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Mark Brunell, Teddy bruschi has something to say about Ryan.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 3, 2014.

  1. Fins Hipster

    Fins Hipster Banned

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    When folks like those don't provide any objective data or reasons for their viewpoints, it's difficult to confirm or refute what they're saying.
     
  2. HogsHDFinsfan

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    Not sure I understand...why does this piss you off? These guys are paid to give opinions. It shouldnt piss anyone off. It has absolutely no effect on anything. I understand why they might not think RT is capable. He has four games to prove them wrong or for them to be proven right.
     
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  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Who are you speaking about? Posters in here, or the analysts? What data are you looking for?
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    they are obviously using the eyeball test..their former players.
     
  5. Fins Hipster

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    But it's hard to know what they mean. Does Brunell think some of the Dolphins' remaining four opponents are too strong for Tannehill to combat? Does he think Tannehill just isn't good enough in general? How does one define what Bruschi said in terms of "having to make a play"? When does a QB "have" to make a play? When Ryan Tannehill has been in that situation (whatever that is), what has happened?
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    man it was pretty dam disrespectful, haven't heard a call out like that in a while, by both, and so absolute..I just want it to piss him off really.
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i watched them say it a few times so it was blantant about the qb..read my post again and imagine it as vivid as its written.
     
  8. Fins Hipster

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    I wonder what they would say about Alex Smith in that regard, because I see Tannehill as being very similar to Smith at this point in his career. Smith I think needs help from other parts of his team (running game, defense, turnover margin), and I think Tannehill, when playing against other playoff-caliber teams, does as well. These are not QBs who can carry teams on their backs. Now, Tannehill may have some room to evolve, whereas I think Smith has reached his ceiling and probably won't improve any more, but right now I see them as very similar. And that isn't a knock on Tannehill, because Smith has been a Pro-Bowler.
     
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  9. cuchulainn

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    Differences being that it took Alex Smith almost a decade to get as good as he currently is and he has Jamaal Charles, Davis, and Bowe on offense to share the load the past couple seasons and he had VDavis, MCrabtree, and Gore while in SF. Tannehill is better than Smith already without the OLine, all-pro back, or dominant receiving threat. This team can only go as far as his current ability with the handicaps can take us.
     
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  10. DPlus47

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    As others have said, it's funny that this happened AFTER a game winning drive.

    Game winning field goal drives aren't so impressive then, Tedy? You want game winning touchdowns?

    It's hilarious to me that even the players who were there have replaced Game Manager Brady in their heads with Superstar Brady. I guess that's what the instant gratification culture gets us: a lot of confused memories that forget that life is a process and not an event.
     
  11. jcliving

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    Tannehill has been very average in the 4th quarter this year: cmp% 59.5, YPA 6.16, TDs 3, ints 3, and sacks 7. These stats validate their statements. I am hopeful that RT will prove them wrong.

    Both Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco have better 4th quarter stats.
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the analysts.
     
  13. jdang307

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    It came against the Jets who only ran the ball, ran into a brick wall in the 2nd half and still ran the ball. It really shouldn't have been close. They are a 2 win team, Dolphins have playoff aspirations. Do we win the game if Rex Ryan doesn't throw the game.

    Possibly, but their game plan was really really odd yet we BARELY won.

    Tedy should have said, "The Dolphins needed a comeback win against that????"

    Entering the game Tanny was 31st in 4th Quarter QBR. It's a legitimate gripe. Tanny needs to prove him wrong.
     
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  14. heylookatme

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    Did you even watch Geno Smith? The Jets didn't throw the game. The jets called the only game that allowed them to compete.
     
  15. ToddPhin

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    The biggest problem with the 4th qtr is not Tannehill. He's probably been one of the better 4th qtr performers on the team after Wake regardless of what his "passer rating" says. The biggest problem is, in 3 losses where the offense had close 4th qtr leads, the ground game rushed for a miserable 4 yards on 7 carries. In 2 of those losses, Tannehill led 3 straight TDs against GB that provided a 4 pt lead with 2:04 left and then led 3 straight scores against Detroit to take a late 4th qtr lead. Then we we needed a TD to get us within 3 against Denver which Tannehill got us, and who knows what would've happened if the ensuing onside kick were successful.

    In Miami's 4 wins that weren't blowouts entering the 4th qtr, we rushed 38 times for 172 yards during 4th qtr leads, including 3 straight runs for a 1st down to close out the Buffalo game; a 5 minute, late 4th qtr FG drive vs Chicago to preserve the lead with 2:13 left; 11 minutes of clock-chewing against Jax to close it out, a 6 minute 4th qtr TD drive against NE to close that out with 3:29 left, and a 4 minute, game-winning FG drive against the Jets with 1:57 left.

