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How much more time do we give Tannehill to prove he's got "it"?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PhinsRock, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Never's a long time... He made Charles Clay better. What's to say he can't do it with more players?
     
  2. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    This is the type of post that needs to be avoided at all costs. Nobody will change their stance regardless of the evidence or facts.

    I for one say give him one more year. After that, if things don't improve you get rid of him. If you have a chance to put a flyer on a QB prospect in the third round you take it.

    Fair or not, the NFL is QB driven, and teams that don't win typically have questions at that position. Despite his improvements, he still hasn't won. It's not fair, but thats a fact that can't be overlooked.
     
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  3. Fins Hipster

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    And one can certainly propose that there are other parts of the team responsible for his performance, but there is no objective evidence that when those parts of the team play better, so does he. Of course you can take that all the way up to the level of the head coach, and say he'd be playing better if the team had a better head coach, but there is no objective evidence of that, either. In the end there is going to be a great deal of resistance to viewing Tannehill as anything other than the QB of the future, because to do so is to realize that this team has almost nothing for certain going for it in the future. GM, head coach, OC, DC, QB -- these are all uncertainties. Nobody really knows how good any of those people are.
     
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  4. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    But win percentage is not an accurate way to judge a quarterback, though.

    Remember, the Jets went to two (three?) straight AFC Championship games. But can you honestly say that happened because Mark Sanchez was playing great, well, or even decent as their quarterback?
     
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  5. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Hey your gonna find out what people think of Tannehill. He's either gonna be an asset or a hindrance in the coming coaching search.
     
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  6. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    All of this.

    Multiple times.
     
  7. finwin

    finwin Active Member

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    Brutal schedule this year. Beat the Lions and Packers, that's the equivilant to last years Cards and Jets OT losses. ANyway, I'm still on keeping the status quo at if we get 9-7. If not then clean house. The loss of Albert and Moreno have led to the Dallas Thomas jinx. Problem is, Albert and Moreno both came with injury histories. The year before that losing Gonzales.
     
  8. fins104

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    I think Tannehill is a good QB but he has a limited ceiling. I would absolutely call the team with the 1st or 2nd overall pick and see if we could trade tannehill for the pick and see if they would go for it. He will never be an elite QB. Also would save us money because of the contract extension he is gonna need soon.
     
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  9. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Listen, I agree with you. But you also can't overlook the overall ineptitude of this franchise. No legit WR's to throw to year one, one of the worst OL in NFL history last year, and more of the same this year.

    Of course, you can always argue that great QB's overcome adversity and I'd have no counter argument.

    It sucks though. That I know. I love Tannehill but at the end of the day he needs to be looked at like every other starter on the roster.
     
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  10. resnor

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    Hahaha!

    He was drafted where he was simply because his ceiling is so high. I say fix the oline, get a big physical receiver, and see what Tannehill does next season. Then act accordingly.
     
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  11. JMHPhin

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    and this is what makes you foolish, take these then factor in drops, defense laspses and no stops on 3rd down, blown oline assignments etc
     
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  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Bumrush, I'd counter that the greats look like trash when their olines are a sieve. I'd counter that when a three man rush is getting crazy pressure that the QB has no I've to throw to.
     
  13. Fins Hipster

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    I wish to argue nothing other than there is no objective evidence that Tannehill is playing at the level he needs to for the team to be highly competitive without a stellar surrounding cast, and there is no objective evidence that it is attributable to anything other than him. Other parts of the team could indeed be at fault for his performance's not being better than it is, and he could certainly play better individually in the future than he is now, but there is no current, objective evidence that either of those things are true. People are certainly free to believe them, because people are free to believe whatever they'd like, but there is no objective support for those beliefs.
     
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  14. fins104

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    His ceiling isn't that high hate to break it to you. It's 3 years later and we can all probably agree to that. I agree with you though I would have no problem doing that, just listing an option i wouldn't be pissed at. If we can trade Tannehill for Mariota or Winston id take it and run. Realistically we need to add height to our receiving corps, interior o-line for yet another offseason, a NT and LB depth so badly.
     
  15. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    LOL

    Do you really expect someone who starts calling people's names when he seems to run out of things to say to discuss facts with you? Good luck man.
     
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  16. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    No objective evidence?

    You mean other than the fact that his stats drastically improved from year to year?
     
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  17. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    You still have no answers.

    Typical.
     
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  18. PhinsMondayNitro

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    But he's improving guys
     
  19. PhinsMondayNitro

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    "His ceiling is so high" after 3 failed seasons. It's the offensive lines fault, no it's the wide receivers fault, no it's the coaches fault. Does Tannehill get any blame or is he perfect in your eyes.
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    how much of today's first half did you watch?
     
