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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by RoninFin4, Dec 2, 2014.

  1. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's late and I have to be up early for a meeting, so just straight to it tonight with "Decent", "Bad" and "Inept". There wasn't much good at all other than the final score. Be honest with yourself. I don't mean to be cryptic, just reporting my notes.

    Decent
    - I suppose first and foremost, I'd point out the resiliency of the team, especially the defense. Nothing went right in that first half, and I think looking back to just last year, this team would have folded (see Buffalo and New York weeks 16 and 17). Miami didn't fold and won a "Shrek" game. I give them credit because in football there's just absolutely no worse feeling than getting the ball run down your throat and you can't stop it.
    - Ryan Tannehill, when he had time, was pretty good and now has 5 straight games of 70%+ completion percentage. He hit some intermediate throws and put a nice ball out to Mike Wallace who promptly (as expected) dropped it. I think this team goes as fa as he carries it this year. The O-line has crumbled. The run defense is non-existent at this point, and the best offensive player is a rookie slot receiver. It's a shame because I think he could be doing so much more if his pass-pro wasn't starting to resemble 2013 again.
    - Jelani Jenkins was about the only player on the defense that looked competent in the first half. He's also about the only front seven player who made an open-field tackle tonight.
    - Reshad Jones was probably about the only player I'd guess who may come away with a positive PFF grade. He played well. Maybe Grimes as well, but he didn't see much action his way. He made some nice open-field tackles.
    - Wake and Vernon did a nice job pass-rushing. But, their attempts were very limited. Wake's play where he basically fork-lifted Jeff Cumberland out of the way, fought off the chip block and sacked Geno Smith was something out of a J.J. Watt highlight reel. Impressive. Hope there's no lingering effects from that low block.
    - Koa Misi, but blitzing-only. His open-field tackling made 2013 Philip Wheeler look good.

    Bad
    - Randy Starks is one of my favorite Dolphins. He's a pro's pro, he's surly, and a good football player. That being said, I think his best days are behind him and I'd cut bait after this season as I don't think he's got much gas left in the tank.
    - Jared Odrick...I'm not really sure what's up with him. Maybe there's something going on after that Denver play where he left the field, but he's been dismal the past two games. Where has his pass-rush gone?
    - Louis Delmas. He seems to be able to get to the ball...then he's on the ground missing a tackle. This happens a lot.
    - O-line play in general was bad. Not many holes to run through for most of the game, pass-pro was bad. Bad enough to make Dallas Thomas look noticeably decent. Samson Satele has trouble with big NT's and showed tonight. Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork up next. Woof.
    - Bill Lazor's baffling. I think his offense as a whole is sound and philosophically good. Schematically, the Dion Sims crossing the formation to block a DE needs to stop. Play-calling goes from symphonic to Sherman from drive-to-drive. He needs to be more consistent, especially in the red-zone, though that is improving. Tannehill should have been able to connect with Gibson for a TD.
    - Caleb Sturgis should not be long for this roster. 40 yards plus on a FG attempt...be honest...I don't think ANYONE trusts him to make kicks.
    - Kevin Coyle's gameplan was rubbish tonight. He adjusted in the 2nd half and Miami slowed down the Jets ground game. It's disgusting it took him that long to adjust. 277 yards rushing allowed. Honestly, if just about anyone other than Geno Smith was quarterbacking the Jets, Miami loses that game. If Joe Philbin guides this team to the playoffs and is retained, cutting bait with Kevin Coyle has to be high on the list of things to do in the offseason. No, I'm being serious. The misuse of Dion Jordan, conservative calling, poorly timed blitzes, inability to get crucial stops, poor use of personnel, etc. Someone else could do better with what Miami has to work with and make this a truly "elite" defense. Hell, I'd take Rex Ryan in a heartbeat.
    - Getting gashed like that and having a short week and having Baltimore up next sucks. They're a physical team, especially defensively, and the Dolphins team we've seen the past two games isn't going to match that. I hope something changes between now and Sunday.

