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Four Past GMs Weigh in on Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fins Hipster, Dec 7, 2014.

  1. Fins Hipster

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    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpyA comment from someone:
     
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  2. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Not sure why people are hating on the short passing game so much, given the current state of our o line. Sure, we all want to see the deep passes actually connect, but If we continue to win, this will be a non-story.
     
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  3. vt_dolfan

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    Again.. We've been over the deep pass argument with Tannehill. I think most people accept that their are multiple reasons why they aren't using it as much.

    I also believe we need to seperate the go route out of deep passing and maybe create it's own category. That is really the only pass he's had issues with.. The deep bomb. And actually if you were to further break down that one pass into.. Accurate but dropped as Wallace and Sims have done.. The percentage would change.
     
  4. vt_dolfan

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    Because it's the "in" thing to do. Every other complaint they have had is gone. I wonder what they will not like once that's not an issue any more.
     
  5. vt_dolfan

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    Hip.. Do you have a break down of throws by distance at all?
     
  6. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Herock: “Jared Odrick is a decent player, but [overall], their tackles are run of the mill guys.”
     
  7. Georgia Fin

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    Gotta have the deep ball, Gotta have the deep ball. IIRC we won the division with Pennington in 2008 and I doubt if he had a throw over 35 yards all season long. Play to your strengths and do what you do best. Hard to hate on that.
     
  8. MikeHoncho

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  9. vt_dolfan

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    That horse is way past being dead..

    More like beating the bottle of glue at this point.
     
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  10. Disgustipate

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    I would prefer the opinions of GMs who are employable.
     
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  11. Fins Hipster

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    Do you think there would be a difference?
     
  12. vt_dolfan

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    But you didn't post the thoughts of one of the GMs you posted a comment that happened to agree with your sentiment, which is the same it's been for what, three years now?
     
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  13. Linus

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    When Brady spends half a career throwing short, quick passes it is "working to his receivers' strengths" and "running the system perfectly" though.
     
  14. dWreck

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    Got em.. Lol. It's so true too. People tend to forget Brady having "no deep ball" was a big story for quite some time. As I said, if it works, none of this will matter.
     
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  15. Fins Hipster

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    The difference with Brady and QBs like him, however, is that when the personnel around them calls for it, they're able to flexibly adapt their game to suit it. For example, when Brady had Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth, and Ben Watson, he completed 69% of his passes, threw for 4,800 yards (over 300 per game), 50 TDs, had an 8.3 YPA, a 117 QB rating, and completed over 50% of his passes of 20+ yards in the air. All of those figures led the league that year. Do you really think that if Ryan Tannehill was surrounded by that sort of talent, he would replicate that feat, or come anywhere close to it? Now, I'm not into comparing Ryan Tannehill to first-ballot Hall-of-Famers, myself, but since you brought it up, you begged the question.
     
  16. Matt cassell did it
     
  17. finwin

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    Yes, I think Tannehill would come close to that with that if he got used to standing in the pocket and going through his progressions. Brady had a heck of an OL that year and he was rarely touched.
     
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  18. Fins Hipster

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    Matt Cassel had an 89 QB rating, a 7.2 YPA, completed 63% of his passes, and attempted only 9% of his passes 20+ yards in the air downfield, which was the lowest percentage of its kind in the league. So even in a scaled back, shorter field offense, despite all the downfield talent around him, he performed significantly worse than Brady did the year before with virtually the same surrounding talent. And of course the team went 18-1 and lost a nail-biter of a Super Bowl with Brady, while the following year with Cassel they went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.
     
  19. Fins Hipster

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    Brady was pressured on 30% of his pass dropbacks that year, which wasn't significantly different from the league average.
     
  20. Fin-Omenal

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    Looks like those guys are just flat out Tannehill haters!!! I mean....didn't they check PFF before spouting this crap off!!!!!! :pointlol:




    No really, the majority of us know it's an issue....but I'm all for coming out today and watching Ryan/Wallace shut us ALL UP.
     
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  21. RickyNeverInhaled

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    You got here in November, only have 123 posts and you know way too much about the Patriots. I think you've been here since November because you are worried about the Dolphins beating your team twice this year.
     
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  22. Linus

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    I don't understand your point? You are talking about one of the best seasons by a QB in NFL history with a team that went 16-0. I don't know what Tannehill will do in year 6 or 7 of his career or what he would do with a WR he could just throw a deep ball to when he is double covered...

