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The Continuity Conundrum

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 3Pmi, Dec 8, 2014.

  1. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to credit those teams with playing well enough to win. We're not the only squad with NFL players.

    If I did have to blame someone first on my list would be Albert and Moreno. Losing Moreno took away our ability to grind teams down with the run game, making us dependent on Tannehill, who's not quite ready to handle that role, especially vs the better defenses. With Albert we lost our pass pro anchor and had to insert Dallas Thomas, just as we were about to face 3 of the best pass rushing duos in the league.
     
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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    seeing that the one guy won't answer the question..if we go 1 and 2 in the last three would you retain? if we lose out would you retain?
     
  3. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I'm not being evasive I just honestly don't understand the relevance of the question. I'll wait till the season is over and then judge it as a whole, as you should.
     
  4. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Retain if ew go 0fer.

    Retain is the only right option. Everything else is doom and gloom.
     
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  5. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "Do or do not. There is no try."
     
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  6. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Not sure that's the best way to look at things in the NFL. There are a handful of really good and really bad teams, plus 20 or so fairly evenly matched teams. SOS, injuries, luck, etc often make the difference.
     
  7. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We have almost a three year sample size, those things even out.

    You are what your record says you are, below .500.
     
  8. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    PH, We can just agree to disagree then...I do give them alot of credit and not throwing darts at our HC. The proof is in the pudding ! Let's just take the Green Bay game.... we had Rodgers reeling man...got him to 4th and 12 and you could see it in his eyes..he was desperate for a timeout to regroup and get them calmed down. So what happens? Philbin screws his team and calls the time out that his boy needed....Boom...4th down complete to Jordy Nelson for 17 yards..1st down.Then Fake Spike..that was on Finnegan and then Philbin calls another timeout to benefit his boy Rodgers and out of all of that mess Wheeler is on the TE which it is known by all that he cannot cover anything and the " Philbin assisted " Comeback is complete...Packers Win...THAT WAS.ALL ON PHILBIN..
     
  9. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    If you're going solely on W-L record, sure.
     
  10. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    At this point...that is all their is to go on.
     
  11. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Yeah let's agree to disagree, we're not going to see eye to eye on this one. Still enjoyed discussing with you ;)
     
  12. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I did with you as well and you do have some good points there. :)
     
  13. Da 'Fins

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    It's the ONLY way to look at things in the NFL. You win or you go away .... This isn't pickup football. It's billion dollar business and fans do not go (as evidence in Miami) to games if the team is not a winner.

    Further, it is not just one season. This is the 3rd seasons with Philbin and the record has basically been the same. The only real improvements have been the result of A) influx of players via free agency and one good rookie this year; and B) the addition of Lazor. Otherwise, the team has not shown any appreciable difference from Sparano's days.
     
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  14. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I watch for entertainment, not wins, and spread is entertaining, power ball not so much.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ok so you and Dolphin greg don't have the ability to think what if..gotcha...

    I thought I've seen it all..yall take the cake.
     
  16. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    That's why they keep score....
     
  17. DolphinGreg

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    I can respect that.

    I think 3 seasons has shown us that Philbin is a mid-level coach. It's unlikely that he's anything more than that.

    However, we only have 1 off-season of Dennis Hickey who did a wonderful job.

    I want to keep Hickey and Tannehill because they have shown upside.

    I don't want Tannehill learning a 3rd offense in his 4th season therefore I want to keep Lazor by default.

    If I'm going to keep all the guys that surround the HC--the GM, the OC and the QB--it means I also have to keep the HC himself whether or not I really like him.

    The only scenario in which we could lose the coach and not start over on offense is if the new HC was a DC-type that replaced Coyle.

    I'm open to that. Todd Bowles, Rex Ryan...those type of names get my attention.
     
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  18. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    I agree 100%. I don't know why people can't comprehend this, instead they want to constantly rebuild every 3 years. It is insanity. The only way to have true continuity is to keep Philbin, Lazor and Tannehill running the same offense for 3 years. This is year one of that, if we can get 2 more years of this we can truly evaluate this team, at least the offense. If we do get 2 more years, nobody will be wanting to tear this team apart because we will be in the playoffs. There is still a chance we get in the playoffs this year, there is a much better chance of that next year IMO, and a third year is almost a certain run in the playoffs IMO. Anyone that wants a new HC and expects to keep Lazor is just kidding themselves. Usually a new HC means a new OC and DC. That would be detrimental to Tannehill's career development IMO.
     
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  19. djphinfan

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    coaches and players have to earn their keep.. you don't just keep because of continuities sake..
     
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  20. RoninFin4

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    His in-season work has left a LOT to be desired. Doesn't help that 4 of his top 5 acquisitions - Albert, Delmas, Finnegan and Moreno - are all on IR or missed significant time this year and only 2 draft picks, James and Landry, have provided meaningful contributions. I think on paper his offseason looks better than it really is. Of those acquisitions, mentioned, 3 - Delmas, Finnegan and Moreno aren't going to be on the roster next year.

