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Give me 5 reasons why Philbin should be retained ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ASOT, Dec 8, 2014.

  1. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You mean the guy who is in fact in charge of the whole team? Never......
     
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  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Its not about whether he should or shouldn't have to. Its the fact that as a head coach he isn't any of the things you look for.

    Not a motivator
    Not a superior X and O guy
    Doesn't create a fundamentally sound team
    Doesn't step in when needed.

    Lazor is an entirely different debate as its obvious he hasn't seen eye to eye with Joe on everything.

    As for Wake, he's almost always double or triple teamed. When he dominates a game its usually not bad coaching on the other side. Usually.
     
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  3. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised you'd say that given your background in coaching. You of all people should know that coaches don't block, tackle, pass, cover, etc. If you want to know why a game went the way it did you watch the tape. Blaming the coaches is amateurish, and beneath you, imo. No offense...
     
  4. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the only real reason worth mentioning for retaining Philbin is continuity. That's been well explained here by others.

    Outside of continuity, I dont see any other reason's really. Maybe... just maybe you could say with all of the injuries we've got, to even be in the talks for playoff contention is a miracle in and of it self. Of course, then you factor in the two (at least) games we lost likely due to some poor coaching decisions, and it really makes you wonder.

    However, it continuity is the reason for keeping Philbin... while we all understand the reasons to do have stability in the system and such, we've seen 3 seasons, all pretty similar. Especially the last two. In the position to control our own destiny and get into the playoffs, and we come up short. Philbin, rather than being replaced last year with the GM was given the chance to replace his co-ordinators. Coyle stayed, Sherman out, Lazor in. I don't see a scenario now where you say... OK Joe, you didn't make the playoffs again, close by no cigar. So... we'll let you stay if you move on from Coyle this time. Lets try that and see what happens. I just don't think you can expect major changes, without the major change itself happening at head coach.

    Said it before, will say it again. Philbin was a good choice to get us out of the mess we were in, he helped change the culture, stabilize the team and help to improve it, but now I think we're seeing with his career .500 record that it's all he's ever going to be. Average. He's done his job here, now it's time to find the right guy to take us where we need to go.

    I personally want continuity in the system, absolutely, but not when said continuity will lead to what we've already gotten from him year in, year out. How many chances does this guy get to be average?
     
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  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    1. not his fault players get injured
    2. not his fault he's stuck with Mike Wallace, Ellerbe, Wheeler's bloated contracts and poor scheme fits.
    3. not his fault players can't tackle/block/listen execute what they should do in their sleep.
    4. he fired his OC last year and hired someone better... he can do the same with the defense.
    5. continuity with the offensive system and a progressing Ryan Tannehill.
     
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  6. 3Pmi

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    I'm a fan on an Internet message board making observations of personality traits, not a psychologist making an official diagnosis. I think I have a little leeway in that regard, but perhaps I should revise my statement to be less authoritative, lest anyone get confused.

    "When your coach displays a large number of traits common to Asperger's or high-functioning autism, you should be concerned." ...there, how's that?

    I should start off by saying that I believe that, outside of a X & O's coach like Payton or McCarthy who call their own plays, a head coach's influence over a team is largely big picture. I see strong leadership as a requirement to do that successfully. You're tasked with setting the tone of the team, coordinating different expertise among the coaching staff into a unified strategy, getting players to buy into your approach, creating unity among people with wildly varying socioeconomic backgrounds, etc.

    If you are as socially awkward as various interviews, locker room clips, and Hardknocks episodes consistently show Philbin to be* then I think that severely affects his capability to be viewed as a strong leader. It causes him to appear uninvolved*, distant*, out of touch*, and unrelatable*. It causes him to avoid confrontation rather than meet it head on*, letting dissent build* and uncomfortable situations like "bullygate" to fester unaddressed*. His OCD* tendencies cause him to focus on inconsequential minutia such as tied shoes, gum wrappers, and bathroom breaks* rather than on bigger picture issues like team morale, identity, and effort*.

    * - Personal observation, no official diagnosis implied.
     
