, and a replacement for Hartline. Agreed that we do need better safety depth. Can't depend on Delmas staying healthy.
     
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  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'll take it one step further.

    01. Starting Corner opposite Grimes - Chris Harris Jr., Free Agent (Denver Broncos)
    02. Starting Free Safety - Stevie Brown, Free Agent (New York Giants)
    03. Dynamic Running Back - Ameer Abdullah, 2nd Round Draft (Nebraska)
    04. Replacement for Hartline - Kevin White, 1st Round Draft (West Virginia)
    05. Competition at Right Guard - Marcus Cannon, Free Agent (New England Patriots)
    06. Developmental Tight End - C.J. Uzomah, 5th Round Draft (Auburn)
    07. Developmental Defensive Tackle - Xavier Cooper, 3rd Round Draft (Washington State)
    08. Developmental Wide Receiver - Antwan Goodley, 4th Round Draft (Baylor)
    09. Developmental Corner - Demetrious Nicholson, 6th Round Draft (Virginia)
    10. Depth Tackle - Ben Ijalana, Free Agent (Indianapolis Colts)
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    At free safety you could always go with Kurt Coleman as well.
     
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  4. Fin4Ever

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    I just hope that we draft a.true #1 or #2 receiver. We do not need any additional slot receivers as we are loaded with them. We have to replace Hartline and eventually wallace unless wallace willingly would move to the slot as well.
     
  5. Alex44

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    Replace #2 with Duke Johnson and I'm all over this entire post. Woulfnt be mad with that kid either...they are somewhat similar in stature/ability
     
  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The reason I go with Ameer Abdullah is because of how incredibly well-rounded he is. He can do anything you want. He runs zone well. He runs behind blockers (power) just as well. He catches the football beautifully. I believe he blocks well. The comparison I love is Ahmad Bradshaw.

    That said there will be teams a little scared to take smaller players at the position and I can't blame them. There are people that would rather pick a David Johnson or someone like that...and I can see why you'd want to steer that direction.
     
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  7. RoninFin4

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    Any thoughts on Anthony Johnson? I know he played some very limited snaps early this season while Jordan was suspended and he's been inactive ever since. Any sense on if he could be the developmental DT? Too much of a risk given his behavior at LSU? Hedging your bets anyway and still drafting or signing someone? Just curious.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    Never been that big of a fan really.
     
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  9. Deerless Dice

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    Who do you think Miami's big FA splash will be?, Do you see them going after Devin McCourty (checks boxes on veteran, corner/safety hybrid) or if a guy can dream, Ndamukong Suh? I'd have to imagine they'd continue on the path of home grown offensive talent at the skill positions.
     
  10. ckparrothead

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    I think it could be a veteran corner to replace Finnegan, or a veteran safety to replace Delmas.

    Don't know which but for corner I've been bringing up Chris Harris Jr of the Denver Broncos a lot. Could be a good fit.
     
  11. Deerless Dice

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    isn't Harris Jr a slot corner? I would think that Michael Thomas and Walt Aikens would be taking those snaps at nickel next year.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Chris Harris is an everything corner. He plays both the slot and the outside.
     
  13. isaacjunk

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    I have to say---in the debate of whether or not our team is getting better or staying the same---that this list of needs looks like the shortest / most manageable list I've seen in a decade or so. Seems fixable with a single good offseason with our cap situation. What I wouldn't give to have a look inside Lazor's head---does he know how big a need a replacement for Wallace is?
     
  14. vt_dolfan

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    You had me at Kevin White..
     
  15. vt_dolfan

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    God. Just saw a CBS mock draft that had us taking Melvin Gordon in first round. I would love to get Melvin Gordon.
     
  16. vt_dolfan

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    ck. Was looking for any breakdown you've had of Melvin Gordon and can't find it.. Did you do one?
     
  17. ckparrothead

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    I've never written a breakdown of him but I've been very high on him for over a year. I first looked at him last year and thought he'd have been the top RB in last year's draft and probably the only one worthy of a 1st round pick. The same is likely true again this year, because of Gurley's knee injury.
     
  18. ajaffe9

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    Do you think it's worth it to spend a first on a Melvin Gordon type? I feel like we've seen so many late round/UDFA picks become succesful RBs in the league. If we do shore up the OL in free agency, it would be fun to spend some early picks on skill players though.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    If you think you have the right system, the right blockers and the right coaching in order to have an explosive and dominant ground game, you could do a LOT worse than grabbing yourself a game-changing tailback like him.