    Inept
    - The fact that Daryn Colledge is still seeing the field is contemptible. He was a failed abortion at LG tonight. He's not ruining plays, he's ruining drives. DRIVES. Let that sink in. He has not been good all season, and ever since the Jacksonville game he's been a downright travesty. He IS Eric Steinbach during Hard Knocks...except, he hasn't retired and is actually playing. This disgusts me and he damn near got Tannehill crushed twice tonight. In addition to the two times he did get Tannehill crushed. IMO, this is Joe Philbin being loyal to one of his "guys". This and the fact that the staff still thinks Mike Pouncey is a RG. ****.
    - The fact that Daniel Thomas sees the field. Seriously, what does anyone on this staff see in him? Give Damien Williams his snaps, cut Thomas, and be done with it.
    - Jimmy Wilson attempting to tackle anything other than air. He might be well liked in the locker room, but I'd consider giving Cortland Finnegan his snaps at slot CB and having Taylor come in than see Jimmy Wilson on defense any more. He certainly should not be back next year unless it's solely in a special teams capacity.
    - Consistency. This team is not consistent week-to-week, half-to-half, quarter-to-quarter, drive-to-drive, or even back-to-back plays. That's on the coaching staff. If you watched the New England vs. Green Bay game, you'd see what two really damn good football teams play like. Miami's "got a long way to go", to borrow from Joe Philbin, to match that level. The scariest part of it this is, if Miami actually does get in the playoffs and plays Indianapolis or Cincinnati, I see the Dolphins winning. But, they're not consistently good enough to get further than that. The "good" is REALLY good at times. The "bad" is dumpster fire at times.

    Overall
    Miami "Shrek'd" their way to 7-5 tonight, and if the playoffs started tomorrow they'd be playing in Cincinnati. I'd be there. And I'd enjoy the Dolphins victory. Let's face it, Andy Dalton is not very good, and he's at a Ph.D level of ineptitude in the playoffs. Unfortunately for me, and everyone else, Miami still has 4 games left to play, none bigger than the one this coming Sunday. The Baltimore Ravens are coming to town. Miami let this game slip away last year and made a late run (****in' Clabo) but couldn't come back. What's that? Sturgis missed a FG to tie it at the end? Oh, memories.

    I seriously hope the Dolphins come out better than the team did tonight as this is essentially an elimination game in the AFC Playoff Picture. It really is. You can scenario the hell out of it if you like, it's your prerogative, but as a friend once told me, you can't polish a turd and that's what the scenario will be if Miami loses to the Ravens. The run defense needs to be overhauled, quickly. Hopefully the return of Cortland Finnegan and Jamar Taylor is able to keep the Ravens passing attack at bay, and hopefully Bill Lazor is able to cook something up to prevent the Ravens pass-rush, Elvis Dumervil specifically, from ruining the game.

    Good news is, the Miami Dolphins are consistently inconsistent, so we very well could see the offense that played against the Broncos and the defense that played against the Chargers play in a game together. If that happens, Miami can compete with anyone in the league. If it happens this Sunday, Miami will win and in effect, controls their own playoff destiny. Easier typed than executed, but if there's one thing I've re-learned this year it's that the NFL is crazy and that the ability to run the ball and play defense will always have a place in this league. Miami does both well, at times. Hopefully this coming Sunday is one of those times.
     
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    It was a horrible game by the Fins all-around, but a win against a division rival is always reason to celebrate...and I could care less if they are 2-12. Because these two teams have a history of going to war and this was destined to be a close game.

    With that said, I really missed the offense we saw against Denver that was 5-5 in the red zone and firing on all cylinders. While our defense did struggle early, they held their own down the stretch so I'm not panicked about that. The offensive line was night and day from last week though, and that does scare me with two extremely big games coming up. On paper, the loser of the Baltimore/Miami game is missing the playoffs entirely, so our Fins better find some answers quickly in a short week.
     
  3. TooGoodForDez

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    Delmas is our best safety. Reshad is up and down. We are stuck with Wilson. We are thin at DBs.

    Sims was a beast, must see more of him.

    I was disappointed in the run game, we didn't get to see more of DT and Williams to mix it up.

    Pouncey anchored well at C briefly.

    We need a beast #1 WR, and kicker is a frustrating fella, likely to cost us games, like last year.

    ESPN coverage was excellent providing video of RT's missed reads, and providing good coverage of Phins football in pre and post game.

    That Jets dude should be fined heftily for trying to take out Wake.
     
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  4. ABrownLamp

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    Not in Clearwater!
    someone needs to do something about this run defense. I mean, I don't even know what to think when there's 9 people in the box and everyone knows a run is coming and its an 8 yard burst. That's more than bad coaching. That's a problem with the quality of play too.
     
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    Not in Clearwater!
    And I also have to say, maybe its me, but it seems like Jon gruden really knows what he's talkng about and he really seems to like the Dolphins. Just sayin.
     
  6. mroz

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    1. I don't think the Dolphins OL is anything special but they are no where near as bad as last years OL. They gave up 17 sacks in first 8 games of the season. They have given up 11 in the last four (5 of which were in the Bills game), 6 in the Lions, Broncos and Jets games. Not exactly last years OL in the least bit.