  7. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I'm not making my point clearly, my bad. What I'm saying is that is that Philbin's flaws, which are real, are not the sole or even decisive factors in whether the team wins or loses. They're an easy explanation for those looking to find one.

    Blaming the HC, or the refs, or any singular culprit is always going to be wrong IMO. Philbin hasn't lost or won any games on his own.

    If we had a juggernaut squad that was underperforming I'd understand but we don't have that and no one who's even remotely honest would claim otherwise. We have a slightly above average team that's playing slightly above average.
     
  8. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So do you believe the HC of a football team makes little or no difference? where do you make a judgement of moving on or keeping one. For the most part, Don't you think the HC has to take the hit for the results since he is in charge? I get that there are a lot of other factors but the buck stops on the head guy in charge...no?
     
  9. FinFan4ever

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    Who is going to pick up the gum wrappers off the field if he is gone .
     
  10. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Another consideration is the risk of firing your coach. Depending on candidates available, the odds a new guy is going to come in and do better than .500 are not great. Even when you're talking about a "proven" guy. Just look at what Lovie Smith has done in Tampa Bay. Not much. That's why we have to be very careful as fans for what we wish for. The fact that to this point, Philbin still appears to be improving is what would make me not so quick to fire him. But if I were the GM, I'd be paying a lot of attention to these last 3 games. Get embarrassed by the Patsies, and drop either one or both of the Jets / Vikings game, then there isn't any improvement and I'd have really no confidence in Philbin going forward.
     
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  11. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How in the hell does Philbin appear to be improving?

    Early on in his tenure, there was at least some sense of boldness. That's been long gone.
     
  12. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree with a lot of your post. But as a long time fan, really not scared of taking a chance to move on from mediocrity. 7-9 8-8 and 9-7? may seem like improvements, but in all three cases, lost almost in every big spot and hugely disappointed. I could be on board for keeping things intact, just not scared about moving on.
     
  13. ElNino

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    This is the big one for me. We go grab someone else, chances are much better that we endure more rebuilding than getting the current team to the next level - case in point, TB this year. Lovie Smith is hired, everyone says they will improve greatly...not so much. Once the next three games play out, it will be evident if moving on becomes the better risk. After that loss it should be easy to see if the players give up on Philbin and how Philbin himself responds to the issues on the field - both personnel and scheme. For me, the next 3 games will be telling if we truly need to move on to another coach.

    EDIT: Should have read MonstBlitz's post first...yeah what he said....
     
  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    In the most important measurement of any head coach's success. Wins and Losses. But this assumes his team wins at least 2 out of the next 3 games.
     
  15. rtl1334

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    There's only one opinion that matters and that is Steven Ross.

    If I recall correctly, Ross was interviewed before the season and he emphasized the need for continuity and that continuity is the key to winning in this league. I think he even stated that making the playoffs was not essential for Philbin to stay employed.

    If we go 9-7 in a tough conference, I am not convinced that burning this thing to the ground is the right thing to do.

    Having said that I am indifferent to Philbin and if he is fired...oh well.
     
  16. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Our opinions aren't that different. I wouldn't be upset if Philbin was fired. I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation of an owner to expect a playoff appearance in the first 3 years of a coach's tenure. And barring a huge upset this Sunday, that's not going to happen. But I also won't be furious if he gets another chance to see if he can keep improving.
     
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  17. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Sort of how I feel. Except ill add that I'd be much more excited about next season with a new coach. With Philbin I'd be cautiously pessimistic honestly.
     
  18. cdz12250

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    We have no offensive line. We have a rookie right tackle playing left tackle, a journeyman with very modest talent playing left guard, a journeyman center playing hurt, a center playing right guard out of position, and a turnstile for a right tackle. Understood. Quarterback has no time and the running backs are met in the backfield. Decimated by injuries. I get it.

    Now please explain to me why the defensive front four, who were viewed league-wide as a strength, are suddenly blown off the line, and we are unable to cope with anyone's running game in the last three weeks. Somehow, "the defense is blown because the offense can't stay on the field" isn't dispositive. Where are the fundamentals? The conditioning? The execution? Do the coaches get a free pass for the lack of those?

