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Mark Brunell, Teddy bruschi has something to say about Ryan.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 3, 2014.

  1. dWreck

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  2. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I don't think you want to put cold water on a burn...try lukewarm. Lol
     
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  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    .... or just submerge his head in the tub for 4 or 5 minutes. That aught'a do the trick.
     
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  4. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    GD... dunno who makes me laugh the hardest, Todd, FinD, or Alex, who always comes across as a crotchety old bast@rd yelling at a bunch of kids to get off his fkn lawn. lol...

    :lol:
     
  5. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    speaking of which, use the damn sidewalk, ManBoobs!
     
  6. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Liked it better when you were the anal-cyst formerly known as penisational.
     
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  7. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    that's the anal cyst formerly known as penisational formerly known as Toddsphins to you, Jiggles.
     
  8. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    But great players rise to the occasion. Do you want a QB saying, "oh well I scored 36 points not my fault" or do you want a QB saying, "if they score 45 I need to score 46." You can't look at a stat sheet or score board at the end of the game and assign blame. That's lazy. You want a QB that will grab the game by it's neck and wring it. If they scored 36, but your defense was weak and you need a first down to seal the game, you goddamn right we want our QB to get that first down and if he doesn't, then he beats himself up over it and works to make sure he doesn't let that happen again.

    The more seconds tick off that game clock, the more imperative each play becomes. Did Tannehill's performance lose the game? No. Could he have done just slightly more to win it? Yes. This is a defense that just gave him 36 points. All he needs is a first down ... He didn't lose the game, but he didn't win it either. Which is what Bruschi's and Brunell are arguing.
     
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  9. Califin

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    I'm not too concerned about RT, but rather the Philbin vs Harbaugh match up, particularly if we end up in another fourth quarter nail biter. Harbaugh's no slouch on the sideline, as I recall he out-schemed his brother on route to winning a Superbowl. Ultimately the game is won and lost on the field, but late in the fourth, if it comes down to some decisive, crunch time judgement calls, Philbin might get taken to school.
     
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  10. Fins Hipster

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    And not losing the game but not winning it either is exactly the phrase that best captures his overall play at the present time.
     
  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Dear god, pay attention people........


    TANNEHILL WAS OFF THE FIELD WITH THE LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Then no QB is great. You've literally invented a benchmark that is unattainable. All QBs with significant starts have lost games by throwing picks, inc, taking sacks, not getting firsts, etc.

    Jesus, Peyton Manning is a consensus HoF and arguably the greatest ever......did you the SB??!?!?!?
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Am I missing something?? I thought we won last week. Why all the fuss?
     
  14. dWreck

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    He did enough to win it. That's why the team was in the lead with him on the sideline. He did his job. We can nitpick all day but if the defense would have held their own, on multiple occasions when they HAD to, this wouldn't be a discussion. Everyone could always "do more". The defense could have done ALOT more. No one on the planet expected us to go to Denver and almost pass our season high points in a game. My post was merely for a few people who seemed incapable of putting ANY blame on the defense. Which is ridiculous. I'm not unwilling to acknowledge that it's a team game and the loss rests on the whole team. However at some point the defense needs to be held accountable for folding over and over with the game on the line... and our offense putting up 36 away @DEN is a good example of one of those times
     
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  15. ASOT

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    My fear as well
     
  16. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Ryan certainly has some gaps in his game but let's be honest, his supporting cast needs to step up too. Tom Brady looks pedestrian when his guys aren't catching the football and he's getting pressured. When Manning is getting pressured and sacked he turns into a turnover machine.

    Now by all means, RTH is nowhere near those guys. But at the same time, our OL is much better than last year. And they still are not good. Our WR's need to step up and make plays. Wallace should have made that catch for a TD last week. QB is the most important position but this is a team sport.
     
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  17. resnor

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    mlb, hang around a little more, and you'll realize that Tannehill is to blame for all our struggles. Until then, please continue posting rational thoughts.
     
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  18. KeyFin

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    I wasn't trying to insult...I just said his statistics are inaccurate and the rest of his post focuses on Tannehill's best game and the defense's worst game over the past 3 years. In an "Intelligent debate" though, it wouldn't be necessary to point that out.
     
  19. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    My statistics are accurate according to the 4 different sites I linked....and the 0 you used to dispute it... So unfortunately your numbers are incorrect, and mine still stand.

    I didn't bring up the Denver game initially. Not sure why you are acting like I did. My post was a response to the ongoing convo in the thread at the time of it's post, a subject you helped start by being one of the people to bring up the Denver game in the first place. Hurr Durr. Herp.

    People are blaming Tannehill for not running out the clock more, which is fine. But the point remains that our defense gave up more than double our average points allowed for a single game. MORE THAN DOUBLE...... And the offense scored more points than anyone would have imagined going into Denver. And let's please not pretend this is the first time the Defense has crumbled when it was needed most. I'll repeat that the loss is squarely on the team as a whole and you typically cannot pinpoint something specific to blame a loss on because there are too many factors, but the D has been making it really easy as of late... And Tannehill would be one of the LAST people I would look at in that regard.

    ***Also, You keep calling Denver his "best game" when his best game in damn near EVERY STATISTICAL CATEGORY FOR A QB was the San Diego game. Chicago was also better, so it's not even his second best.
    But yeah, MY info is wrong. :lol:

    Just stop.
     
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  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Our offense was 5/5 in the red zone against Denver with zero field goals, which statistically is the best showing of Tannehill's career by an extremely wide margin. I've already stated that twice though, and you ignored it twice....which is the only reason we're going for round #3. The same goes for the defense having one of their worst performances in three years. Do you really want to keep arguing these exact same things over and over again?