    There's one poster here who likes to place the entire onus of closing out games on Tannehill which is absurdly silly. Closing out a game is a team effort, including coaching, and I think you need at least 2 of the 3 aspects [QB play, run game, defense] to be successful most of the time, with good coaching essentially being a given. If the ground game manages just 4 yards on 7 carries when the offense is trying to close out a game, it's gonna be a rough day for a young QB with little to no audible ability to convert on 3rd & long behind inherently risk-averse play calling. Similarly, the defense cant compound that issue by allowing last minute TD drives after Tannehill just finished leading 3 straight scoring drives to take late 4th qtr leads.
     
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  16. Vertical Limit

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    Not shocked, if we're not up in the third quarter, I have no confidence we win the game. We won last week because Geno Smith sucks and Nick Folk did his job. They handed us a win. Baltimore is coming down here looking at the game as a must win, will Tannehill have the same mentality and start producing in the 4th? We will see.
     
  17. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Geno Smith doesn't have NFL arm talent or the brains to be a QB who gets by with lesses physical skill. Hes pretty damn bad.

    I agree 100% with you.
     
  18. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Except Smith has about 0 arm strength, can't complete passes to his WRs near or in thr endzone, and its taken him a long *** time to get to where he is.

    I like Smith actually...but to compare Tannehill to him is absurd in my eyes.
     
  19. dolphin25

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    I think it is equally crazy you can't realize that IF the offense picks up a SINGLE first down on their last attemps both those games never get to the defense. I'm not saying the defense should not have held the lead, I'm saying the offense could have prevented them having to.
     
  20. dolphin25

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    It is interesting how people see different things watching the same game :)
     
  21. resnor

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    Dolphin25...have you just been cruising through other threads to try to pick up the most annoying things you can say? You must, cause you probably hit every one of the most debated things on here.

    1. Doesn't matter if the offense picks up first downs. They gave the defense a lead. KEEP IT. Especially in Green Bay game, Tannehill lead three straight scoring drives. You want a fourth. Not only is that unrealistic, you're being unreasonable.

    2. Rating is NOT only a measure of the QB, since it requires a receiver to, I don't know, CATCH THE BALL for the QB to earn stats.
     
  22. GreysonWinfield

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    Meh..............
     
  23. Disnardo

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    I agree, for putting in my cents worth...

    After many, many years the old saying that Defenses win championships still rings true, even in todays passing schemes... a good QB can get you into the Play Offs, but you need a good to great Defense to help you win when you are in...
     
  24. Colmax

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    Definitely. You can get a legitimate play-action with a Moreno in there. With Miller or someone else on the roster, it's more of a "catch the D off-guard and hope they bite" + "great timing of the play-call" kind of thing. It's not been there much of the time.

    The blocking scheme has been a nice addition to the run game, with solid results. Unfortunately, you're not going to play ball control with Miller at the end of games. Moreno, you certainly can. I think the lack of the "power run game" has hurt Miami in a few of these games.

    And I do not know that anything really changes much in that department moving forward this season. I would certainly bring Moreno back if he's healthy enough next year. We got just a small sampling, but he absolutely changes the dynamics of this offense in such a good way.

    They're going to have to continue to kill 'em with these quick hits. Landry is certainly earning his paycheck. A four yard gain on first down is still a four yard gain, no matter how it is done.

    I think right now, there is not much Miami can do to get away from it.
     
  25. MAFishFan

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    Scott Zolak on Boston sports radio today said Miami should get rid of Tannehill and keep the coaching staff and that he'd take Sanchez over Tannehill. Makes sense he never could start over Hugh Millen and Tommy Hodson.
     
  26. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I couldn't read anything after Scott Zolak hahahahaha.
     
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    When I saw that, good thing there was nothing heavy and thick next to me, because it would have been thrown at the TV. I've been critical of Ryan, and he's shaped up nicely so far this season, so much so that I am back on the "Give Ryan the extention" wagon. Those two.....they are just such haters. Enough if I type more the Mods may ban me.
     
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  28. Clark Kent

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    Yeah, I was really hoping we were going to add Blount. I think he would of been a perfect compliment to Miller. 10-15 carries per game, downhill running, red zone specialist. Owell.


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    As far as Teddy B and Brunell are concerned, I wonder how much of their perception of Ryan Tannehill is based on 2013's final two games when Miami couldn't seal the deal to get into the playoffs. I didn't see anyone mention that yet.
     