    I guess that the coaches are not the only cause. But do they contribute? If you're not part of the solution, blah, blah.
     
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  19. jdang307

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    There hasn't been a typo on a powerpoint since he got here.
     
  20. DolphinGreg

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    (1) The team fixed the Tackle problem...

    By acquiring Branden Albert and drafting Ju'wann James, the team finally got out of the basement with their O-line--at least the tackle problem. In one offseason we went from having 20% of our offensive line solidified (thanks Tony Sparano!), to having 60%. Nobody liked the Ju'wann James selection at first but he's been absolutely terrific as a rookie and he's impressed every one of us with his ability and his attitude. Plus, we've gotten to see that in a pinch he can play Left Tackle. I don't know abut you but I'm thrilled that for the first time in a long time the team has actually hit a couple home-runs with O-linemen. We should be able to repeat that next year with the Guard position. While Ireland and Sparano had 4+ seasons to fix the O-line and only managed to leave us with the least talented group of guys in the NFL, Hickey and Philbin has got the thing under control and we're very close to having an O-line with 5 legitimate players.

    (2) Tannehill's development has been steady

    We've been crying out for a QB for 15 years and we finally have one. He's got his flaws but I love his attitude and his team-first mentality. He's bought into what the coaches have told him and his TD/INT numbers and completion percentage indicate that. He throws the ball beautifully at times. This offense is far from what it was in 2007-2011 for the sole reason that we have a decent QB. Instead of complaining that the ceiling is too low, which it always was before, we're now seeing the new challenges of a team whose ceiling actually is very high. Let's appreciate that and do what we can not to screw it up. We've already set ourselves back by forcing the install of an entirely new offense. The last thing I want to do with Tannehill is repeat that. He could still regress and fall off at this point so we need to be cautious with any changes within the offensive structure. While Philbin and Lazor aren't perfect, we need to keep going and try to iron out the wrinkles before making drastic decisions.

    (3) We've begun playing well at home

    The biggest difference that I see in the Dolphins today versus 3-4 years ago is with the fans. While the stadium isn't full, we've definitely begun to attract some younger attention. We've got a better atmosphere during home games and it comes by upgrading what Tony Sparano left us. During the last regime's tenure we had a marked tendency to lose at home and win on the road. We may not have the biggest home-field advantage but we're harder to beat at home than we used to be and the fans are recognizing it. I'd love to say we beat the Ravens yesterday. We didn't. That doesn't remove the large number of games we've been able to win as a home team over the last few years though. This year we spanked the Patriots, Bills and Chargers with big home wins. Let's remember that we very nearly upset Green Bay at home as well. The Ravens game yesterday was the only bad performance at home this year.

    (4) We've begun beating the bad teams

    We haven't lost to a team this year that has surprised us. The Lions, Broncos, Packers, Ravens and Chiefs are all to some degree beyond us in developing their rosters. Those are Play-off caliber teams. It's no surprise that at this point, we lost in so many close ones. I had the Broncos and Packers pegged as blowout losses and those were the closest two games! We very nearly edged out the Lions in their place with their fans going crazy. Sadly, the loss yesterday to the Ravens was a crusher, but they are a true Play-off team. They have a Super Bowl MVP QB, a solid O-line, multiple quality WRs (one of which we completely shut out) and a very solid front 7. We failed to exploit their only true weakness because it was too hard to protect Tannehill long enough to accomplish that. But that's a fixable problem. The Bills kicked our *** in week 2 because they were better than us at that point but we came back and evened the score a few weeks ago against the Bills and knocked them out of contention while keeping ourselves in it hunt. The Chiefs had one thing on their mind after an 0-2 start. I don't know about you but a desperate Andy Reid scares me. He's dangerous in big games and we caught him at a bad time this year.