    Think of how quickly Chip Kelly was able to turn around the Philadelphia Eagles. A lot of that was because he had LeSean McCoy. It was one of those things where the right back met the right system and the right blockers, and fireworks were the result. They were winning when Vick was at QB, they were winning with Foles at QB (and he obviously regressed) and now they're winning with Mark Sanchez at QB.

    Obviously I still have work to do on Gordon but yes I believe that could very well be worth it.
     
  20. vt_dolfan

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    Actually I was doing some reading on Melvin Gordon today.. And there it was staring at me in the face.

    They said Melvin Gordon is Perfect for the zone system. Patient and then explodes through the hole.


    Skill-Set Summary: There is no doubt that Gordon is one of fastest play-makers in college football. He has a tremendous first step with a second gear to pull away from defenders. His speed is so fantastic, he can take away angles that defenders have on him. If Gordon finds a lane, he is a "one cut and going the distance"-type running back.

    Not only is Gordon fast, but he has good size to him. Gordon has the strength to run through arm tackles and picks up yards after contact. He can run over some defensive backs and finishes his runs well. Gordon is a smart, natural and patient runner. He does a nice job of waiting to set up his blocks before hitting the afterburner to jet away from the defense.

    As a pass-blocker and receiver, Gordon is unknown. The Badgers typically used James White in passing situations in 2013. However with White in the NFL, Gordon should take over the three-down duties. If Gordon can prove to be a good blocker and receiver, that could help propel his draft stock higher.

    Gordon is said to be up to 215 pounds this offseason with that increase being more muscle. Hopefully, he can maintain his great speed at the heavier weight. With his size, Gordon could be the closest thing to Chris Johnson to enter the NFL since Johnson was a first-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. Some have compared Gordon to Eric Dickerson.
     
  21. vt_dolfan

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    Bucky Brooks wrote this:
    As an inside runner, Gordon displays the instincts, vision and agility to find creases on the backside while also exhibiting the power to run through blockers at the point of attack. In fact, I was surprised at Gordon's improvement as an inside runner from a season ago; it is one of the reasons why I believe he can succeed at the next level in a zone-based system that allows him to run on railroad tracks to the point of attack. Gordon's speed, burst and eye discipline will help him consistently post positive gains, which is critical to success as a pro.
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    I think Melvin Gordon is just gifted enough to do whatever you want. I don't think he's particularly this or that.
     
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  23. ajaffe9

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    I would have no problem with picking Melvin Gordon in the first. I think a pairing of him and Miller would make for a great running game.

    Granted it's still a little early in the process, but of the three position groups (CB, RB, WR) which do you think has the most depth? Trying to figure out which position, I would rather take early and which to wait for value.
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    ....and the other important thing to add to your list is- IMO teams should only invest 1st rounders in a back if they're a contender or are on the cusp of contending. Otherwise I tend to think it's a waste. I think Miami is at the right time to add a guy like Gordon to take the offense to another level, especially after the investment made in the O line last year, the system we're now running, and the success we're having with it. With a back like Gordon available or a WR like White, I'd rather address a defensive priority in FA to free up round 1 for Gordon or White, as opposed to last year where we left right tackle open for the draft.
     
  25. RoninFin4

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    Agreed Todd. Right now I think my favorite scenario would be Gordon in the 1st and someone like Nelson Agholor in the 2nd if he's still there.
     
  26. TooGoodForDez

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    With Delmas on 1 year, Wilson sucking arse for another year, Thomas on IR, safety is a big need. Even Reshad is up and down, especially in coverage.

    I like Clayton Geathers from UCF. Good pop, closing, size, coverage skills, and provides some impact as well, which the brass likes considering they kept Wilson over Clemons. He is ranked 295 but I have to believe he'll climb.

    [video=youtube;V5ymXR7MMjk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5ymXR7MMjk[/video]
     
  27. Alex44

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    I'd crap myself if we landed Gordon. We could be an elite offense with that type of back on a rookie contract for Tannehill as he moves into his second contract. Any elite skill players we can land at a low price are extremely valuable.
     
  28. Fin4Ever

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    So true Alex....adding more offensive weapons early and then going D and OL will help us the most in my opinion. Wow, a backfield of Gordon, Miller, and Williams would be incredible..Also adding a tall, strong, fast WR #2 and a TE would all help our D stay off the field more..another OG, S, CB, and LB to top it all off...come on Hickey you can do it....also a young talented QB like Cato would be nice to back up Tanny and for competition. .he fits our offense perfectly.
     
