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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 7, 2014.

  1. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I assumed Mitchell's skills would be better suited for 3-4 DE. Maybe I'll hit NFL game rewind.
     
  2. ASOT

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    again Ross is the problem.....if he had fired Ireland, we'd of had Fisher, or someone of his kind of stature here by now. It all starts at the top. But the blind *** homers I am sure will not see it that way.
     
  3. RoninFin4

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    I could see that if it's a 2-gap scheme. Houston's scheme when Mitchell there was a 1-gap, where he shaded the center. Essentially, it's the same position he plays now in Miami.
     
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  4. Brasfin

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    What sucks about this game is that it felt EXACTLY like the Bills and Jets games at the end of last year, save for the 1st quarter... seems like our coaches just can't motivate the players enough to get them to come up in big games. I think we might finish 8-8 again this year... we'll probably lose to the Patriots and be officially out of the playoff race , the team will be demotivated and basically quit the rest of the way, probably losing one of the final two against the Vikings and Jets.
    Is Jim Harbaugh still a viable option?
     
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  5. djphinfan

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    when the coordinator finally calls a roll or boot, then ryan is very good...That does not fall under what I'm talking about..

    i'll reiterate, were getting 0 playmaking ability from the qb..pretty good with what the scheme is asking him to do, notsomuch with the improv part of the game..

    for those waiting to win championships from perfect pockets you might be waiting all your life.

    the pocket come playoff time is always gonna be chaotic, the qb must be able to deal with that to win..if that requires early bailing then so be it.
     
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  6. ASOT

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    Exactly the team hasn't progressed as it should. He still had OLine problems, and ones that may take more than next year to fix, and I'm not quite sold on Tannehill as the QB going forward.
     
  7. DPlus47

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    Adjusted for emphasis.

    P.S. I think Tannehill can take the next step, but it's clear there's a huge step he needs to take.
     
  8. djphinfan

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    he ran for a first down on a designed run...one of his 2 rushing attempts....unacceptable in a game of this magnitude..
     
  9. Fins Hipster

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    That motivation needs to come from leaders among the players who show up big and make big plays in games like the one today. There was no one who fit that bill, however, and so the team had no one leading it by example. That sort of energy comes far less from the coach(es) and far more from players who play inspired, make plays, and in so doing inspire their teammates. There was no one who did that today. Baltimore on the other hand had several such players, and that difference in leadership by example is what distinguishes one team from another when their physical talent isn't all that discrepant.
     
  10. HogsHDFinsfan

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    This needs to be decided before we start looking for a coach by the ownership. Are we going to bring in someone to rebuild? If so, you cut bait with Wake, Wallace, Starks, Hartline, and every other player over five years making more than league minimum.

    If you do that, then you bring in a vet QB, draft a rookie, perhaps even keep Tannehill...draft all Oline, and TEs. You must get the QB situation and protection squared away early. That is what killed this coaching staff. They drafted Tannehill number 1, then didn't protect him. That's a losing strategy.
     
  11. DPlus47

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    Russell Wilson is running for his damned life today. And he's still making plays. Seahawks are up on the road in Philly, 17-7.

    To be fair to Tannehill, I'm not sure the coaching he has had is all that into improv.
     
  12. rtl1334

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    DJ, you do realize that rollout pass to Wallace was an excellent "playmaking" play. Too bad it was called back.

    Besides, improvisation usually doesn't come until a QB is more familiar with the system. And you need your teammates to allow you to make plays. It's tough to make plays in spite of your team at this level.
     
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  13. Fins Hipster

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    That happens far too infrequently, however. The quarterback position is a playmaking position in today's game. Plays have to be made from that position with considerable frequency if a team hopes to be highly competitive.
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    when you say pretty productive does that mean good enough to hold up in championship intensity.?
     
  15. rtl1334

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    Wilson has become a one read and run and a scramble QB. He's had three opportunities to win the game from the pocket this year and failed to convert each time.

    To each their own.
     
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  16. DPlus47

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    This is a fair point. That was a good play by Wallace, as well. I'm sure somebody will tell me Wallace doesn't make plays, or maybe that was the only play Wallace made all year?

    I think that kind of play is too few and far between for Tanny AND Wallace.
     
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    This offense can run fine if receiver do not drop balls, the oline doesn't take pre-snap penalties and you stay committed to the running game.

    It's called offensive efficiency and we don't have any right now.
     
  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Ryan is not in a very good situation, but he hasn't dhown the ability to "rise" when needed. He didn't play well when he did have time...he's got plenty of company in that department though...unless you are Lamar Miller you sucked on the offense today.
     
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  19. DPlus47

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    I don't see this. Still, I'll concede it just for the purposes of this discussion.

    Do you think maybe it might be smart to make Tannehill a one read and run QB considering he only has time to make one read, anyway?

    Or maybe it feels good to have the superior QB (according to some set of unwritten rules) to the guys who are out there, you know, winning?

    How many style points did Miami get this year for Tannehill's superior way of playing?
     