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  29. Springveldt

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    Lucky you.
     
  30. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    The guy was an irrelevant player on an irrelevant teams(s) for the most part, yet somehow that irrelevance makes him an authority on the relevance of others. Sanchez? Really, the guy had some good games (with one stinker in there) and he's now better than Tannehill. I don't recall Ryan regressing throughout his career until now - which has a **** load to o with the system if you consider how many QB's are having success in it, nor do I recall him 'butt-fumbling'.

    Seriously? This is how desperate the NFL week is for news that this is a topic of conversation.

    Next they'll ask Zolak how to be a successful NFL QB. How the **** would he know? He'd have to call the guy(s) who started ahead of him etc. and ask them before he could answer the question.
     
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  31. Alex44

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    Oh I remember being really sad and wondering wtf happened to us because we were the Dolphins and I thought we were the best ever.

    Just don't remember the specifics.
     
  32. heylookatme

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    Two years from now, when Mike Wallace is pulling the same garbage routine in another city, and we have wide receivers who can actually execute football plays, this will not be the narrative.
     
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  33. Da 'Fins

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    Agreed.

    Losing Moreno and the OL getting banged up has hurt Miami. Along with DB trouble.

    Bruschi and Brunell are being too superficial putting it all on the QB. In one sense it doesn't bother me because the reality is, Tannehill has not gotten the job done in the clutch December games. We really don't know if he'll be able to do that. Until he does, no one knows. Doesn't matter what his QBR is at this point. And certainly a great QB (Aaron Rogers) can win you some big games - but even he needs a great system and WRs that get the job done as well as a good running game (all of which Green Bay has - they have a beast RB and a very good set of WRs).

    What wins games is not just quality QB play, but also a running game and a great D. The Dolphins are not going to get the job done because of struggles on the OL, lacking a power running game, and the D has weaknesses.
     
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  34. dolphin25

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    That is funny stuff! So it does not matter if an offense picks up first downs? This must be the new NFL. It is not important for an offense to run out the clock? new NFL I guess

    So the elite QB's have a high rating, but it is all smoke and mirrors?

    Dude seriously?

    I didnt say scoring drive, i said run out the clock. You do know in the Green Bay game if Tannehill does not throw the ball away and just slides the clock keeps running correct? And that could be 40 plus seconds off the clock..

    And I didnt say the QB rating was end all to end all, BUT it is a measuring stick used by the NFL to measure uh hmmmm QB's

    Someone on here yesterday tried to tell me wins by a QB didnt matter................. uh how many HOF QB's had a losing record in the NFL?
     
  35. Fin D

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    Um, don't know if you heard, but football is won when you score more points then the other team, not ToP or first downs.

    Also, its pretty freaking ridiculous that you're blaming Tannehill for GB scoring points and not the defense. Actually its not ridiculous, its bat **** cuckoo bird bananas.
     
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  37. Kud_II

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    Brunell is just jealous of Tannehill's wife. And Bruschi is a just a shady cheatin Patriot.
     
  38. dolphin25

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    So basically what you are saying is that the OFFENSE is not scoring enough points. Is TAnnehill not the leader of the offense?

    I NEVER said the defense should not have stopped the Packers, what I am saying is the OFFENSE could have done their part to run out the clock. They did have that chance correct????? or do you wish to deny that?

    So you are saying it is ONLY a team game when it surrounds Tannehill, but not Tannehills job to help the team........ OMG i so have to get used to the new NFL.
     
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  39. DPlus47

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    Tannehill should have taken the sack rather than throw the ball away against Green Bay. That was as big a mistake as Finnegan's on the fake spike or Philbin's in calling the timeout. Still, you win as a team and you lose as a team. Everybody had their opportunity to help put Green Bay away, and everybody failed. That doesn't take away from the good things that were done (and Tannehill did some great things in the 2nd half against the Pack), but it does lead to an L instead of a W. Arguing about who gets more of the blame is pointless, because it's an argument about our personal biases and tastes and not an argument about the team; I hope that the team understands that they all failed that day.

    As for Tannehill's mistake in particular, I expect this kind of thing to change as he gets more experience. I know you can't teach situational awareness in the strict sense of the word "teach," but situational awareness is something that becomes more natural as the rest of the game gets easier for you. Sometimes a guy's head gets filled with too many things to worry about and he does something dumb. Veterans tend to do this a lot less often. Maybe the same thing can be said of Philbin's blunders in that game.
     
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  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Tannehill didn't take the sack because he thought they were going to be aggressive on third down. Philbin changed his mind after the 2nd down play.
     
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