    Because it's hard to say we're still talking about football when our D has been at the top of the league for years and our offense has been at the bottom. Then suddenly we lose to Denver and the Tannehill rah-rah's find one more excuse to put the blame on....or defense sucks. It's so ridiculous that it's almost amusing.
     
  21. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    You continue to ignore the impact of losing both Taylor and James in that game. Our running game disappeared after the loss of James and the Broncos passing game was largely held in check until we lost Taylor. One of the key plays in the game was Taylor giving up the 3rd and 20 conversion on the double move and Wilson was a penalty machine.

    To their credit, the offense scored well over it's normal average output ppg, while the defense gave up well over it's average points allowed per game. Not sure why you're continuing this argument that the loss was on the offense.

    The defense registered exactly 1 hit and 1 sack on Peyton. The Broncos converted 9 of 13 (69%) on 3rd down and ran 71 offensive plays, racking up 450 total yards at 6.3 ypp and had almost a 10 min advantage in TOP. In the 4th qtr, the Broncos scored 3 TDs.

    Regardless of Tannehill's performance - the defense sucked a bag that game...
     
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  22. resnor

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    I don't care where our defense ranks statistically, because it's simply a case of statistics not telling the whole story. You can't look at what it defense does on third down, and how we fold in the fourth, and call us a top defense. The only thing consistent about our defense is that on third and long, no offense fears us. 3rd and 15? No problem. We'll give you 20. 4th down? No problem. We'll give your receiver a 15 yard cushion. One play, no timeouts? Don't worry. We'll give your receiver a 10 yard cushion AND let him have the sideline!!
     
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  23. dWreck

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    Gonna have to chalk this one up as you "refusing to read, and writing words, just to" Because I'm not sure how you've read anything I've said and mustered up these responses. So, In your world, "Tannehills" "best game" was Denver, because OUR WHOLE OFFENSE was 5/5 in the red zone, which is great, but I'm wrong because I'm going by "his" own personal stats to say what "his" "best game" was...... Yeah, zero substance as if you're not even reading what I said and you're arguing just to argue.

    So ... Not even talking about just the Denver game, because I did mention more than one game in my post anyway, (but here we are acting like I didn't). I assume the 3+ games that our Defense has choked in the final waning minutes was never their fault as well? Just more games that Tannehill has cost us with his mistakes?

    :dunno:
     
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  24. dWreck

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    I love our defense and the potential it has (and should be playing at.... 'why' it isn't could be argued ad infinitum). The injuries and suspensions obv sucked, but the inconsistencies have been a damn shame more than anything. They really need to start locking down the 4th quarter, and our D-line needs to stop pulling the disappearing act and get beyond being 'selectively' clutch. Frustrating.
     
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  25. djphinfan

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    if you don't think the post was insulting you might wanna read it again..if after reading it again you don't see how it was, then ill point it out to you if you wish, but id rather not.
     
  26. GARDENHEAD

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    We suck. ESPN hacks were right.

    Quit complaining about the media and look inward.
     
  27. dWreck

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    Good thing our Defense played lights out and Tannehill cost us another game! Lololololololololololololol.
     
  28. resnor

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    Hahaha
     
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  29. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    The team rolled over and died AGAIN. THE SAME WAY WE'VE TALKING ABOUT FOR PAGES.

    Waiting for the same crowd to come in and somehow..... some way.... find a way to blame Tannehill for this.

    Waiting...

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    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

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  31. jdang307

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    Once again, you fail.

    Tannehill has NEVER been at the top. Brady has. Manning has. Rodgers has. Brees has. Big Ben has. Tanny hasn't. They are great. Tanny isn't yet. They have all done enough to help carry their team to the promised land. They didn't tag along like Eli, or Dilfer, or Brad Johnson. They play at the pinnacle of their position and they carried their team to the end.

    (Yes I know Marino hasn't but he was the best passer ever, team just couldn't put it together around him).

    So no, you invented an unattainable benchmark by misunderstanding my post, which is pretty much par for the course for you. The benchmark I have set, the one Brunell and Bruschi are arguing, is one where a player can get hot and carry their team even when they're not firing on all cylinders. Whether it took 15 points to win that day, or 40. They are presented with a set of circumstances, and they overcome it. You don't judge that by looking at a stat sheet.

    He ain't losing any games but he's not taking full control either. Last week we barely eeked the Jets. This week we score 13. I still think Tanny can be that guy, but it is not wrong for people to question whether he is or isn't because he has NOT shown it yet.
     
  32. Vinny Fins

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    If this is Ryan Tannehill's fault I hold Mother Teresa responsible for 9/11.
     
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  33. resnor

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    Brady won Super Bowls running the type of offense Tannehill has to run. Vinatieri won some big games for them.
     
  34. Vinny Fins

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    Caleb Sturgis isn't Adam Vinatieri. Or even drunk Mike Vanderjact.
     
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    Tanny isn't Brady either.
     
  36. Vertical Limit

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    People still say these things about Brady? Wow that would have been relevant to say 12 years ago.
     
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  37. Stitches

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    It wasn't a slight against Brady or anything, it's a fact. The Super Bowl winning 2004 Patriots had a grand total of two passing TDs where the total yardage gained was 40+ yds, and the long pass of the year for them was 50 yds.
     
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  38. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    It's a very simple up down yes no vote.

    I do'nt believe Tannehill is a problem. I don't believe he is holding this team back.

    You can feel free to disagree....







    ...and be wrong :)
     
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  39. Stitches

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    Brady wasn't Brady as he is now in his 3rd season of starting either.
     
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  40. resnor

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    Right...I wasn't trying to bag on Brady, I think he's great. I'm trying to point out the ridiculous complaints right now.
     

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