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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by JShady, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to weigh in on this if I can,

    I have to agree with canning Philbin at this point along with Coyle. The reason being is based mostly on the misuse of our actual talent on defense. I know we've had injuries, but many of the players (mainly Dion Jordan) have been misused. The fact that Philbin and Coyle bumbled the situation with Dion Jordan is probably one of the biggest reasons I want them fired. With that and the mediocrity that has been attached to both of them....They have to go.
    Back to Jordan though, I applauded Ireland at the time for having the balls to make the trade and take this guy, but ultimately we have suffered because we didn't take a lineman instead, and Lane Johnson was on board at the time. Regardless at this point it doesn't matter, but the fact that we have not been able to use the third overall pick out of a decent draft correctly is asinine.
    I don't think Jordan lacks talent or ability, I just think he hasn't gotten the coaching needed to become the player he's capable of being so far. Yes....Jordan has made some mistakes off the field (coaching plays in this a little), but the point i'm trying to make is that while on the field, Jordan has not been used correctly...That is an epic fail on the part of the defensive coaching staff for not getting this guy more involved on defense. I think that realistically ultimately falls on Coyle and should cost him his job.

    As for Philbin....Its time, there is nothing else I can say at this point. He doesn't hold players accountable, and he is simply just not the guy to be coaching in South Beach. Too many of our players have made headlines here and there about things that have "happened" off the field (IE Dion Jordan) while under the leadership of Philbin. Its easy to get distracted in a city like Miami, and players really need a coach that is going to lead vocally, fatherly, professionally and honestly. Philbin is very professional and he does lead by example, but he is neither vocal, fatherly or honest with these players. I also don't think he has their respect and that would go back to the father aspect of it.
    Look at coaches like Pete Carroll, Rex Ryan, Bill Cowher, Chip Kelly, John Gruden, Jim Harbaugh...Their players would run through brick walls enforced with steal for them if asked. Philbin to me is a push over and its hard to believe in what you are doing when you are led by a push over. It shouldn't happen...Philbin is not a leader of men, he's an X's and O's kind of guy...he's a head coaches right hand man, he's got the brains, just not the fight and he just isn't cut out to be a head coach.
    Long post, thanks for reading.
     
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  2. JShady

    JShady Miami Heat lover

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    Nailed it.
     
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  3. Ducken

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    Rex will be the next great head coach in the NFL if he can land on a team with a good GM to get him the players he wants and a good OC he can trust.
     
  4. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    Ross does like NY guys. So here's hoping.
     
  5. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Would the Jets fire Rex if they knew the Dolphins wanted him? That's what I'm worried about.

    Wouldn't they have reservations if they knew he'd be staying in the division?
     
  6. Ducken

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    I would agree with you if it was any other team. But then again I have doubts our owner can see the value in Rex.
     
  7. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    They are not going to keep him just to keep him from us...
     
  8. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Idzik has no love for Rex, probably has wanted to fire him from day one but the moment was never right.
     
  9. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    His teams have always outperformed their talent level.
     
  10. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I can't imagine a worse idea than hiring Rex Ryan.
     
  11. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Finally something we disagree on, haha! ;)

    I'd take Rex only because I think he's a top-tier DC. With talent his defenses are Super Bowl caliber and when devoid of talent, he still rallies the troops.

    As I've said several times, I'd be happy about a Rex + Lazor situation next year.
     
  12. Jt0323

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    Jets winning today soften the blow! I am glad we are not them!
     
  13. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I'm considering not renewing if we hold onto this coaching staff.
     
  14. JShady

    JShady Miami Heat lover

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    Would you be okay with keeping Lazor?
     
  15. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    I don't think any new coach is going to keep Bill Lazor. He's been nothing special. See our 2nd half performance today. Who cares about Tannehill? If he can't get up to speed with a new coaching staff, he'll be gone and we'll get another QB.
     
  16. dullfandan

    dullfandan Active Member

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    I'm all for firing joe because he is not hc material.. But u have to applaud how he has handled RT.. He is a good teacher jes not a good motivator... We are well coached jes not motivated... That being said I like Rex for dc but let's be real, I don't think he is into taking a dc job when hc jobs are out there and the Dolphins are not interested.. Lastly if joe gets fired and we bring Gus or Jim u can be certain lazor will be gone, replaced by guys the new hc trust to do their bidding..
     
