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Dallas Thomas still RT

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phins_Fan_87, Dec 10, 2014.

  1. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    He had a horrible game vs one of the best pass rushers in the league. Before that he faced Mario Williams and Von Miller so yeah his sacks allowed are inflated.

    Nevertheless it's entertaining to hear guys mouth off about how much smarter than the professionals they are.
     
  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    You're missing the point. He had a bad day against the Broncos, he had a bad day the next week, and the week after that, and the week after that. You're focusing on the one day in four weeks when the offense did alright. But the offensive struggles in the other three games aren't coincidental and his struggles were part of it. So if your preference is to have one good day offensively out of four, and then count on the defense to hold teams to 9 or 13 points the other three games...well, by all means, don't address significant problems.
     
  3. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    lol posters getting their panties in a wye because Jason Fox is not playing instead of Dallas Thomas.
     
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  4. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Serious question: Is Dallas Thomas the worst OT to start for the Dolphins? I mean, there have been some terrible ones (Clabo, McIntosh, etc.), but a banana peel would offer more resistance out there than what Thomas has been giving.
     
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  5. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And Greg, after 3 years of football below .500 is why you move on from Philbin...that's who needs to move on with his life,as well as all of you that keep waiting for him to improve as a coach..The job just is'nt for him...he tried it and it does not fit for him..that does not make him a bad person, but it is awful hard for an introvert to be a leader. Maybe you should back off a little with your rash judgement of people on the site until you have been in the threads for more than a week or so. I for one move on with my life everyday and tomorrow will be no different God willing. :)
     
  6. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    And it's nice to see people will defend anything. Including historically the absolute worst tackle to ever play for the Dolphins.
     
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  7. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    u srs Clark?

    No one is saying DT is the answer. The arguments are 1. We don't have satisfactory answer so whatever, and 2. Jason Fox.
     
  8. speed

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    What I don't understand is how he got drafted at all.

    I mean to be a third round pick you had to be awesome in college. I can't see this dude ever being awesome at anything.
     
  9. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Yet folks are indeed defending him in this thread. You at least try someone else. Not put someone out there game after game and expect something different. Remember that definition of insanity?

    Thomas is the 72nd ranked tackle out of 78 by PFF. That score is a cumulative score. Meaning he's achieved this in 4 games that other tackles have taken full seasons to accomplish.

    His score is a few points lower then Martin AND Clabo's combined last year. Wake up people.
     
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  10. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    #firephilbin

    Dallas Thomas is going to be the final nail in the coffin for Philbin. What a fool.
     
  11. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Anthony Alabi and Joe Toledo both wonder how he could still be with the team
     
  12. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Sad part is I don't trust Ross to actually fire him even if he loses out the rest of the way.
     
  13. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    There is no point in restating the obvious. Trust me, everyone knows and no one needs to wake up to that news.
     
  14. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Dont leave out Billy Turner and Garner. Von Miller and Mario Williams would rather retire than face those two.
     
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  15. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    You also can't see practice, which is where decisions like who to start at RT are made.
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not to any sane person with 20/20 vision. More like a fair to middling guard at best.
     
  17. bigbry

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    I like Sicks post better,

    His post was short and to the point.

    Yours CK, was long thick and very painful.

    Yeah, I'm saying what you think I am.
     
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  18. finfansince72

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    Honestly thats criminal. I mean seriously, someone should arrest Thomas.
     
  19. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Wade Smith was pretty bad too.
     
  20. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    Deep breaths. It'll all be over in 3 weeks.
     
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  21. Vertical Limit

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    It doesn't take much when your evaluation goes like this...

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  22. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Been unable to practice for 3 weeks due to "migraines"
     
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  23. LBsFinest

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    lmao that joke will never get old.
     
  24. heylookatme

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    So is Philbin upset with Ryan Tannehill or something?
     
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  25. djphinfan

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    CK has posed a question...what if Ryan gets hurt..

    Maybe Fired on Monday ???...lol
     
  26. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Lol if you think I'm defending anyone then you missed the point.

    Ill say again, we don't have a RT who can hold up vs elite pass rushers available at this time. If we did he'd be on the field. Anyone who can't see that has zero business critiquing the staff bc they clearly know nothing about coaching. It's like saying Coyle is stupid for playing Trusnik & Stanford.
     
  27. vt_dolfan

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    You can say that.. But until Ellerbe got hurt, Jelani Jenkins was riding the pine. We would have never known what we had in Jenkins.

    So.. Do the coaches always put the better player on the field?

    Also if I remember correctly, Fox actually stepped in at left tackle in the Detroit game and did pretty well. Why not try Fox at LT and move James back to RT.
     
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  28. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Fox didn't play vs Detroit. JJ went to LT and DT went to RT. Fox played in Denver after JJ got hurt.

    I'm not going to pretend to know why they haven't gone with Fox. I'm just saying, they've seen Fox/Garner/Turner in practice all year long and have a good idea of what they can do. Meanwhile we as fans only see what happens in the games. I'm not saying coaches are infallible but 9 times outta 10 the backup is the backup for a reason.

    Overall guys seem to just have their knives out for Philbin. To the point they're criticizing any and everything.
     
  29. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    This. The coaches have not been that on the ball when it comes time to really bench a guy or promote a guy. Or even the Shelley Smith, Daryn Colledge joke they have going on. While neither are playing good, Smith is clearly playing better then Colledge but they keep trudging his dead weight out there.
     
  30. SICK

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    I disagree.
     
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  31. dolphin25

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    Do we know this to be true? Didnt Fox grade out well last year?
     