    (5) Synergy

    The mark of the great teams isn't the glory of singular individuals. It's the ability to work together. The front office compliments the coaching and vice versa. If you hadn't noticed, we quietly have a team that's been put together whose primary goal is synergy. Dawn Aponte, Dennis Hickey and Joe Philbin are together because they were unselfish and were willing to work together. While plenty of people wanted to take control of everything and play God with the ability of wiping their hands clean after the inevitable train wreck that follows that sort of power lust, a short list of people were happy to work together. The result is the best offseason this team has had in a very long time. We acquired more good players that fit the scheme and culture in Miami than most teams. I can see how that goes unmentioned, but it shouldn't go unappreciated.
     
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  21. Vertical Limit

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    Um no he's not and besides, who cares, they both suck at their job and both are not qualified to be head coach of a high school football team.
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    oh hell if he loses the last three he's toast blitz..if he loses to the pats and just one at home again he's toast, his only chance for ross to retain him is to be competitive against the pats and beat both the jets and vikings at home to finish the season..being 9 and 7 would probably make ross hesitate..
     
  23. Vertical Limit

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    That's a sad reality and you're probably right.

    The sad state of the Dolphins... where 9-7 is considered progress. Sad, very sad.
     
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  24. DolphinGreg

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    I don't think these last 3 games should have any say on Philbin's future.

    They are meaningless games for us at this point.

    We're not even playing spoiler to anybody. The Patriots are definitely in and the Vikings/Jets are definitely not.

    It's only fair to say that good or bad, you should have been able to make up your mind on Philbin.
     
  25. Sethdaddy8

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    That's not entirely true. Last year, there was a huge mark on Sherman and the o-line coaches head. We used to target specials, but Rizzi has done a nice job. A lot of scrutiny has fallen on Coyle too now. So I mean, usually you go after the top, and the assistants and assistant's assistants shake themselves out. Which positional assistant coach do you want to see blamed for another December collapse?
     
  26. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    You think firing people every year is considered progress?
     
  27. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So if the players know that these last 3 games can save Joe's job and do not show up the next three weeks, We can not ascertain anything from that? I disagree.
     
  28. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    The players are already not showing up, some pretty good ones too.

    Albert, Moreno, Finnegan, Thomas, Taylor, Davis, Freeney, Clay, Ellerbe, the losses have increasingly piled up.
     
  29. Bpk

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    1) Stability.
    Blowing things up and starting over is contrary to the approach of most of the most-successful teams in this league.

    2) There has been steady progress each year under Philbin ( albeit very slight in some ways.)
    If you assume this is a trend that will continue (slow but steady improvement) then 9-7 this year should be 10-6 next year and 11-5 the following year. Meaning we win the division by 2016, at least.

    3) Players develop under him and the position coaches he has assembled.
    Drafting talent is only 1/3 of the equation. Developing it with a good positional coaching staff is another 1/3 of the equation. This staff does develop talent. Pleasantly surprised by our LB, DE, DT, TE, play, and our rookies like Landry and James have played well which speaks to some decent positional coaching as well.

    4) His teams are not heavily penalized

    5) This is the best we have been in at least five to seven years.

    I kind of ran out of compelling reasons after the first three, to be honest. And I'm not a Philbin fan but I want to be fair in giving him credit for the things he IS good at.

    Overall, I am torn on firing him.. I want to, if we can keep Lazor (not because his playcalling is amazing, but because Tannehill has progressed under him), but that's not a guarantee.
     
  30. DolphinGreg

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    The players don't care whose job is on the line.

    When a defense knows the season is over, history says it will quit.

    The offense will probably play very hard.

    It's all a very natural and predictable process for a football team at the end of a tough year.

    Trying to read into it things that aren't there doesn't help you stay objective.

    There will be plenty of reasons to fire Philbin if you want to make that case.

    These last 3 games should not be part of that argument.
     
  31. Bpk

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    1) Yes, so keep Dennis Hickey... not Philbin.

    2) Yes, so keep Lazor... not Philbin.

    3) We still don't play as well as we should at home. No kudos for this.

    4) True

    5) Not sure about the harmonious argument... not when players, plus coaches Coyle & Lazor have all had axes to grind with Philbin in this season alone. Nevermind the unharmonious locker-room scandal of last season. I agree that Philbin and Hickey do seem a better match than Ireland and Philbin. But Ireland seems douchey so I think that's more about Ireland not being easy to get along with and Hickey being easier in that regard than about Philbin being some great consensus-builder.
     
