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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 7, 2014.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I made this point earlier, how much percentage of rogers game is based on improv?...id say at least 30 percent of the time he's bailing the pocket or resetting his platform within the pocket..

    ryan is at 0 to 5...


    having scored 13 points at home in playoff intensity and having 2 carries, carries of the designed variety, with this type of skill set, knowing what we know, its unacceptable..
     
  2. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    DJ...I know you put alot of watching tape and games etc. To come to your conclusions today and I agree 100%
     
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  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the one thing about wilsons playmaking ability..its relentless
     
  4. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    I'll take a 4-2 postseason record any day of the week. If they had any talent on that roster whatsoever they'd be in the thick of things in the AFC. I never said he was a perfect coach, far from it, just a clear upgrade over what we have now.
     
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  5. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    That's because you are not looking for stability, you are looking for a quick fix of high.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    not at all..try not to take the convo out of context.
     
  7. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if anyone is calling it a drop. It was sh**y effort while RTH was under duress and needed his "playmaker" to make a play. It certainly should have and could have been thrown better.

    I also think we need to stop with the RTH haters vs Wallace haters vs other haters. EVERYONE is just tired of losing and there are a lot of culprits here.
     
  8. rtl1334

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    There's no mischaracterization. He is not a pocket passer and that works for Seattle. If he was truly great, he would have done more with those chances against KC, Dallas and SD. We're talking like 3 and 4 and out with the game on the line. That is not greatness that's Doug Flutie.

    What a lot of people do, and you may be one I don't know, is they look solely at results and make determinations. This is how so many people in the NFL determine greatness. Like T-Hill hasn't gotten his team to the playoffs so he sucks and that Wilson has won a SB so he's obviously great. It's an easy way to look at the world but it's not reality. It's far far more complex than that.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    your thoughts on 1st and 5 early in the game in their territory, followed by 3 strait runs?,
     
  10. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Most of that winning came with Mangini's players I hate to say. It is just that I would like better coach this time... that is much better is all I am saying.
     
  11. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like he's already had a "fix". Several of them actually.
     
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  12. 77FinFan

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    Carroll coached in the NFL before I'm pretty sure.


    In terms of dropped balls I know it happens to other teams, but I also feel like other teams make more plays than our receivers do.
     
  13. rtl1334

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    Brady has been doing that for years. But the part that most here miss, and is not surprising, is that teams are getting to the QB in two seconds with 3 and 4 down linemen. If teams can get to the QB that quickly without blitzing, who on earth is going to be open with 3 to 4 guys just starting their routes and seven defenders in coverage.

    This isn't very complex.
     
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  14. muscle979

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    Just keeping someone around for stability's sake is not really the answer. The reason the most winning franchises are so stable is because they have the right people in place. Harbaugh did not take over three years to start winning in Baltimore. [And wouldn't the philosophy of stability have dictated they just leave Billick in place?] Tomlin did not take over three years to start winning in Pittsburgh. You see where I'm going with this. I agree we can't hit reset after every failed season but I think we've seen what we've got in Philbin. Some people just think this roster could make the playoffs under the right leadership.
     
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  15. DolphinGreg

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    To me, that comes from being able to see the field. Roesthlisberger is another QB who is great and avoiding the rush and seeing his options downfield.

    Tannehill, who will make some bold throws when he has times, still doesn't have the ability to see the field when has gets the chance.

    Do you think that kind of "vision" can be learned?
     
  16. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Watching the Dolphins makes me wish I was under the influence of something but alas I work for the government.
     
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  17. DolphinGreg

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    But aren't those bad examples since those franchises were mostly solid and just needed new head coaches?

    I mean, shouldn't we be looking for comparisons in guys who had to more or less start from scratch?

    Just trying to keep it fair.
     
  18. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    But I don't believe we need to start from scratch. I think we're in similar situations. I'm not advocating getting rid of the GM.
     
  19. DPlus47

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    This is true. This team doesn't need to be rebuilt. It needs a quick fix. And a little bit of depth at some key positions. JMO, of course.
     
  20. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    You think we are in similar situation as Steelers, Packers, Ravens as a franchise?

    Dude, it's like you hibernated from 1973 to 2013.
     
  21. DolphinGreg

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    Yeah, I can't attack that.

    If you told me there was a way to replace Philbin without disrupting the general direction of the team, you'd have my attention.

    There are definitely things we need to improve. The play calling and game planning really left something to be desired at times.

    I can't offer up a good excuse for that. I could only hope it would improve with time.

    Both Philbin and Lazor are, I think, still learning how to properly manage games.
     
  22. Fin-Omenal

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    I couldn't agree more, someone earlier said Wallace has dropped 2 TDs in 2 weeks...that was the reply. I like Tannehill long term, but he is far from a complete QB at this point. Any remark about what Ryan is doing poorly is subject to being overwhelmed with fairy tales. (Like the play one guy wanted to call a drop) it's pathetic.
     