  32. Disgustipate

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    I wonder what the issue really is, because they gave Daryn Colledge a "migraines" diagnosis when they initially had to bench him.
     
  33. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    According to playoffmagic, the following scenarios are in play for the Dolphins:

    The Dolphins are eliminated from the AFC East race with: a loss OR tie vs. the Patriots (Sun., 1:00pm ET).

    The Dolphins are eliminated from the playoffs with: a loss OR tie vs. the Patriots (Sun., 1:00pm ET) AND a Chargers win vs. the Broncos (Sun., 4:05pm ET) AND a Chiefs win vs. the Raiders (Sun., 1:00pm ET) AND a Texans win vs. the Colts (Sun., 1:00pm ET) AND a Ravens win vs Jaguars (Sun., 1:00pm ET) AND a Bengals win vs. the Browns (Sun., 1:00pm ET) AND a Steelers win vs. the Falcons (Sun., 1:00pm ET).

    The Texans win versus the Colts is a bit far fetched, but the other scenarios there are definitely not in our favor. Naturally, I'm not confident that the Dolphins are going to get it done versus the patriots.
     
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  34. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    I'm sure it is a concussion issue but they are leery of using that word.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    Having played with the scenarios I'm not sure I agree that the Chargers have to beat the Broncos. But I think the other ones have to happen.
     
  36. Robert Horry

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    I've liked some things Philbin has done. He's very good with challenges, knows how to adjust decently at halftime and usually extremely hands off from his coordinators - thing that's managers/coaches should be doing. He's not controlling, micro-managing, or alienating either. He's open to suggestions and plays rookies instantly if they shown to make an impact (Landry, McCain, Fede, Johnson, etc). He usually has good game plans and they are good enough for us to win. If anyone remember's Sparano and Cameron, sometimes their game plans were so bad that they would get us blown out in the first 20 minutes. Sometimes his players are not good enough to execute the game plans. He's not all bad.

    However, some decisions are baffling. He needs to step in and tell Lazor to run the ball more. He needs to get Coyle to stop doing ridiculous slants and stunts with the D-line most of the time. Why Phillip Wheeler does anything else other than go downhill is baffling. Why Dion Jordan rushes the passer more than Chris McCain is absurd. McCain is VIOLENT with his hands along with extreme acceleration, yet the slow, lumbering, soft hands Jordan gets more playing time on 3rd and distance. Playing Dallas Thomas is absurd. He should be cut. Billy Turner must be doing something in practice to not get any PT at any position on the line.

    Philbin is growing from year to year. His problem is that he won't make extreme decisions when needed. That coupled with playing weak players even when they falter and not having a hard line approach is going to be his downfall. Odrick should be deactivated this week and Thomas should have been cut. If the system was good, the depth with actual NFL players would still work. One could say that he needs another offseason to strengthen the depth - which is valid, but he could still make decisions to show that weakness and softness will be tolerated. He needs to make this team TOUGH. Sparano had a team full of meatheads that were physical, hard hitting, and tough, but had no finesse and ability to out-plan the opponent. Philbin's team is different. They are finesse, crafty, and to a degree - delicate. They will out-plan some opponents but at the same time they aren't physical or tough enough when they need it most.
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    Philbin being hands off with his coordinators and being good at halftime adjustments are conflicting positives. The reality is he doesn't have anything to do with halftime adjustments. The coordinators handle them. I'm not trying to take credit from him unnecessarily, or disagree with anyone unnecessarily. I think it could indeed be a credit to him as a HC that he gives a lot of autonomy to his assistants, but part of that autonomy has been allowing them to make their halftime adjustments directly with their units.

    Although I will say that autonomy is infringed upon fairly often from an offensive standpoint toward the end of halves as Philbin dictates to Lazor what should be called. That's also a known thing.

    Philbin has the most authority on sit-start decisions across the board. So any questionable things we've seen that way are valid criticisms.

    I actually have a differing opinion on his tendencies with respect to rookies. I think he makes decisions around draft time on which rookies have a profile to be able to play early, and which do not, and he tends to be pretty unrelenting on those decisions during the year. There were certain things in the profiles of Ryan Tannehill, Jonathan Martin, Olivier Vernon, Dion Jordan, Dion Sims, JaWuan James and Jarvis Landry that made them all likely for early playing time. They were all from power conferences, and the ones that would be full time starters (Tannehill, Martin, James) each had a wealth of relevant experience, whereas the others looked specialized for very well defined roles.

    But in my opinion there have been opportunities to get other young players some playing time, consistently resisted. I would actually cite Chris McCain and Terrence Fede as examples of that. Fede has only 67 snaps and McCain has 44. Tripp has 6 snaps. Dion Jordan should have had more snaps in 2013 but he resisted the "well-defined role" parameter so he didn't get them. Will Davis and Jamar Taylor combined for like 100 snaps last year. He resisted playing Rishard Matthews for the longest time in 2012 despite numerous problems with that third WR position (first one being Naanee sucked). He resisted using Lamar Miller that year, Michael Egnew. He had the wrong role in mind for Olivier Vernon altogether, making him a pass rush specialist.

    I think there have been a fair number of instances where there have been veterans on the field playing TERRIBLE football, and a young guy sitting the bench behind that veteran riding the pine simply because he's young. That's my opinion.
     
  38. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Smith is a better run blocker, Colledge is better in pass pro. It's a a fluid situation.
     
  39. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    So I read Philbin's quote that Thomas looked good on many plays and only bad on a few.

    Then I hear on radio a Pats' beat guy interviewed. He says big adjustment in playing for Belichick & w/ Brady is they go off for 1 bad play out of 70 good ones......
     
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  40. ckparrothead

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    lol.
     

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