I think when we get into these situations needing to run the clock out by getting a few first.downs that we need to go to our 2 minute drill, as it seems like our guys just click in the 2 minute drill. Everyone seems to be on the same page.
Fails to support his arguments with logic. That said, one of the more entertaining accounts in forum history. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
Once again the lions are the #1 rush defence big difference between the colts and the lions front seven. Greenbay was third and 9 what are the odds of picking that up running?Sure you want to run the clock out but they failed and got burned by being conservative.I am done with this pointless argument because you keep bringing up **** from last year and the year before.The qb is much better this year but the coach is scared.Let it play out and see what happens.
And he attempted a pass on 3rd and 5 vs those same Lions, how did that work out? We couldn't convert on our 3rd and 5 against the Lions. Drew Stanton converted his 3rd and 11 against those same Lions to close the game out for his defense a week later. It seems to me having the ball and the lead with less than 4 minutes to play is a lose-lose for Philbin.
His views are no less logical than the opposing views. Blaming the HC for losses while refusing to credit him for wins, calling for his ouster at 6-5 while in the thick of the playoff chase? Ooooook.
That first down run went for 5 yards and the 2nd down run would've gotten a couple more if Williams didn't hesitate in the backfield.
It's simply an illusion to think the game rides on decisions such as those. I suspect it's a way of feeling like the team is better than it really is. If we can believe we could've won by simply making one different decision, well then we can think we're that much closer to being where we need to be. In reality there are many bigger-picture variables at play that need to align in the necessary direction. Think about it like this: if your team's success is routinely hinging on one coaching decision, it isn't as good as it needs to be. The best teams overcome the inevitable coaching mistakes (not that I think this was) with the bigger-picture variables. Mike McCarthy and John Fox have a whole lot more room for error than Joe Philbin.
Yup. I thought McCarthy's clock management at the end of the first half was awful but Rodgers bailed him out with a long TD pass.
Fair enough. I prefer looking at his entire body of work over three years but I can see where you're coming from.
I don't like him but I am in the wait and see mode.I will keep my mouth shut if we go 4-1 but the gloves are off if we choke like last year.
Logic? The main argument for change here is the record argument. The SB coaches, Tom Coughlin, Sean Peyton, Lovie Smith, Jeff Fisher have losing records. The record argument is an argument for wanting a dominant team. Patriots are dominant, they are 9-3. Packers are dominant, they are 9-3. They are not dominant because they are 9-3. It's the other way around. They are 9-3 because they are dominant. The record does not make you dominant. What makes you dominant is the way you play and the way you match up. We were 11-5 in 2008, and we were a wreck waiting to happen. Giants were 9-7 in 2011, and they were dominant. Playing dominant football is the key, not the record. With Joe Philbin we are on the brink of dominance, and that is the most important thing. He made it happen. But more than that, we have a fun team to watch, and that is also at the top of the list of important things.
I think if you keep changing coaches you're going to see little or no progress. The Dolphins have had a really tough schedule this season. If they can win 9 games then we'll have seen a clear progression in how the team is performing. This team is full of young/controllable players, they're not in danger of losing a lot of playmakers in the coming seasons. Let Philbin finish what he started.
Coaching changes happen all the time and if you pick the right guy you can win. .Look at the eagles,chiefs,colts,and until this year 49ers.They all changed coaches and the team was better for it. Everybody assumes if you change coaches you have to blow the whole thing up and rebuild.Ask the eagle fans how it is working out with chip kelly. We might be able to finally attract a good coach because we possibly have a franchise QB instead of settling for whats left. Of course I hope we keep philbin because that means we went 10-6 and hopefully made playoffs.
lots of good points on here. I'm ok with Philpin at 9-6 anything worse , he should probably go. that would mean we totally tanked at end of year again.
The 9-7 giants were hot, not dominant. Miami @ 11-5 wasn't a "wreck" waiting to happen. We had a ****ty GM who rebuilt the team in his image and our QB got hurt. We turned into a wreck.
In order for this to be taken seriously, you need to: A. Support your theory that Miami is on the brink of dominance. B. Support your theory that Joe Philbin 'made it happen' Until you can actually back up your theories, they're really just ideas out of left-field that aren't supported. As it stands you're throwing out a lot of empty platitudes without any real substantive evidence or support.
I believe thats fair, if we look at how this schedule sets up, the fact that this is the third year, what transpired last year, and the fact that we are in the middle of the playoff hunt, then reasonable expectations are to win the rest of your home games against those opponents because of where they are at in their programs, and win 2maro nite on the road. I believe that tells us the team is listening, motivated, and progressing.
What does "taken seriously" mean? If you have an opposing view I don't think its possible to be "taken seriously" on a football message board. And you can "back up theories" until the cows come home but it won't amount to a hill of beans if somebody's mind is already made up. For instance, I'm pretty sure we could win back to back superbowls and many, many fans already have their built in excuse for how we won them in spite of Philbin.
sounds like dolphin fans are ready to make more excuses . we all know Philbin cant out coach our afc east rivals and we have been lucky more then good. it the jets get Harbaugh then Miami will most likely end up in the cellar of the AFC EAST. if we get to the playoffs then I will give Philbin a reprieve for one more year . but if we lose our remaining games then I hope we do the right thing and get Harbaugh because he has at least been to the playoffs where Philbin hasn't been .500
Maybe point differential. Looking at the games we've won vs those we have lost. Won by well over 10 pts, lost by around 3.