    My point was that Brady didn't throw over 7 YPA until year 5 of his career and if someone said or implied he was no good because "anyone can throw short passes" it would have been pretty silly in retrospect. If anyone can just throw short passes, get 70% completion rating, 2 to 1 td/int, with their team scoring 25 ppg...there'd be a lot less QB busts every year.

    I just used Brady as an example because we have all sat and listened to Dierdorf wet himself and gush over Brady tying his shoes superbly for a decade, meanwhile our guy could have an identical Brady kind of game and just gets blatant disrespect. Then our own fans co-sign it.

    Disclaimer: not guaranteeing Tannehill becomes a HOF qb or anything along those lines.
     
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  23. resnor

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    I said it for years about the Pats...is the dink and dunk was so easy, every team would do it. Not to mention, I can't believe we're trying to compare Moss as a deep threat to Wallace. These threads are getting more and more absurd.
     
  24. Alex44

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    Moss was a once in a generation if not more player. He had the speed to outrun your corner, outrun your deep safety, and then the hands, leaping ability, and size to adjust to poor throws 50+ yards down the field.

    No comparison to Wallace.
     
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  25. resnor

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    Yeah, that was my point. It's absurd comparing Moss to Wallace.
     
  26. MikeHoncho

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    Anybody remember all those superbowls he won with Randy Moss?
     
  27. dolfan22

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    A significant part of it is that Wallace has dropped balls and not adjusted well or fought for balls , if he makes 50% of the plays that should be made by premium wr's this is almost a non issue. Yes RT has had his concern too , but it is not , at all , all on him.
     
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  28. RGF

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    .....or, a McDonalds hamburger.
     
  29. Alex44

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    Yep just backing you up :lol:
     
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  30. vt_dolfan

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    Even if they completed 6 of the longest bombs you ever saw for TD today.. It wouldn't shut off the loud annoying drone
     
  31. Fins Hipster

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    The point was simply that Brady has the ability to scale his game to whatever the surrounding talent dictates, whereas I don't think any of us can say with any certainty that Tannehill's game, by contrast, isn't being scaled back to make up for a deficiency of his that isn't shared by Brady. In other words, Brady's game is scaled in a given direction by choice, whereas Tannehill's may be scaled in the shorter field direction by necessity.
     
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  32. ASOT

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    it all comes down to the next two games, if we win both, or even one, we have a good chance at the playoffs, if we lose both, it's the story of the off-season (along with acquiring new LB's) because we'll not make the playoffs and because Tannehill needs to be resigned w/that hefty contract.

    Hickey has his work cut out for him no matter what this off-season
     
  33. Alex44

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    Actually if he had Randy Moss I do think he would be an elite deep passer. I think any slightly above average QB would be. Hell I think Alex Smith would be a good deep passer to Moss.
     
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  34. Alex44

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    I don't agree with this really. Brady has never been a very good deep ball thrower except to Moss and Gronk who are physical freaks. Maybe A-Hern before he went on a gang killing spree. That tells me Brady has only succeeded on the deep ball with elite talent. Talent RT has never had. So to say he could or couldn't is a guess at best.
     
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  35. Fin4Ever

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    It is time to upgrade at tackle. We could use at least 1 dominate tackle that can generate an excellent package of pressure up the middle as well ad a dominate run stuffer...both Starks and Odrick are converted DE's who put on weight and muscle to play inside...it is time to draft some pure DT's and I think we should be able to find some of this type of player and have even more rotation in our D-Line like some plays we could actually play Odrick and or Starks as Big DE's.
     
  36. 77FinFan

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    Brady has Belicheat and as much as I hate him he is a great coach (choke, cough). Man that was hard to say
     
  37. Fin4Ever

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    No Joseph, you have to also factor in his posts as Shourite and Dolfans Unite and then you add the 3 together and you get an actual total of the amount of posts that hipster actually has..wink..wink
     
  38. speed

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    Look at this guy's join date. Him and dolphins25 were both banned at FH, and here they are.

    Nothing but trolls.

    Ban them.
     
  39. DPlus47

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    I really like Mike Wallace, but this is the truth. There is no comparison between anyone and Moss when it comes to the deep ball. Randy Moss, when he wanted to play, was like having a deep ball cheat code.
     
  40. resnor

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    They got banned at FH??? Oh geez.
     

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