  29. TooGoodForDez

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    I'd keep DT and Williams, and replace MIller with Gordon. Miller's problem has been vision, making the right cuts, in the second level. Plus Gordon has a gear over Miller.

    DT has been a great back for us in the past two seasons, and Williams seems to be developing too. Miller is also excellent, but for a primary back he leaves yards in the second level.

    Right now, Miller is excellent as a speed and one cut back, with the exception of running decisively in the second level for big plays. DT and Williams provide tough yards, and DT is excellent in goal line formations. DT is also the best blocker of the bunch.

    We really do not have a short-yardage back. Even tho DT is excellent in goal line situations, he is not good in short yardage.
     
  30. Fin4Ever

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    That is why I am hoping we can pick up another running back late in draft..I particularly like Devon Johnson from Marshall. Big strong back who is a really good runner in his own right and pretty fast for a big guy. He is 6'1" 245 lbs.Runs in the 4.5's and is a former TE...He may come out early. CK did a nice review and write up on him.
     
  31. TooGoodForDez

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    I'll look it up. I'm good with our RBs.

    I think Miller's running conservative because in the Bengals game last year (I think, it may have been the Saints), he had the ball stripped at the 5 yd line on his way to a TD. And this year in the season opener he had it stripped again. It's noticeable he wants to secure the ball in the second level and does not fight the defenders for yards. That's the next stage in his progression.
     
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  32. Fin4Ever

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    I agree with that as well..he has shown real good improvement this year and if he can find that second gear again like at UM then he will start breaking some long runs for td's. That is another reason we need a big and fast #2 WR is too also be able to block down field for Miller..and maybe Gordon?
     
  33. djphinfan

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    good points, I also think by adding a dynamic offensive player thru the draft that can compliment tannehill is important as it pertains to the cap, were not buying a an expensive weapon, rookie contracts are easy on the cap, stud running backs are immediate contributors...good draft.
     
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  34. TooGoodForDez

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    We made a good move last year by replacing #14 Marlon Moore with #14 Landry. In other words, we did not get rid of Gibson or Matthews to make room for Landry. That's smart decision making.

    I like Gibson a little better than Matthews just because Matthews is so frustrating. If he was entering the draft this year, I'd be excited about him because he has everything, speed, size, hands, toughness--he's the protoype for our offense. Yet, we get nothing extra out of him on gamedays. I don't know what the deal is with him and why he has not developed into a dominant receiver.
    Gibson is steady, he is more similar to Landry than Matthews.

    Hartline sucked last year to end the season. He was one of the primary reasons the offense stalled in the last two games. For one, he was a no show against the Bills in week 16, and got hurt in week 17. For two, he was the number #2, the blanket, the leader, the weapon offense relied on, and that failed. Because he proved unreliable from those two standpoints, the offense is more diversified this year and he is no longer the main part of offense. That was a good coaching decision as well going into this season. Imo at his salary, he is expendable, he has run his course with this offense.
     
  35. Fin4Ever

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    I would hate to see Matthews go Dez, simply because I believe that it is Coach that is holding him back because he does not work hard enough in practice... I think that was the story that came out, but sometimes one can cut their nose off to spite their face. I think playing Matthew on most snaps as the #2 would really bring his talent out and help us tremendously...That Is my 2 cents about that lol
     
  36. TooGoodForDez

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    If I had to rank effort from our receivers, I'd go:

    1. Landry
    2. Wallace
    3. Hartline
    4. Gibson
    5. Matthews

    Matthews needs to step it up, it has to come from him on gamedays and probably practice as well.
     
  37. TooGoodForDez

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    Sammie Coates wow. Will he even make it to where we pick?
     
  38. Fin4Ever

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    Yeah right? I said how awesome he looked last night in a thread...CK has been talking about how good Coates was looking before last night. Also I watched Az - Az.St. yesterday and Jalen Strong...WOW at some of the catches he made.
     
  39. TooGoodForDez

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    I watched him twice, in big games, last night and in the NCG last year. He is a beast, generational player.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    I could see that argument. Personally I tend to think that pegging your success is so hard to do that you should generally have the same decision-making one year to the next.

    Either way I think Gordon could be worth it.

    Of course then there's Sammie Coates.
     

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