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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 7, 2014.

  1. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    Baltimore's Achilles heel this year has been safety play. I mean they've been borderline terrible back there. And yet...we dink and we dunk.
     
  2. Brasfin

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    I think the most obvious reasons for this year's lack of success (so far) is:

    1) Lack of depth at key positions
    2) The team's inability to close out games


    The first one stems from past failures at acquiring and developing talent... it was impossible for Hickey to fix everything in one year, though he tried his best. We had some bad luck losing two of Hickey's FA acquisitions during the year (Moreno and most importantly, Albert) and we didn't have that strong of a plan B. All of our CB's injuries were really bad for us as well, and it's hard to fault the GM when 3 of your top 4 guys go down... If Albert and Finnegan had played this game, things might have ended up differently.

    The second one is directly related to coaching, IMO. We already have a good core group of young players set and I think another year of good talent acquisition and other players developing (Billy Turner, Jordan Tripp, Fede) along with some better coaching, and we could get into the playoffs as early as next season.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    a qb should not be stepping up if there is nowhere to step up...Im critiquing a part of his game...saying that the book is out on being a franchise caliber qb...and that the improv part of his game is not there..
     
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  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    DJ, how the EFF are you going to go deep when your line can't block for more than 2 seconds?? Come on, man. I get it we need (want) deep shots, but the times Tannehill seemed to be looking deep, he was getting swarmed in like 2 seconds.
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Also, a QB can scramble to the right if the left side collapses...or to the left if the right side collapses...or up the middle (like Flacco did) if the sides collapse. However, when the DEs are coming around both our tackles, and the NT is coming up the middle, shoving your center backwards, there's just no place for your QB to escape to. No matter how much you want it, there just isn't. Especially when the pressure is coming in less than 3 seconds, without rushing any extra guys.
     
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  6. djphinfan

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    I will respond with, if your online doesn't allow you the time its hard to call plays that are designed to go deep..theres always ways to get a couple shots...especially when you have 1st and 5.
     
  7. rtl1334

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    What I am saying is that he's not skilled pocket passer. The team didn't succeed in these situations but he was clearly having trouble passing in a situation where the opposition knew he was going to pass. I still think he benefits greatly from often having leads with their great defense and the threat of the run. Once the dynamics shift from these circumstances, he often struggles.

    I am not doubting his skill as a scrambler. He is excellent at what he does but if he's truly great, we won't know for sure until he's consistently put in those situations with a leaky defense and no running game.
     
  8. vt_dolfan

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    He didn't have alot of time to move outside either though but look at that ****in throw he made running to Wallace that got called back by a BS penalty.. How many QBs can make a 31 yard throw low and outside perfect on a dead run
     
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  9. djphinfan

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    lol, i responded, and I know our online sucks, and I know ryan is under great pressure, but I need to see some level of improv to think we can win a championship, and there are always lanes where a qb can run thru to threaten a defense, but it has to be on one condition, and that is because he's conscious that it is an effective play...sorry, that consciousness is not there at this point, and if he wants to be the guy who gets us there, he's going to have to learn of its importance...just my opinion..
     
  10. finsfan43

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    Agree no deep threat.. but who is that on coaching or tanny? where is Wallace in the slot quick slant. stop the bubble screen!!!
     
  11. DolphinGreg

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    I've been knocking Joe Flacco but today I realized--and it might have had nothing to do with today's game--but Flacco is underrated.

    He's as cool and calm as anyone and his intermediate and deep throws are things of beauty.

    He's never going to be Peyton Manning but there's a reason Flacco was drafted where he was and after 5 or so years, I have to admit, the Ravens made a good choice.
     
  12. vt_dolfan

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    He did that today.. But haven't seen you recognize it
     
  13. rtl1334

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    I would like to see more too. As for ability, I was very impressed with that scramble pass to Wallace. I don't more than 5 or 6 QBs in the league make this throw.

    You are right in the sense that T-Hill has to get back to wheeling. It's our only chance of winning the next three.

    Remember, Lazor said that T-Hill loves to run so if he's not running more, this has to be a coaching decision.
     
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  14. DolphinGreg

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    To me, that comes from being able to see the field. Roesthlisberger is another QB who is great at avoiding the rush and seeing his options downfield.

    Tannehill, who will make some bold throws when he has times, still doesn't have the ability to see the field when has gets the chance.

    Do you think that kind of "vision" can be learned?
     
  15. pmj

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    Nobody should really be opposed to a QB that our gm feels may be a steal round 3 or lower, maybe a 2.

    I do feel the OLine needs to be fixed, period. It's not just a...well he needs one more thing, I think that you NEED a competent OLine to win in this league, short of having Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben. EVERY Other traditional QB looks like straight garbage with the time Ryan had today, including Brady, Manning (both), Rivers, etc. We had a decent line with Albert, but once you have someone as weak as Thomas, everything falls apart.

    I've been done with Philbin, but these past few weeks have cemented it. His queasiness rubs off on the team and the team has NO will to come back from the other teams best punch. The team acts like most posts in the game thread, where as soon as we don't have a lead, they think we lost already.
     
  16. finsfan43

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    That was my point he can't step up..the O line sux still.. He played with improve against Oakland and Chargers. It seemed like this game again he was rained in. To me that is coaching. we have already heard Lazor does not like when he runs.
     