  17. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I basically have three picks for the Dolphins head coaching position, but I don't think any of them are headed to Miami.

    1) My first pick is Harbaugh. I think he will end up coaching the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Redskins,or possibly leave the NFL and coach Michigan. I just don't see him having much interest in the Dolphins job.

    2) Pick number two is Todd Bowles. I think if he had not been passed over for Philbin 3 years ago, he might have an interest in the job. I just think he feels that Ross never wanted him at the time and now I don't think he will want the Dolphins. I also think he will have other opportunities to be a HC after this season and he will be the HC of another NFL team next year.

    3) My third choice is Ryan. I think with a better offense than he has with the Jets and his ability to mold defensive players to fit his scheme, he would be a success in Miami. I just feel that Ryan wants to take next season off from coaching to find out if he likes working in television more than coaching at this stage of his life. So I really don't see him coaching anywhere next season.

    Since I don't see any of my top choices in Miami next year, I'm afraid that will mean Ross will have to replace Philbin with another coach who will take the job because none of the top candidates have any interest in the head coaching position with the Dolphins.

    I just wish the Dolphin head coaching position still had the same allure it once had and it was still a job the best head coaching candidates wanted. Unfortunately under this ownership the only thing we seem to get are individuals no one else wants to hire for the positions they are hired for with the Dolphins.

    It it is certainly time for Philbin to go. I'm just worried that the next head coach might not end up being an upgrade over the last several head coaches we have had over the last decade.

    We can only hope Ross has learned from his past failures as an NFL owner and he gets it right this time.
     
  18. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Based on what do we have a good GM? Did he get us Kelvin Benjamin? No, he got a freakin tackle in the first round.
    He got Albert, Moreno, and Delmas, they all failed, throw in Finnegan too. Zero critical production when it mattered, in December.

    I don't want to shat on him cause he is green between the ears as far as tenure, but let's not get over board with compliments.
     
  19. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're absolutely right to be cautious. I could live with Ryan or Bowles because they are defensive guys. While I don't like him myself, I appreciate the case that can be made for Harbaugh.

    But at the end of the day, you're right. Firing Philbin probably means we're going to wind up with a mid-level coach who no one's talking about.

    One thing for the rational folks to consider is sticking with Philbin and Company for the short term--maybe another 2 seasons--so we can tackle the issue of finding a more legitimate HC once our roster is more developed.

    After all, 2 more offseasons would give Hickey a chance to replace more of Ireland's mistakes.
     
  20. dullfandan

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    Benjamin drops wide open passes, I think he has done a better job at evaluating talent then Ireland... I know not saying much right...
     
  21. DPlus47

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    Yep. I could see Rex and his wife liking South Florida; I think Northern California to South Florida would be a more difficult transition for a family.

    [I realize I know little about the people involved, but I know the regions involved].
     
  22. jw3102

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    Above all else, to fans football is entertainment. Fans only show up in Miami if they are entertained and that means winning games. All the empty seats in the stadium this year and in recent years clearly shows that many fans aren't willing to support a mediocre team by purchasing tickets to the game.

    I no longer live in South Florida but I have to imagine that if Ross keeps Philbin after this season, there will be even less season ticket holders next year and more empty seats at home games.

    While I have no idea if the next head coach will be any better or have more success than Philbin. The reality is that Philbin has shown over the course of the last three years that he just can't get the job done on a consistent enough basis.

    Part of being rational is looking at a problem and determining that changes need to be made to improve these problems. I agree that improving the talent on the roster will certainly alleviate part of the problem, but I see coaching as a major problem and therefore a change is also needed at the head coaching position.

    As I stated earlier, I have no way of knowing if the next head coach will be an upgrade or not. All I do know at this time is that Philbin is NOT the answer at the head coaching position. Even if Ross can't hire one of my top three selections to succeed Philbin, I still feel a change needs to be made. I just have zero faith in Philbin as the Dolphins head coach at this time and I think that is probably how a majority of Dolphin fans feel at this time.
     
  23. Tin Indian

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    I'm not interested in Harbaugh. He does seem to have checked out in SF and to me that doesn't speak to well of him. Bowles would be a good choice if he isn't holding a grudge, he did well in his limited opportunity here and was always a good DC. Honestly I find Rex to be an intriguing option as well. The guy without doubt can coach some D and his players seem to love him. Hell, I've always gotten a kick out of his pressers and his attitude. Only real problem with him is he has only vaguely heard of offense and has no clue what to do with it. If you go with Rex you had better have a good OC to go with him. I think that Lazor is a good OC and has done a good job with Thill this year.