    2. How freaking bad is Billy Turner that he can't get on the freaking field with Colledge and Smith ahead of him?

    3. I know this is probably not a popular view but I am OK with Sturgis right now. he is 17/18 from 39 yards in and 7/11 from 40 to 59 yards. Would like to see him improve on the 40+ yard FG range but I don't think his miss rate is in the lower half of the NFL (don't really know)
     
  7. Bpk

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    Thanks for posting Jon! Keep comin' back!
     
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  8. emocomputerjock

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    Jon Gruden gushes about everyone.
     
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    The best things about that game were 1) the team's clutch play in pulling out the win, and 2) the emergence of Dion Sims as a receiver, especially in the clutch. If he can make that sort of performance his norm, there should be some question whether Charles Clay should be re-signed. At that point Sims and a move tight end with better skills than Clay would be the better option.
     
  10. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just because sacks are down doesn't mean they're playing well. How many times did Ryan Tannehill get hit or have someone in his face when he tried to throw a pass? How many times, especially on 3rd downs, was Tannehill flushed because of leaky pass-pro and had to throw it away? Granted, it doesn't help to have Daniel Thomas in there pass-blocking either, but what we saw last night was not very good.

    Luckily Baltimore's secondary is REALLY banged up, so Miami might be able to get away with the same type of offensive gameplan they executed against the Bills on the Thursday Night game. Baltimore's defensive front is almost a combination of what the Jets have in size (Ngata, Williams and Canty) and pass-rush with Dumervil (12.5 sacks) and Suggs. Courtney Upshaw doesn't have the sack numbers, but he's effective from time-to-time and they draw up some creative blitzes. Based on what we saw last night, I'm very concerned with that aspect of the Ravens D come Sunday.
     
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  11. MiamiDolphin618

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    I think it has more to do with Phillibin an Co not wanting to play 2 rookie starters in addition to an inexperienced Dallas Thomas. Smith has actually played fairly well at times...Colledge shouldnt be on a roster but it is what it is. I find it hard to believe that Turner is not a better player...similar to how I thought last year it would be hard for Jenkins to not be better than Wheeler.
     
  12. TooGoodForDez

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    Colledge is dinged up. He's played well when healthy. Right now he is not. I like Smith. Our best interior line up is with Colledge, Pouncey and Smith, when all are healthy. They are all dinged up, and Pouncey fell behind in the offseason. We got issues.

    Mind you, these guys are athletic linemen, and we don't run, we make them reel back in pass pro all game.
     
  13. mroz

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    you play your best players... Colledge is fearing brutal.
     
  14. mroz

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    There are a few plays every game in the the OL breaks down. Some times more than others but to say they are as bad as last year is a ridiculous exaggeration. The OL is not what I would want it to be but they are not horrible either. There are plenty of plays in which Ryan has a nice pocket and plenty of time to throw.

    The issue that I have with the OL is that, that one mistake usually comes once a drive and it puts the Fins behind the chains enough that it is hard for them to over come it and it in essence kills the drive. We saw that 3 times last night with Colledge and Smith.
     
  15. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    BTW, my concerns right now with the Ravens is not our OL.. it is our inability to stop the run.
     
  16. Fin4Ever

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    Depending on what Clay is asking for is I think the most important issue because even though I like Clay it is quite obvious that Gator Hoskins is basically a replica of Clay but can find the endzone better if given more playing time and depending on cost could be a better Option for us. I would really like to see Anthony Johnson get some quality DT playing time because he could be the force in the middle we are missing and Odrick should be put back in rotation at DE. Also I really think Philbin is holding Billy Turner back and it has gotten ridiculously frustrating and a horrible coaching move..no Way Colledge is better than Turner..Lastly, I will say it again..bring Dustin Hopkins in to Compete with Sturgis and with Hopkins it is almost guaranteed opposition will start at 20 yard line on every possession and.the guy is incredibly accurate to 60 yards..I watched him hit 58 & 59 yard game winners his senior season..40 +yarders he makes in his sleep.
     
  17. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    You've got me sold on Dustin Hopkins. What will it take to make that happen? One thing is for sure, Sturgis has to go! I bite my nails every we line up for a field goal.
     
  18. Fin4Ever

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    I do as well Ricky..Hopkins is a free agent.. Buffalo picked him up out of college the same year we drafted Sturgis..but of course Buffalo picked up Dan Carpenter as well after we cut him and they cut Hopkins.would be a great move for us.
     