  23. muscle979

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    A new field general and a good offseason. I think Tannehill is good enough to win with. The last two Super Bowl champs have not had any of the 'elite' guys under center.
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    just so were clear what is it your trying to say about wilson?
     
  25. muscle979

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    The Ravens had just finished a 5 win season, underachieving with Brian Billick as their head coach. They had a GM they liked and a roster they mostly liked. Billick won a Super Bowl with them in 2000 but they felt like he wasn't getting it done so they went in a different direction. Harbaugh took over and took them deep into the playoffs immediately and two years ago they won another Super Bowl. I guess you're just not agreeing with me about the current talent level of the Dolphins roster. Either that or you don't like our GM.
     
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  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree, ryan is the best qb we've had since dan.
     
  27. Vertical Limit

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    Philbin is just one of several problems. We have a talent problem. On defense it's our linebackers. On offense it's so many I don't even know where to begin. All I know is, Landry and Lamar Miller has won me over, I was down on Miller earlier this year said he was a backup at best, the guy is playing beyond my expectations. Could still use another running back.

    Everyone else, we need replacements and we need competition for Tannehill. Does not have to be a high investment, a 3rd/4th round quarterback will do. His seat needs to start to get hot. The guy needs to perform like a playoff caliber quarterback or be done with him.
     
  28. vt_dolfan

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    I agree.. I think Ryan needs to start playing with a chip on his shoulder. Would have given anything to see him yank Dallas face mask and go... Either block or get the **** off field
     
  29. DPlus47

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    This wasn't directed at me, but I'm amazed hearing on this board how limited Wilson is with his reads and throws because 10 different Seahawks caught passes today. I watched the game, but I'm sure I'll be told that I didn't, or that I watched a different game. Maybe the NFL will start awarding those style points next year. That could have made today's game against the Ravens a single digit result.
     
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  30. muscle979

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    Yeah it would have been nice. Watching the game I tried to remember if I'd ever seen someone block so poorly when Marino was playing. I feel like he would have been screaming at some guys in the huddle if so.
     
  31. resnor

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    Fin, I wasn't saying it was a drop today. I was pointing out his ****ty effort.
     
  32. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I don't agree that we have that talent. I dont see Suggs, Ngata, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, I don't see that level of talent. I don't see Big Ben, A Rodgers, T Smith, Steve Smith, Antonio Brown.

    We are not those organization which draft and acquire talent and have a system where they can flourish. We have not been that. We want to be that. And under Philbin we are moving in that direction, specifically this year that Ireland is out, that is the most important thing, not the quick fix of high.
     
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I actually don't look at team results, i look in isolation..great individual play at the position can lead to great team results.

    your making a contradiction..saying that russell wilson lost three games because his offense had three an outs on game winning drives and summarizing that he is doug flutie is just...funny..

    I like when folks go on the record about russell wilsons qbing...feel free to discuss, maybe you and slow will agree.
     
  34. vt_dolfan

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    I did hear Colin Cowherd talk about the times Teams have forced RW to stay in the pocket.. He's lost. I do think he has issues at times with his height
     
  35. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm saying make a play out of nothing, is that too much to ask for from our qb, I'm saying when your protection is this bad, you have to have more than 0 attempts at running the ball past the los on your own...thats what I'm saying..
     
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  36. finsfan43

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    TY Resnor..New member here. In order to step up in a pocket a said pocket has to exist. Yes refs were horrible today, changed a drive that would at least scored 3. The lack of imagination and tempo by Lazor is unbelievable. Unless Tanny is a complete moron and can't learn or change plays. What about WR? How any times do we watch other teams ie Den, GB, NE and they get separation! Wallace was over paid by Ireland(AssClown) because we (Fans) called fro someone to stretch field. Give me a CJ, DB or the rookie beckham. That is a true #1. Sorry for the rant, but this is getting old. I believe in Tanny especially since he has the least amount of starting and pocket experience compared to all other starting QB's. He ran the damn Wing-T in high school for crying out loud! Okay taking a breath.. changes do need tohappen but as fans are we ready for another two to three years of rebuilding?
     
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  37. Fins Hipster

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    Rodgers is one of the few QBs in the league whose QB rating is higher on throws made after 2.5 seconds than on ones made in 2.5 seconds or faster.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    he's doug flutie don't you know.

    his team went three and out a couple times this year at the end of the game..so I guess what he's accomplished thus far individually and team wise is moot.

    like i said, i love hearing negative analysis on russell wilson...its funny..
     
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  39. Limbo

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    We have decent talent overall. What we don't have is enough premier players (Wake and maybe Grimes would be it), game-changing elite types of guys.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    so why is his team winning again..shouldn't they have bottled that blueprint up?

    back on topic, did you feel a sense of a conservative approach to the game..?

    ya know once again, not one deep attempt, I know there was one half roll that was designed to go deep and tannehill didn't have the time, but that was it..
     

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