I probably should have done a better job at titling the thread. I tried to change it, but couldn't We just need a leader of men. That Philbin is not. I do not dislike Philbin. He is not going to take this team to the promise land. He lacks to many intangibles
Thats exactly what he was trying to say, clearly. And I'm sure that is your arguement too. At least you are up front about it. And no...I don't think it is realistic to presume that we should have a top OL because Joe used to be an OL coach.
There are lots of unknowns with this team. Joe Philbin, Ryan Tannehill, Bill Lazor, Kevin Coyle, Dennis Hickey. Does anybody really know how good any of them are?
I appreciate a man who comes out and says it honestly like that. I think it really comes down to what you said there. Some people are willing to embrace another overhaul and others want to see if we can inch our way forward. I don't like the bickering personally. While inching forward is conservative, it does not equate to accepting mediocrity. While rebuilding is a very liberal idea, it's not without the possibility of upside. Personally, I'd rather inch forward and see what the future holds with Philbin, Lazor and Tannehill (flaws and all). It's entirely fair to have either view. I really appreciate your honesty.
Why not? This is the mans forte'. It is his bread and butter. It is what supposedly got him his HC job. Or was it because he was the only one who would accept the job?
They were good enough to be drafted or hired. That's why, in times of uncertainty, the decision maker in me is conservative.
I think the history of virtually any coach will show that some players excelled under their tutelage (Ju'wann James) and some did not (Dallas Thomas).
[h=1]Source: Former Dolphins GM Ireland overruled Philbin on Albert trade, wanted Martin at left tackle[/h]http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2014/01/21/source-former-dolphins-gm-ireland-overruled-philbin-on-albert-trade-wanted-martin-at-left-tackle/?__federated=1
The main problems we are having with this OL are injuries, lack of experience and lack of Talent. What I do blame Philbin somewhat for is the constant changing of positions and combinations since he took over..always lacking cohesiveness. Sadly, that was also Sparano's problem (another ol coach)
No. I said we were top 10 before the Albert injury which was pretty good. Socks said only number one is good enough with an o-line coach for a head coach. I said that's not happening as long as Manning is in the league. You took that as a slight against Tannehill.
I am not saying that Philbin should be directly responsible or should be fired because of it. What I am saying is as the head coach, and a career OL coach, this should have been the one area Philbin should have made sure was taking care of even if he personally had to be involved. Philbin has failed to do that as evidenced in our current situation. We lack depth and we lost the Baltimore game as a direct result. We went from the talk of the league to having a 15% chance of success. 3 years guys and we are no further then when we started with the offensive line. This is obvious stuff that even we as fans can clearly see. It has still to be addressed. How with the talk around town being your going to get fired is this over looked or left to a minion just add's to the mile of manure Philbin is beginning to rack up
Stop it. I was not the only one who caught that. Every post I have seen from you has our QB somewhere referenced....whether written or implied. If you feel that way, own it. I would disagree with you, but thats what message boards are for. So exactly why does Peyton play behind good OL's all the time Roy? Try answering without a shot at our QB.
And so did our "GREAT" HC. And not because of injuries, like Harbaugh. We started him because he was drafted high by us and thought he was talented.....not for back up OL depth
Even fans could see it huh? There are three guarantees in life: Death, taxes, and the o-line isn't good enough. So if the line ever does turn out to be not good enough fans will always claim they were right. Because fans are forever worried about the state of the o-line. Personally, I thought we spent adequate resources on the o-line, enough that it should no longer be used as an excuse. Two top picks, the top free agent, several other free agents including another center. WTF did you want? For us to spend every draft pick and free dollar on o-line? We had 4 guys on the roster that could presumably play RT, and Dallas Thomas wasn't even one of them. James, Garner, Fox and Turner should all have been options for us at RT. Two are hurt, I don't know whats up with Fox and Turner clearly isn't ready. The plan seemed OK to me, granted there was some risk involved, but there is always risk. Thats why no team carries two $100 million QBs, if your one goes down you're pretty much ****ed. The salary cap and roster limits forces teams to take risks. It is what it is.
Source: Former Dolphins GM Ireland overruled Philbin on Albert trade, wanted Martin at left tackle http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachp...e-wanted-martin-at-left-tackle/?__federated=1
If I remember correctly he still would've gone into the season as our starting RT. So does that count that he did not want Martin. Still had him as a starter on that line....Still Ireland's fault?
It probably has something to do with the fact that he's a great QB, he's great at reading defenses, he's a great leader, a great playcaller and probably a great coach. Though, there are some redundancies there and I could have just said because he's a great QB.
What's interesting about this topic is that I suspect the offensive line in general is no worse than the average line in the league, and what we saw last week isn't significantly different from the league average when teams are in obvious passing situations (mounting a comeback, for example), have a weak link on the line (Dallas Thomas, for example), and are facing the league's best pass rushers (Elvis Dumervil, for example). In other words, what this perception is riding on is something very recent and situational, though it's being portrayed to represent years of failure in general.
Yeah, before the season I'm sure most would have been OK with average. And thats exactly what we are.
Was this a discussion about Philbin's first two years? Or should we just start making stuff up as reasons to fire him- I hate Philbin because his neighbor's sister's baby-daddy drives a yellow Volvo. So fire his ***!
Good post. It's entirely fair to have any view of the team going forward. I think we tend to forget this from time to time. It's easy to do when we're just posting online; tone is difficult to determine. That difficulty gives us more room to demonize people who don't share our points of view, and it gives us more room to feel attacked when someone disagrees. Strangely, someone's opinion of Joe Philbin or Ryan Tannehill isn't a dealbreaker to me in real life. I try to consider that when dealing with people online. You're setting a good example.
Thanks, man! I like your mentality. You know, I will honestly never understand why so many people get their feelings hurt on a forum. If you're going to share your views online, you can't act surprised when other people disagree sometimes. The funny thing is that everyone outside Miami's fanbase is generally optimistic with the direction of the team and considers the current regime to be on the right track. People seem to like Tannehill a lot and you hear people talk about Philbin's quiet calm as a positive thing. But yeah, I agree. He's probably a mediocre coach. But still, you say a few good things about him or look at him in a positive light--or just say that we should remain with what we have for Tannehill's sake--and you're a Philbin homer for life to some people. I legitimately think that Miami fans are the hardest to please. After 15 years, they're so pissed off that nothing will ever be acceptable, haha...do you know what I mean?
He sets the tone. A true professional. The other players around him learn their craft like he knows his. Peyton Manning is greatness Peyton Manning is the CULTURE
Wow. Scary. The guy inherited some of the OL players. There was the whole Bullygate BS. It was a decimated OL. They made some great improvements this off-season with Albert and James, etc, but....... there are just f-----g injuries!!!!! It was a vastly improved OL until the injury bug crawled up their arses. It's pretty simple. Again...wow.