  21. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    What's your point man? If you'd down on the dude fine. Why do the rest of us have to be.
     
  22. Silverphin

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    Except you won't find a single post here saying that Tannehill's perfect. I, personally, am not going to put the whole entire blame on Tannehill when it's obvious that there's a lot wrong with the units surrounding him.
     
  23. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    So this team with the 1 or 2 pick in need of a qb is gonna take a qb that you've decided isn't good enough so we need a 1 or 2 pick to get a better one. Worst. Logic. Yet.
     
  24. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

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  25. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    This.

    In a nutshell.

    Got no problem with drafting a QB to push Tannehill further. I just don't believe you give up on what has shown to be promising improvement.
     
  26. Patssuck

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    I love how you have not given a single shred of evidence that he is below average. Your post is weak even for you and that is saying something
     
  27. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    This forum in the 2 days after a defeat is the worst place to be. I like tannehill. I think he's got enough about him and he's improved enough that we keep going. It's the same waffle every time. Draft another qb. Tannehill holds this team back. He'll never be Marino. Deep ball. Same old same old. Like the teams problems since tannehill arrived. The oline and the run game. Weak. Fix the line. Let Miller run. Tannehill can take the perceived low percentage plays and we can get back to winning. Like we were doing. 4 weeks ago. When the line was working. And we could run the ball.
     
  28. JMHPhin

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    This ^

    Its not that people have questions re: Tannehill ability to reach the level we need or want, its the complete and assinine way he gets undue blame for defense inability to make a stop, the clear to everybody but the complete biased drops and the revolving door oline. Tannehill has been asked to overcome failures by every facet of this team regularly and yes some of his own. he isnt w/o blame, but he has had a crap hand at times as well as a piss poor head coach and d coord that cant call a game to save his life.


    to not blame anyone other than RT and not consider his inexperience and what the expected level of play should be at this time with the cards he has just shows bias. He has been below expecetd level but not by much IMO. adn he took major strides in the major area of weakness today.
     
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  29. DolphinGreg

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    Tannehill is not the problem.

    He was the best player on the offense today.
     
  30. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Absolutely.

    By a wide margin.
     
  31. Fins Hipster

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    I'm sure you realize that you're speaking about an offense that scored 13 points in a must-win game? Of what is being the best player on such an offense, in such a game, evidence?
     
  32. resnor

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    Right. It's frustrating that pointing out the absolute underwhelming and downright horrific play by other units somehow makes me a Tannehill lover who things that Tannehill is perfect and a first ballot HoFer.

    It's absurd.
     
  33. DolphinGreg

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    Too many people around Ryan Tannehill are falling apart. The O-line is getting penalized left and right. Dallas Thomas is a catastrophe. Once again our play-calls (running the ball) were highly questionable.

    Perfect pass while getting hit towards a wide open Damien Williams for a walk-in TD....CHOKE.

    Perfect pass to a well-covered Reshard Matthews for a TD....DROP.
     
  34. Disgustipate

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    It's pretty reasonable to doubt that Tannehill isn't going to make the jump to become the next Aaron Rodgers.

    Tannehill is almost certainly going to be the unchallenged starter for the immediate future regardless of coaching or GM changes. You might be in the kind of situation where you focus on building a team around his limitations, but regardless it's highly unlikely that anyone isn't going to choose working with him as the clear path forward.
     
  35. Fins Hipster

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    Prior to today's game, Ryan Tannehill had three passes of 20+ yards in the air dropped, which was no different from the league norm. This isn't something that plagues him any more than it does the average QB.
     
  36. DolphinGreg

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    Who is Fins Hipster planning to replace him with?
     
  37. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Replacing Tannehill will not be an issue. Replacing any QB will not be an issue. We play spread, and many QBs can play in the system. RT is not crucial to the Dolphins future.
     
  38. Rocky Raccoon

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    QB Rating:

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    2013: 81.7
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    Ryan Tannehill has made clear improvement each year and he's had a fine year. He is not the problem and we should be building up the offense around him.
     
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  39. Dolphins1Beatles

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    They need to keep him but they should be drafting QB's every year (1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round...whatever, just keep drafting one. Look at Russell Wilson, who was drafted after Tannehill) until they find one that sticks. Its too important a position to ignore. Otherwise the playoff win drought will just continue to build. We're passing the 14th year now, approaching 15 YEARS.
     
  40. Ducken

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    To add to this point, look at how bad Brady look against us the 1st game. I read articles that said he looked done and needed to retire. But look what happens when his Oline starts protecting him, all world Brady again.

    I would love to see Ryan behind a good line for a full year. All this talk would be gone.
     
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