Ive been trying to be careful in leaving room that we all might not be smart enough to make that assumption if he wins 4 out of 5 to finish.. I look at it like this..this is a five game season..and in the three years leading up til this point, and knowing the teams that we are about to face, and where we are playing them, then if things are going in the right direction for this 3rd year, then we need to win the four games were supposed to win..
Its pretty simple for me: if Tannehill turns out to be something then Philbin will look like a good coach. If Tannehill continues to be mediocre then Philbin will look like a mediocre coach. I think Philbin understands this, he doesn't care about how some of his unconventional tactics come across to fans because they won't matter at the end of the day. At the end of the day he will be judged on how Tannehill performs. And I believe he's taken a high risk approach to bringing Tannehill along as quickly as possible, and that approach may have cost us games the past few seasons (ie the record!!). For instance how many coaches take on a "you need to take what the defense gives you" approach with a rookie QB? How many coaches allows their rookie QB to check out of plays in OT with the game at hand, like he did against the Jets week 4 his rookie season when he took that deep shot to Hartline when we were already in field goal range? When you are already in range for the game winning field goal you probably should not be throwing it deep... Anyway, Philbin's thought process can be summed up like this: when asked about the lack of production on the deep ball Philbin simply stated 'if the guy's open you've got to be able to get him the ball. Period.' Philbin believes the QB either has "it" or he doesn't. His job is to put the QB in a position to prove he has "it." If he doesn't have "it" then you are just spinning your tires anyway, and trying to cover up for that will only result in a stay of execution. Nobody wants that. Not even Philbin.
Really, he has. He's shown flashes of adequacy and a couple games a season where he's seemed like a franchise QB, but overall, his record is pretty much the definition of mediocre. He's probably enough to get a team to the playoffs, but he's not a top-tier QB.
To you, maybe. To me, the QB play is a very large contributor to the team record. He's getting better, but it's been a slow progression. Seriously, I don't think there are too many objective observers that would put him in the top ten QBs in the league.
He's been good since Oakland, and if you extrapolated that stretch over an entire season you would get 11 wins. And even over that stretch if he was good and clutch it could be even better.
Its got nothing to do with me or you. Team record is not a QB stat. That is fact. Yes, QB play is extremely important, but it is not even close to the only thing that effects wins and losses. It is absurd to act as if it is. First of all, the QB is not on the field for half the plays. Secondly, 99.9999% of all QB passes require a whole other person to do their job properly to count as a completion...not too mention oline play. Lastly, if the team record is solely on 17, then every loss by every team is ALWAYS the QB's fault. If the previous sentence is false, then your stance is shot.
And even among the people who might consider him to be in the top 10 in the league, he would probably be near the bottom of that 10, which would mean he needs significant help from the rest of the team for the Dolphins to be highly competitive. Obviously that's better than having a much worse QB, one who often loses games for his team, but it makes the Dolphins' competitiveness largely uncertain from year to year, and from game to game. The teams with the best QBs are fairly certain they're going to be perennially competitive.
Unless they're in the NFC South this year, of course...but then in the NFC South this year, it doesn't take much to be "competitive."
You would think given our intimate history, QB's record would not be considered relevant. Case and point. - Dan Marino threw 48 TD's in '84 and Miami went 14-2. Dan Marino threw 44 TD's in '86 and Miami managed to go 6-10. .612 winning % as a Dolphin (147-93) -Jay Fiedler threw 66 passing TD's and 63 INT's for his Dolphins career. 58% completion. Sub 80 QB rating. .610 winning % as a Dolphin (36-23) Winning is not a QB statistic. It's a team stat. And a lowest common denominator argument that fails to hold up under scrutiny.
For me, two of the biggest factors in this question are: 1 - If we lose games that we really could have/should have won because of obvious coaching errors, then we're talking about a coach/the coaches holding the team back, and should be replaced. 2 - If we do change coaches that's going to mean three new offensive systems in three years - new system each year. That's a lot of change. Other considerations: Hickey, in this first year, has made some great decisions. I'd like to see him get a second year. Lazor's new system has a lot going for it. I'm not completely sold on him as a player caller, but the fact that this is a new system to the team and a new team to Lazor, as well as a new position, I think there's enough promise demonstrated to warrant at least one more year. I could see Coyle replaced. No issue with that. I could even see Philbin replaced, I'd rather someone more aggressive and versatile. However, at this point, if he gets the wins we should, then along with the rest of the newness, he should get one more year. If Philbin has to go, I'll be most sad/concerned for the loss of Hickey, and the learning of yet another new system. Lazor could be promoted but I'm not certain that's the right call - and honestly, I don't think I'll ever have the information to be certain.