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  32. RoninFin4

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    You're certainly entitled to that opinion, and my opinion of Philbin and staff are littered throughout the forums, so I feel like you should know my reasoning, but here it is again. First, in the NFL where talent level is pretty much equal across the board, all things considered (except for maybe QB) coaching and scheme becomes very important and I think that many fans, not just on here, underrate it's importance. I'd cite the Patriots being the example. They're different week-to-week in what they do yet they do it with the same personnel. I'd argue that other than Brady and Revis, Miami matches up pretty well with them.

    When it comes down to it, Joe Philbin as head coach, especially as a head coach whose own systems aren't being run, isn't calling plays, isn't a motivator, but is an organizer, everything falls back to him. Well, he's preached fundamentals for three years - tackling, blocking, executing plays. Miami doesn't do that consistently, yet he preaches it consistently. There's a disconnect there. Joe Philbin is, after all, the guy who plans and oversees practice EVERY day. How certain aspects of the team - tackling, offensive line play - are not better is squarely on him. If it's a matter of players not being properly taught, it goes back to him as well as he's responsible for the guys doing the teaching.

    On top of that he's hired staff members that have:

    - Pounded the table for guys like Dannell Ellerbe and Philip Wheeler then used them improperly and had to hire another linebackers coach to solve those issues. That issue has only been solved to some degree as Koa Misi has really faded at MLB (Kevin Coyle).
    - Participated in a player bullying scandal (Jim Turner).
    - Have had inconsistent route-running, play that's been detrimental to Bill Lazor's sysetm (Ken O'Keefe).
    - Hired a coordinator that does not scheme to protect his weakest player or maximize the strengths of several of the offensive personnel (Bill Lazor, with specific respect to Dallas Thomas and Ryan Tannehill this year).
    - Overseen 4 of the worst individual team rushing performances per game in team history (Sherman).
    - Overseen an offensive line that gave up the most sacks in team history (Turner).

    Philbin himself has:
    - Had trouble interacting with players with dominant personalities (Bush, Dansby, Long)
    - Failed to notice locker room trouble brewing (Incognito-Martin, Pouncey, Jerry)
    - Mismanaged play/game management situations (Multiple each season, but Buffalo in particular this year, along with several other times Lazor has publicly undermined him - I can't remember the exact games off the top of my head)
    - Is getting into arguments on the sidelines with players or his coordinators and vice-verse (Coyle, Odrick, Coyle v. Philbin)
    - Had players call out the coaching staff for putting players in positions their skill sets are not suited for (Kansas City, Green Bay, Detroit, Denver just this year).
    - Could not get along with a general manager, albeit it'd be hard for anyone to get along with Jeff Ireland, but to the point where Ireland was using an intermediary (Aponte) to critique uses of personnel during and after games. Also in some manner, signed off to Jeff Ireland to give massive contracts to guys like Wallace, Ellerbe and Wheeler. We maybe adding Branden Albert's name to that list due to being prone to injuries sooner rather than later.
    - Has not had a favorable relationship with media members up until this year.
    - Started a pseudo quarterback controversy.
    - Hired coordinators that were not matches for the use of personnel at hand (predominantly Kevin Coyle, but you can also plug in Sherman here).
    - Has, to this point, shown a 1-game improvement from year one to year two, and needs to win 2 of 3 to show a 1-game improvement from year two to year three.

    I think he's done some nice things, I'm not glossing over that, and some of the assistants he's retained (Rodgers) or hired (Anarumo, Benton, Duffner) have seen nice development in the positions they coach. But, the sum of all the parts that Joe Philbin is in charge of overseeing as head coach have not translated into enough wins to make the playoffs. The players have questioned the staff multiple times, just this season. The players have questioned Joe Philbin's personnel decisions multiple times over multiple seasons, and they've expressed they think the team takes on his personality multiple times and come out flat.