    I appreciate that moving forward Miami will have Earl Mitchell, James, Landry and Albert eventually, but to compare it with a baseball analogy, the ball looked like a home run coming off the bat, but it's going to wind up a ground-rule double.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Mike wallace with the smartest thing I've heard said all week.

    ''we had our chance to control our destiny, and we blew it''
     
  22. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Im sorry if that's all you've noticed.

    Ive seen two rookies who appear to be major contributors, James and Landry. I see a QB we can build around for the first time since Marino. A team that can go toe to toe with NE for the first time since Wannstedt. With Ireland gone we have a HC and GM who actually work together.

    Philbin's philosophy is almost the complete opposite of Sparano's. Run and stop the run vs pass and disrupt the pass. Sparano's best year was his first, after that he regressed. Philbin's teams have improved every year and seem likely to improve again with a few relatively easy to make additions.

    To each his own but I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of the team.
     
  23. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Lol notice he didn't say "Philbin blew it".
     
  24. RoninFin4

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    Probably would have garnered a fine if he did.
     
  25. Fin4Ever

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    Well, he knows when talking to the media that it would not be the right time to throw Philbin under the Bus. Besides, I don't believe that Ross actually listens to anyone when decisions need to be made in regards to the HC. I would imagine that he has been reviewing his year with Marino and at that time after also talking to Carl Peterson and Eric Mangini he will then make his decision on Philbin.
     
  26. LI phinfan

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    I hope that is Sarcasm. I noticed he didn't say Dallas Thomas or Jimmy Wilson or Philip Wheeler blew it. And we all know how well they played and how they contributed to that loss. All the bad comments about Joe will surface if he gets fired...never fails .
     
  27. DolphinGreg

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    ...and I will take that double to the bank, haha! ;)

    It's just nice to see some progress.

    I'm very curious to see if the team addresses the Guard need in round 1 of the draft or if we go best player available because it's clear that age is a huge problem at CB and DT.

    If Finnegan retires, Davis and Taylor will have to step up and we'll be one Grimes injury away from those two being our starting CBs. Talk about scary! :)

    So, with clear needs (CB, DT, OG) and a few areas we'd like to improve (OLB, WR), it's going to be very interesting to watch things play out.

    If I could overlay the "ground-rule double" success of last year onto those current needs, I'd do it.

    It would go a very long way to helping us get to double-digit wins and a Play-off appearance.
     
  28. DolphinGreg

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    Thanks for the support!

    I think the answers are right in front of us. We're not looked upon as a joke of an organization nationally anymore.

    The folks who actually understand football see that we're on the rise and have supported what we're doing.

    For the first time in a long time, we can actually use the next off season to enhance what we have as opposed to trying to plug leaks.

    We've got a Guard situation that does need attention but the rest of the picks and free agent signings will all be about taking the next step which is great thing for this franchise.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    lol..ok bud..

    if the team believes they have the talent to win the game and they believe they blew it at home then everyone is to blame..
     
  30. djphinfan

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    i guess he expects wallace to say...Joe philbin..our head coach of the miami dolphins..blew the football game...lol
     
  31. Alex44

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    Agreed DJ. I mean in my opinion by "we" he meant everyone including the staff.
     
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  32. Fin4Ever

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    Lol...I guess so. I think he put it out the best way that he could and figured we are all smart enough to decode his message..lol
     
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    blasphemy, how dare you blame this head coach..

    I mean even if he loses out, he still should remain don't ya know?
     
  34. djphinfan

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    and ftr, if he wins out, he should be retained..
     
  35. JMHPhin

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    Continuity is crucial but it had to lead to eventual success. The question becomes have you seen enough indicators to believe it will come? If not your just pushing success off and making it harder
     
  36. RGF

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    Been saying that also. I'll even go so far as to say if we go 2-1 and be very competitive in N.E. then maybe,just maybe he gets a pass into 2015.
     
  37. RoninFin4

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    I'm sorry, I just can't get behind that line of thinking. Improving by 2 games over the course of 3 years with the talent on this team is the very definition of underachieving, and that's derived from poor coaching. When did 9-7 become the standard for success?
     
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  38. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Ten year contract
     
  39. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    DJ, your name is not Stephen Ross, mine isn't either. Ross is a business man, not a football man. He saw a problem, made Philbin fire Sherman, which was the right thing to do. Ross will analyze this like a business man does. The improvement on offense is very apparent against tougher competition this year. It's more than just continuity, but continuity is important, especially when improvements are seen and can be proven. Those improvements will lead to more continuity.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    your mind is supposed to be made up by now RG..:wink2:

    I agree though, if he's very competitive against the pats and wins the last two, maybe we look at it real hard.
     
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