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Are the Dolphins a playoff caliber team?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Dec 3, 2014.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    NFL-AM Discusses

    Pros
    Tannehill with some impressive performances
    Found a way to win in December
    Talent

    Cons
    Weak against the run (two bad games
    AFC too competitive
    Tannehill inconsistent


    Other
    Miller needs to be used more.
     
  2. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Before last week, I thought yes. After watching the Jets dominate the LOS for three quarters, my answer is now no.
     
  3. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Why would you put so much stock in that game.
     
  4. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    By that standard, the Patriots are not a playoff caliber team either. One game, especially a division game, does not define a team, and by the way, we won that game!
     
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  5. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    they are playoff caliber for sure
     
  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Can we stop with the Tannehill not being consistent thing? He's been incredibly consistent.
     
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  7. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If we beat the Ravens, I'll say yes.
     
  8. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I was just summarising the points from the video.
     
  9. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I'm just speaking in general. Its getting annoying that people keep acting like Tannehill isn't consistent. Our major problems have nothing to do with Tannehill right now. I mean if Wallace had caught the damn TD and Miller didn't cause the INT, the passing game would have carried a 100-ish QB rating for the Jets game.
     
  11. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    If we get in, we're likely facing Bengals or colts. I think we can beat both of them, so yes I think we're a playoff caliber team.
     
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  12. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Yea thill stats lie in the jets game. A friend of mine, a jets fan, said he thought tannehill played great. I've been saying to a lot of friends that tannehills not the problem, Wallace is. Wallace proved me right Monday.
     
  13. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd characterize Miami as a contender at this point, meaning they can get in. I could see them beating Cincinnati or Indianapolis, but I don't see them going further than that despite having played Devner, in Denver, well and already beating the Patriots to this point. I think both of those two teams are still ascending, especially running the football, where as Miami's leveled off quite a bit both in terms of injuries (Albert, Clay, Finnegan, etc.) and the defense has not looked very good back-to-back weeks against the run or rushing the passer.

    Again, this week being what it is, it's essentially a playoff elimination game. If Miami wins, I think labeling them as a "playoff caliber" team is fine, though I think that definition is more along the lines of being a consistent playoff team over a span of seasons, which is why I threw out "contender".
     
  14. Alex44

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    We might actually trash the Colts. Luck is damn good but they really can't run the ball or play any defense against good teams.
     
  15. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd take it a step further. The offensive line at this point is a mess and Miami's been forced to short passes for the most part. The receiving corps as a whole probably needs an overhaul after this season to better fit this offense philosophically/schematically.
     
  16. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Neither of the bolded is true.

    1). We're not bad against the run, in general. Our starting DB is hurt and we're starting guys we signed off the street 6 days ago. We're schematically trying to compensate. If/when we get healthy in the secondary, our run D will improve.

    2). Tannehill has been anything but inconsistent. He's a solid 200-250 yard passing, 2 TD, 65%+ completion QB.
     
  17. seabass0795

    seabass0795 New Member

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    Tannehill has completed at least 70% of his throws in the last 5 weeks, a feat that Brees, Brady, and Marino have never done. But you know, let's keep saying that Tannehill "Isn't consistent"... SMH
     
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  18. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    When we're healthy... yes, we are clearly a playoff caliber team. I don't think we have enough talent to overcome losing practically all our corners, our LT, our #1 TE, and our #1 RB.

    We need a couple of key additions and better depth to be considered among the legit playoff teams. But, I think we're very close.
     
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  19. Larry Little

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    I hope you're right. Our DL has not played well the last couple of weeks, and I'm not certain that is due to adjustments behind them. You think the LBs have been forced to play the pass more? I can't say I'd argue with you. I just hope you're correct, and we can get back to containing the run.
     
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  20. TheHighExhaulted

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    If the playoffs started today after 13 weeks, they would be in. How is that not playoff caliber?
     
  21. PhinsMondayNitro

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    The Chargers vs Patriots game is awesome. If the Patriots win & we beat the Ravens we move into the 5th seed or if the Chargers beat the Pats we are one game behind & have the chance to take the division. There's hope in Miami
     
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  22. Coloradotrv

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    As of today, the dolphins are the #6 seed for the playoffs. They are by definition, playoff caliber.
     
  23. HogsHDFinsfan

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    I think the answer is we'll find out every week for the next three weeks. We can only lose one game to have any chance. If we win three games, we'll see. If we lose two or more, than no way. If we run the table, there is a chance we'll have a bye.
     
  24. SlyFoxxx

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    It goes both ways though. If the ball Tannehill threw right into the defenders face on the out route was caught, if he hits Wallace on the stop and go, if he doesn't throw the ball 10 yards out of bounds when he breaks the pocket and Wallace is open deep, etc

    Tannehill still unfortunately fits the inconsistent label. He stares down receivers, throws into obvious coverage the defender has won, lacks pocket awareness and touch on underneath and intermediate routes and that contributes to his boneheaded plays that might not show up in the stat sheet each week but will eventually come back to bite you.

    On the other hand, he does the complete opposite of those things throughout the same game and the offense clicks and looks like a playoff team.

    Reminds me of Cam Newton so far in his career. So far he's put up some great stats in years 1-3 but the inconsistencies you've seen with him (bad accuracy, literally terrible accuracy and ball placement, no pocket awareness, no touch, bad fundamentals and footwork) are catching up this year.