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    The one thing about making plays is that you need your oline to at least play at a borderline competent level.

    When a team can get fierce pressure without blitzing, they get to keep two safeties high.

    That's not a recipe for plays. That's a recipe for picks.
     
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  21. Fins Hipster

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    And you could argue that the QB position should be played that way league-wide. When QBs throw after 2.5 seconds, their QB ratings drop tremendously. If the first read isn't open, by all means get moving and buy yourself time and let your receivers break open downfield. Certainly Tannehill should play that way, because he's particularly non-adept and sliding around within the pocket and staying on his feet while going through the remainder of his progression.
     
  22. resnor

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    Tannehill doesn't need a superior running game. This is the kind of garbage spewed out around here that bothers me. He needs a freaking AVERAGE oline. He needs an online that doesn't allow pressure off both ends while the interior gets shoved back in his face.
     
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    Fantastic post, I like the progress...but we need more.
     
  24. Samphin

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    I agree about wanting a known entity, but who makes the short list?

    Rex Ryan?
    Jim Harbaugh? He has another year on his contract, currently.
    Mike Singletary wants to coach again
    Jon Gruden? You would have to break the bank
    Wait to see if another name becomes available? (Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak, etc.)
     
  25. resnor

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    Hipster, what pocket are you speaking of that Tannehill is supposedly inept at moving in? I watched Tannehill multiple times today attempt to climb the pocket to gain time, only to have the line shoved back into him.
     
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    But that's the sort of narrow margin for error you limit yourself to when you have no explosive playmaking ability in the passing game. Consequently you constrain yourself to playing with a level of mistake-free football that's almost impossible to attain regularly.
     
  27. rtl1334

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    Wilson clearly had opportunities to win from the pocket vs SD, Dallas and KC and was 3 or 4 and out each time (maybe there was one first down in there). Those are the facts.

    We don't know if Wilson can be that kind of player because he is supported by the best defense in the league as well as the best power back in the league.

    We'll know more once Lynch is gone and free agency hits their defense.
     
  28. Brasfin

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    You know what? I've defended Tannehill for a while here, but I think the words you used to describe him might be on the money. He just looks like he has very little ability to improvise, and when he sees something differently or when something goes wrong, he panicks and either doesn't know what to do with the ball or makes decisions a half second later.

    Granted this OL is in shambles right now, but I think he could've done more to help out his team if he really had the makeup of a good QB. I think with more time, experience and a better OL he could become a legitimate top 10 QB, but he is still far from there, and maybe the next coaching staff won't have the same patience with him as this one has had.
     
  29. resnor

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    Receivers catching balls, oline blocking, and running the ball equals a narrow margin for error?? Sounds like basic football, to me.
     
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    Absolutely 100% correct.

    See SD, Denver, Chicago and Oakland games as proof.
     
  31. DPlus47

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    Big TD throw from the Sanchize. 17-14.

    These two teams, Philly and Seattle, both have coaches from the college ranks (although Carroll was an NFL guy in college). Anybody hoping the Dolphins take another chance in that realm?
     
  32. speed

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    I'm gonna guess you don't watch all the games? Probably a box score reader?
     
  33. rtl1334

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    If you notice, Brady has been dinking and dunking since before Moss got there and since he left. When he throws deep, you see the 4 to 5 missed passes you saw in the AFC Championship last year. But of course nobody's going to point that out.

    Point is, without mental mistakes, this style of offense can be deadly.
     
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  34. Fins Hipster

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    I think part of the problem may be that Joe Philbin is trying to recreate what he had with his Super Bowl-winning Green Bay Packers, replete with trying to turn the QB into Aaron Rodgers (i.e., a pocket passer), and his QB doesn't have that ability. And if you're jamming a square peg in a round hole at QB, don't expect your team to be very competitive. Ryan Tannehill should've been fashioned much more into a Russell Wilson type than an Aaron Rodgers type.
     
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  35. DPlus47

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    Once Wilson has made a serious run at 2 rings, THEN we'll know if he's a decent QB? Okay.

    Watch the game that's on right now. Philly is getting pressure without blitzing, and Lynch doesn't have room to run. But that's a recipe for picks, not for success!

    I get it. Wilson could lose this game today. Still, he's out there with the offense on his shoulders trying like hell to get it done. I'd take that anytime.
     
  36. speed

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    Green Bay has a much better O line. It all starts there.
     
  37. Fin-Omenal

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    I'm really going to miss this guy in a week.
     
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    Do you want to know what? Until the oline isn't in shambles you won't know if you have an elite QB or not.

    No personnel man will make a negative assessment of a QB because 2-3 of his linemen are brutally inept and the QB struggled to overcome it.

    You must realize, they were in the backfield in 2 seconds with 3 and 4 rushers. That leave 7 or 8 in coverage.

    What do you expect your QB to do?
     
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  39. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I'd sign him to 10 years.
     
  40. speed

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    This bunch of clowns expects him to throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs.

    So little football knowledge here.

    Wow.
     

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