  19. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Now the only question I have is, What is Hickey's contact information? lol
     
  20. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol..I do not know but he should be able to find him pretty easily...lol..Man, I am so glad that we dodged a bullet last night and beat the jets..vt.Dolfan called all week that he was very nervous and would be a tight game..
    I on the other hand thought after we hung with Denver and scored 36 and Buffalo beat the jets 38-3 that we should win handily....boy was I ever wrong and I know better than to ever think that way when the 2 teams meet on the field..
    I sure am glad that we pulled out the victory because usually we lose this type of game.
     
  21. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    You have to ALWAYS keep in mind...it's a divisional game #1...it's against a long-time, bitter rival, where history shows record means d*ck #2...we have a VERY tough division #3...it's even ranked in the top of the league by some.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/sagarin/

    The AFC East is slowly returning to it's old slate as the toughest AFC division...even with the 2-10 Jets who ALWAYS play division games tough as hell (remember, they were a blocked FG away from beating NE at Gillette).

    You can NEVER expect a blowout in a divisional game...this is NFL 101.
     
  22. fin13

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    Don't forget they beat the steeiers 20 - 13 so I never took them for granted.
     
  23. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    CEO knows.

    Tom Garfinkel ‏@TomGarfinkel now12 seconds ago
    Congrats to @DolfansNYC You guys were in full force last night!
     
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  24. Fin4Ever

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    PhinFan1968 you are so right and deep down I know that and sometimes I let my heart get the best of me...it hopefully will not happen again. This is another reason why I do not place wagers..lol
     
  25. roy_miami

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    Good lord. Is this real life!?!?!

    Total Points Allowed for 2012, 2013, 2014 (up to 12/2/14)

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    1    Seattle Seahawks    697
    2    San Francisco 49ers    789
    3    Cincinnati Bengals    872
    4    [B]Miami Dolphins[/B]        884
    5    Arizona Cardinals    905
    6    New England Patriots    922
    7    Carolina Panthers    935
    8    Baltimore Ravens    938
    9    San Diego Chargers    947
    10    Kansas City Chiefs    954
    11    Denver Broncos        964
    12    Pittsburgh Steelers    982
    13    St. Louis Rams        997
    14    Houston Texans        1006
    15    Indianapolis Colts    1006
    16    Cleveland Browns    1019
    17    Detroit Lions        1020
    18    Green Bay Packers    1031
    19    Buffalo Bills        1040
    20    Atlanta Falcons        1041
    21    New York Giants        1046
    22    New Orleans Saints    1076
    23    New York Jets        1081
    24    Minnesota Vikings    1085
    25    Chicago Bears        1092
    26    Tampa Bay Bucs        1097
    27    Dallas Cowboys        1105
    28    Philadelphia Eagles    1111
    29    Washington Redskins    1188
    30    Tennessee Titans    1190
    31    Jacksonville Jaguars    1222
    32    Oakland Raiders        1233
    
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...eStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=false
     
  26. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know, right? But even more astonishing when you look is that we have given up 4th fewest overall
     
  27. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How many times has the defense wilted over those 3 years with leads, or not shown up in big games? Context helps.
     
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  28. resnor

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    Nope, stats say that we have given up the 4th fewest points over that span. Nothing else matters. We have an elite defense. Coyle should be given a massive pay raise.
     
  29. Alex44

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    I think PPG is a good indicator. However I prefer points per possession. Also I'm not sure if its a recorded stat, but I'd like to see the average length of a drive (in minutes) against a defense as well as their third down success rate before I call them elite or great.
     
  30. Fin D

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    How many times did Coyle miss a tackle, drop an int, let the guy get out of bounds?
     
  31. RickyNeverInhaled

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    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-points-per-play
    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot
    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversions-per-game

    The first link isn't quite what you were asking, instead of points per possession I found points per play but that should be the best indicator of what you are asking from what I can find. I am surprised because I thought this site had every stat imaginable when it comes to stuff like this.
     
  32. RoninFin4

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    None. But if you're objectively watching the games, it's easy to see how many times Miami's defense has boosted it's stats against bad teams? How many times have his gameplans been complete failures? Tennessee 2012, Buffalo 2012, New England 2012, New Orleans 2013, Buffalo 2013, New York 2013, Kansas City 2014, Denver 2014, New York 2014. How many times has this defense gotten a key stop against a quality opponent? How many times have we heard corroborations of players complaining about his scheme and wanting Kacy Rodgers to take over? At least 3 times this year (Kansas City, Green Bay, Detroit).