  17. rtl1334

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    Our Achilles Heel (Dallas Thomas) neutralizes their Achilles Heel.
     
  18. djphinfan

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    wilson outsmarts you, he figures out how to beat your defense, and he will take every measure to move the chains, every down will be exhausted..sometimes, like every qb in the nfl, he will be put in some situations where he fails to win..when it counts, when the games really matter, the downs are at there most critical, he will win the majority of the time..enough times to carry you to championship levels..will he win every time, no, but your forgetting a couple things, wait til they furnish him with a balance of weapons..hes doing this with one great running back and his own skill set.

    keep talking though about how bad a pocket passer he is, I dig it..
     
  19. DPlus47

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    I know you didn't ask me, and I'd love to hear DJ's thoughts on it, but I'd like to chime in.

    I think it can be "learned" in a way, because when you're new to something, your head is full of thoughts and your job isn't all that easy. Soon, a lot of the thoughts fall away and certain things become automatic, and then you can start to do more. I think Tannehill did a little bit of this in the second half against Green Bay. It was the first time I had seen it out of him, and I'm hoping that we'll see more as the game continues to slow down for him.
     
  20. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    We beat the Pats, and the Jets just last week, after taking their best punch. We came back against the Lions to take the lead in the fourth.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    wow...was my response..how many times have you seen me say, '' he's lethal on the run''...how bout the other one along the sideline early?
     
  22. rtl1334

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    Look at it from this perspective, if T-Hill has Seattle's defense, we beat GB, Detroit and Denver...and maybe even KC. That's three more wins for sure and would have us at 10-3.

    Just food for thought.

    And yes...Wilson is not a skilled pocket passer. It is what it is.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    i give you credit, welcome to the dark side side, its lonely here I tell ya..I've had him as a very good qb thru all the bashing, high on him in the draft..worth every bit where they got him, and then some.
     
  24. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    If Seattle has Bill Lazor, they lose 5 more games, cause they are passing, all the time.
     
  25. DolphinGreg

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    Haha...you both made excellent points! ;)
     
  26. rtl1334

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    I'm not hard on Lazor. He's very smart and he's learning. He does, however, abandon the run far too soon and has suddenly forgot about the read option.
     
  27. vt_dolfan

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    It's not really debatable man.. Look at his passing numbers from the pocket
     
  28. DolphinGreg

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    I agree, but our offense goes 3 and out quite a bit in those crucial points in the game when everyone in the stadium knows the momentum has turned and that it's do or die. Those disappointments put a lot of strain on the defense, who bailed us out quite a bit last year as I recall. We didn't get those last game breaks this year though.

    I think the story of the Green Bay and Detroit games went far beyond the final seconds of those games.

    And you're right, what if somehow we had a 1 or 2 game cushion? What would people be saying about this team? About Philbin? About Tannehill?
     
  29. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Lazor has ruined us this year. For no good reason his playcalling has been favoring pass heavily.
     
  30. DolphinGreg

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    There's no good reason for that either when you think about it...?
     
  31. TooGoodForDez

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    No good reason other than sheer caprice.
     
  32. rtl1334

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    Look at those situations. In each situation we revert to run, run, pass or run, pass, run (that was disgusting). We lose our imagination in those situations and become very predictable. The opposition knows this based on Philbin's intestinal fortitude. They know he will become conservative in those situations.

    If you're going for the jugular, you start with the read option, rollout with a run/pass option or play fake with an intermediate pass. You know a first down run will get stuffed.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    its to late man...underutilization of the qbs skill set, by both the qb and the coordinator has been a good part of the reason why we will be home for the playoffs..

    lots of folks wanted to protect him or didn't think we needed it, or simply don't believe in the dual threat, you got what you wanted..
     
  34. djphinfan

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    but the name of the position is qb, not pocket passer VT..ok I'm curious whats his pocket numbers?
     
  35. rtl1334

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    I do recall the NE game where Moreno just gashed the Pats. He did it with physicality between the tackles. This is the element that Miller does not give us. He is too susceptible to a two yard loss. Not to mention, Miller is a poor receiver and a below average blocker.

    This is why I think Lazor gets away from the run. If we still had Moreno, I bet we would have better balance.
     
  36. djphinfan

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    :knucks:

    in those crucial situations, your best plays are the ones that should be called..its imperative because of the line to keep him out of 2nd and 3rd and long..

    your playacting example is dead imo...or even vice versa.
     
  37. MrClean

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    I kind of went back and forth before on whether or not Dallas Thomas was worse at RT than Jon Martin, but there is no doubt now. Dallas is definitely the worst of the two and it is inarguable to me.
     
  38. jcliving

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    I would not fire them. That would nearly ensure more mediocrity
     
  39. RickyBobby

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    Re-sign odrick, clay and pouncey.

    Get harbaugh. Bring Gore home.
     
  40. jldolfan

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    That has got to be one of the most short sided statements I've ever read. We are home for the playoffs because our vaunted defense couldn't make a stop at crucial times and a p#ssy for a coach. This narrative you keep drubbing on and on about about the QB not running, get over it! He's not Wilson or kaper-what's his face, but that doesn't mean he can't be an effective QB. When he has the time ( more than 2 seconds) he's played fairly well.
     

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