    I do not see what his overall program or his coaching staff has done to warrant being retained. It's evident enough in the lack of progress if you're, I'm assuming, going to look past what the team's record is. He's a sub-.500 coach and is record in the AFCE is as well. Couple that with everything that's transpired during his tenure and I'm not sure why people are clamoring for more of the same. His ceiling is Marvin Lewis. That should damn well be enough to scare off Steven Ross (who knows if it is in his case) and all the fans.

    If you want to call that being intellectually lazy, that's fine by me. I've seen enough of he and his staff. I said as much last year and predicted that Miami would be between 7-9 and 9-7 before this season. I wasn't wrong. The problem is is that this team is not good enough to have proven me otherwise.

    God knows that even if Ross does fire Philbin, he'll make another mistake in retaining Hickey, whose in-season roster management has been pretty poor (i.e. Miami is STILL playing Dallas Thomas at RT; tells you all you really need to know about the staff and front office, actually), and handcuffing the coaching search the same way he handcuffed the GM search last year. I hope Ross has learned; I doubt he has; but that's the sad reality of being a Dolphins fan these days.
     
  33. RoninFin4

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    This. 1,000 times this. It's amazing how low the expectations for this franchise have gotten.
     
  34. Piston Honda

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    Don't forget the biggest villain of all, Irish. Most of the changes fans wanted last year were made, might as well give them time to work, no?

    If the team wasn't competitive I'd be more inclined to look towards the staff. If they routinely displayed a lack of effort, discipline and situational awareness.
     
  35. MikeHoncho

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    LOL @ folks calling for Sparano back.
     
  36. Bpk

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    1. That's more a reason/excuse for performance than a "Why he's good" type of thing. It's a "Why he's not that bad..." Which is fine, I guess.
    2. True. But kind of similar to #1 in intention.
    3. Yes. Ultimately that IS his responsibility as the head coach. ANYTHING execution related is a coach's responsibility. Only bad coaches like to fall back on "It's the players fault for not executing." great coaches say "It's my fault for not preparing the players to execute properly." so that's still his responsibility (if he wants to actually win and not just play a 'keep my job' game)
    4. It's been pretty well discussed that Philbin damn near got fired for resisting pressure to let Sherman go. Philbin was not on board with it and only in the 11th hour under duress and under protest did he allow Sherman to leave. In other words, he wanted to keep a bad OC, if he'd had his way.
    5. Agreed.

    Plus, you numbered your list and I respect people who actually numbered their 5 reasons!
     
  37. djphinfan

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    maybe not though, that home loss was pretty hurtful and quite telling.
     
  38. 3Pmi

    3Pmi IT Specialist Staff Member Administrator

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    This. Exactly this.
     
  39. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Now this is crazy. The truth is, Philbin and Sparano are average NFL coaches. Where, Bill Bellichick is great and Cam Cameron is awful, these guys are average. But the truth is, average is not good enough. So either you are very good/great...or you are out. That is the reality. Philbin could probably squeak into the play-offs 1 out of every 4 or 5 seasons, while he hovers around the potential of 10-6 to 6-10. We will never be great, nor be a powerhouse. And that is what we want.

    If we had a little hope I would say, give him another chance, maybe it all comes together, and we hit the post-season next year. Maybe even win a play-off game. But it would be the anomaly. We would still run that risk of getting smacked around 7 to 9 times a season.

    But the stars are aligning. Harbaugh is out. He is a shell coaching right now. He knows he is gone, the players know it, the fans, front office... its a miracle he has won at all this season. And it is not surprising that the gipper (Tony S.) has rallied that young team to a win against him.
    For the best interests of this team, we need to can Philbin, if it gives us a shot at bringing in Jim Harbaugh. And Rex Ryan, who coached for his brother John, would be a monstrous move to bring in at DC.

    And NO, I have no good reason for firing Hickey...other than doing it, if that is what it takes to get top flight coaches in our building. If Harbaugh says, I want Gamble...pack your bags Hickey. Sorry pal...but at least you have earned some cred as a legit GM. Let Woody Johnson have him. The rivalry could mean something again.
     
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  40. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    sure can.
     

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