    I'm not saying he's bad, but this defense could be better. I think their success, statistically, has been achieved by playing very well against lesser opponents for the most part. I mean, just look at this year, aside from the opener and the San Diego game, when can you really say the defense has fared well against a quality opponent? Aaron Rodgers, despite having an off day STILL threw 3 TDs; the Broncos did whatever they pleased ALL day long; the Jets did whatever they pleased for the better part of 3 quarters.

    And under his tenure we've seen losses to Geno Smith, Thaddeus Lewis twice, Jake Locker, E.J. Manuel, the Chiefs without Jamaal Charles, etc. Even some of the wins have come with less than stellar defensive play.

    It is what it is. Coyle, like Philbin IMO, is decent, but BOTH could be upgraded upon.
     
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  33. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    I have to strongly disagree with you about the Jets doing whatever they pleased against us, we all know they would have liked to be able to pass against us. I'm pretty sure they would have liked to do traditional runs against us too, they did just about every un-traditional run play I've seen in a while. And my final point is that they would have been pleased to beat us too.
     
  34. RoninFin4

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    The Jets gashed Miami running Power-O. They gashed Miami running counters. Both are Football 101. Even if you cite the reverses the Jets used, which Miami was helpless with for the most part, the Broncos ALSO gashed Miami running Power-O, counters, leads, traps, whams, etc. This with their C playing RT.

    This week Miami's probably going to see a lot of zone, stretch-zone, etc. Let's see if Coyle is able to adjust and slow down Forsett.
     
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    Ill check it out. Points per play is good too, still like per possession better. Last year we were 12th.

    I like per possession because it shows how many points teams score against you based on how many times they have the ball.

    It sort of evens out the long drives and quick scores agaibst abd doesn't have bias towards either.
     
  36. 77FinFan

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    I believe it would be much, much easier to replace Coyle w/ someone who would be worse than it would be to replace him with a DC that would be better.
     
  37. resnor

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    I'm a fan of Rex Ryan as a DC...just sayin. Always liked his defenses.
     
  38. Disgustipate

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    I don't think it's any less a threat, I think you're still going to see them targeting down linemen with double teams until they're not getting their asses kicked by them. Zone blocking might make it even easier.
     
  39. Fin D

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    You're asking for an all world greatest D of all time. All good defenses get beat.
     
  40. RoninFin4

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    No I'm not, how did you even derive that from the post?

    I'm asking for a defense that's consistent week-to-week and a coordinator who knows how to maximize use of his personnel. Getting thrashed by the Chiefs without Jamaal Charles is telling. Having Philip Wheeler in man-to-man coverage on the perimeter is telling. Having the LBs used in the arrangement they were last year is telling (that's not counting the stories that Coyle pounded the table for Ellerbe/Wheeler either). I can see why they tried what the did with Dion Jordan; I get that, I do. But, I think they need to kill off that experiment, even if only for DJ's sake - poor guy's going to have a stroke soon.

    I think Kevin Coyle is a REALLY good secondary coach. Has been since his days in Cincinnati. He basically saved Reggie Nelson's career. He turned Pacman Jones around. He helped Leon Hall comeback off an Achilles tear. Brent Grimes, same thing, and I'd say Grimes is better now than he ever was with Atlanta. Reshad Jones had a renaissance year in 2012. But I think in terms of running the defense as a whole, there's a lot to be desired. I think that Miami's D-line is very talented, and other than Earl Mitchell, it was still very talented before he ever came to Miami and that D-line's masked some of the deficiencies.

    Now that Randy Starks, sadly, seems to be winding down and Jared Odrick...is he playing hurt?...hasn't been as effective as usual since the Detroit game, you're starting to see the cracks that Miami has. It's magnified in the way Coyle calls games as we've seen with Denver and the 1st half of the Jets game, along with Kansas City earlier this year, the Green Bay final drive, and the Detroit final drive. Even the first Bills game was pretty bad (so were Will Davis' shoes and his overall play) this year.

    I simply think that Miami could do better, and I think that there are other schemes out there that would capitalize on the abilities of guys like Cameron Wake and Olivier Vernon and Dion Jordan even more. I think there are other coaches/coordinators out there that are week-to-week better gameplanners than Coyle. I think there are guys that adjust more quickly in-game than Kevin Coyle. Don't get me wrong, Coyle's had some brilliant games. Indy 2013, New England 2013 and the opener this year. I just don't think they outweigh the duds, and the duds have usually come against quality opponents and/or in games Miami *needs* to win.

    I think that sentiment echoes up the chain of command to Joe Philbin as well. I think that's a large part of why Miami's gone 7-9, 8-8 and are 7-5 now.
     

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