    It's weird how Ryan and Cam have traded trajectories. Ryan looks like a star and Cam looks like a backup. This is a big month for Ryan. More good than bad and we're in the playoffs and dangerous. More bad than good and we miss again and people question his future.
     
  25. Dorfdad

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    I have been contemplating this all year. When were clicking we can beat any team in the year. We can match up with anyone, and we had a good run for a few weeks where it all clicked but ultimately I feel were not ready for a playoff push..

    Injuries are hurting us, for most of the year we come out to slow. In the playoffs you cant do this and come back... I like the direction were heading but were not their yet IMHO...
     
  26. MikeHoncho

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    The oline is way too crippled imo for us to be a playoff caliber club.
     
  27. MikeHoncho

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    Don't let the 5 straight game 70% completion streak fool you. QBs do that all the time.
     
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  28. djphinfan

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    i heard someone n tv say this....the dolphins have had the most difficult schedule leading up until this point, with the easiest moving forward.
     
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  29. RoninFin4

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    Just FYI if you're going by that. Even if Miami beats Baltimore this weekend, if both Pittsburgh and Kansas City win, Miami would NOT be in the playoffs if they started Monday. The tie-breakers don't go Miami's way any longer in that scenario, regardless of San Diego winning or losing due to KC's tie-break over them head-to-head. So, even at 8-5, Miami would be out of the playoffs, if they started Monday, if things break that way.

    In short, root for Cincinnati (Pittsburgh twice, Cleveland) the rest of the year and whoever plays Kansas City the rest of the way. Throw in San Diego this weekend as well as it keeps Miami's hopes for the AFCE title alive.
     
  30. jdang307

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    Labor blames Tanny for that INT, by the way.

    Tanny is consistently bad in the 4th Quarter too ;)

    Consistency isn't just game to game. It's quarter to quarter as well.

    By quarter:

    1q - 111 qbr
    2q - 84.4
    3q - 106.4
    4q - 75.1
     
  31. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    And we showed we are capable of beating the Broncos, we have already beaten the crap out of the Patriots, and have beaten the crap out of the Chargers who are likely to be in the playoffs as well. The Ravens game will be very telling as well, but I believe there is no point for further discussion on this matter, we are a playoff caliber team, case closed.
     
  32. ElNino

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    I would not be upset if Wallace was benched for Bmore. He's shown great effort at times, but other times just head scratchingly lazy almost when it comes to going after a ball. I realize his speed helps out the rest of the WR's but come on, he's gotta step the eff up!
     
  33. dWreck

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    Someone go tell the chiefs they aren't "playoff caliber", since they lost to the raiders. So tired of this nonsense.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    and I constantly argue with folks about the emotional part of this game and its affect on results, if a team is hyped to play and the other team isn't, don't matter the records.
     
  35. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    It takes 16 games to make the playoffs though... After 12 games the Falcons are in a playoff spot, but I don't think they are playoff caliber or will be holding down a spot in 4 weeks time.

    It comes down to winning a big game down the stretch against Baltimore or the Pats. If they can earn a win, I think they are playoff caliber.
     
  36. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Bench Wallace? With Hartline already banged up and Clay questonable, no way.

    If anything he still commands respect and keeps the opposition's best cover corner occupied.
     
  37. cuchulainn

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    Here's a run down on our OL player rating so far this year from PFF:

    Satele- Overall -5.6, pass -5.9. run +2.1. Gave up 2 sacks, 7 hits, and 7 hurries.

    James- Overall -7.9, pass -5.3, run -3.1. Gave up 2- 9- 20.

    Albert- Overall +17.5, pass +12.6, run +6.3. Gave up 3- 1- 5.

    Dallas- Overall -27.9, pass -18.0, n- -11.0. Gave up 2- 5- 23.

    Colledge- Overall -13.5, pass -3.6, run -11.3. Gave up 5- 2- 6.

    Pouncey Overall -11.0, pass -9.6, run -1.9. Gave up 3- 0- 18.

    Shelly- Overall -7.4, pass -4.1, run -4.1. Gave up 2- 3- 5. (only 314 snaps)

    Fox- Overall -2.3, pass-2.5, run +0.7. Gave up 0- 1- 1. (57 snaps)

    Garner- Overall -0,7, pass +0.6, run -1,4. Gave up 0- 0- 0.

    Combined the OL has given up 19 sacks, 28 hits, 85 hurries, a combined 132 QB pressures over 12 games.

    Last year, it was 41 sacks, 39 hits, 114 hurries, a combined 194 QB pressures.

    This year, we're starting two guys, in Satele and Colledge no other tea wanted for obvious reasons, lost Albert, and now have James, Pouncey, and Dallas playing out of position.

    If not for Lazor and Tannehill with all the quick, short passes to negate opponents pass rush, we may have been about the same level of production as last season. Instead we have the most prolific offense we've had in decades behind a bad line.

    In this playoff run, EVERYONE is going to have to step up, not just the QB.
     
  38. TooGoodForDez

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    Playoff caliber as in competing for SB? No, we are not there yet. We need an improved QB, Oline, receivers, and playcalling.
     
  39. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    All that pessimism and yet you leave out run defense? Your slipping...
     
  40. dolphin25

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    I'm not sure how having injured corners affects the running defense, I could certainly see how it would affect the running game.
     

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