    As far as Hickey goes he did a good job of shoring up this team this year in a short period of time. This team has the injury bug something fierce this year and with only one offseason he hasn't had enough time to get adequate depth. I think Hickey did a solid job this year and I think we are in good shape going forward at GM.

    Head Coach, we'll have to see what happens but clearly Philbin is going to have to go.
     
  24. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Unfortunately the attendance issue goes a lot deeper than the W-L record. It's actually a whole other can of worms.

    Miami is about the last place I'd want to own a sports franchise.

    As we both know, there are lots of perennially awful teams that avoid having attendance issue: Buffalo is a good example. Miami is an outlier because of what it is.

    Miami is a unique city.

    Lots of native folks (like you and me) have moved out of South Florida and that's a big reason that the team has such a weak fan-base.
     
  25. Califin

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    I absolutely love to hate Rexy as the Jets leader, and I have no doubt I could love to love him as our own, fat, skinny, or otherwise.

    Aside from his apparent dearth of head coaching prowess, I dislike the lack of meaningful accountability which Philbin exudes, while in contrast appreciate how deeply Ryan has emmersed himself.

    I believe he would be inclined to accept the position under the condition that Lazor be retained as OC. He has experience in not only reaching the post season, but winning in it, yet still hungers for a championship.

    The question is whether or not he's a target candidate for the likes of Ross, who appears a bit too conservative for the obnoxious, oafish, often too outspoken clown that Ryan has proven to be.
     
  26. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Woa bro, he got Juwan James who I think is going to be a mainstay at the tackle position for years to come. I think James is going to be one of the best tackles in the game by the time he retires lol. Branden Albert was a move that had to be made, Knowshon Moreno was a gamble and it didn't pay off, as were Finnegan and Delmas who we got 3/4 of a season out of. The moves were questionable at the time, we all knew that and we all voiced that. We did have a decent draft though coming out of it with James and Landry...Two guys who I think are going to have long careers as Miami Dolphins. If I had to give Hickey a grade based on the draft and free agency i'm probably giving him a solid C for his first year. NO doubt he's got to improve, but don't sleep on us drafting James, he's going to be a great lineman.
     
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  27. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I don't give af about the main stay at RT in the 1st rd, and neither should you or the GM. Bills got one in the 7th round, from our own back yard. And he is playing better than Juwan. Juwan is not 1st rd good any way and he does not score TDs.

    I've been there before with the morons who drafted Jake Long 1st overall, and Vernon Carey. Neither were 1st rd worthy. it's a dumb move. Hickey's got long ways to go.
     
  28. Fin4Ever

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    I would in no way pass up on Harbaugh because of this season. Upper management as well as the players have been against him all year. The players quit on him to appease management..Come on down to Miami Jim as most of us will jump for joy if you come here, and let's be serious and work out a 5-6 year deal for starters.
     
  29. Fin4Ever

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    Sorry, for me I will pass on the former jet until all else seems hopeless..For quite a few years this guy has been slamming us and making fun of us..Has everyone forgot about that?
     
  30. Tin Indian

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    I dont believe that Harbaugh would come here anyway. In fact I expect that he will be the coach of the Raiders next year. I have heard that his wife does not want to leave the Bay area so if that matters at all he is staying on the west coast.
     
  31. byroan

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    So? We're a divisional opponent. It happens.

    Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk
     
  32. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Dude don't get me wrong, I agree with you for the most part especially about Jake Long and Vernon Carey. Thing is James was a need and the BPA at the time when we picked him so I applaud the pick. Jake Long and Carey arguably were need picks rather than BPA picks. I completely agree though, we need playmakers and TD type of players. For all the good Tannehill has done, if Matt Ryan is under center for us we aren't having a debate about our QB and this team is a yearly candidate for the playoffs or better.
     
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    If Ross keeps Hickey, then it should be his decision. If Ross wants to hire a coach around Hickey, then I doubt a good coach wants the job unless they are in charge. If that is true, the we get a new GM. I believe hickey should be allowed to make the decision if you want an opportunity to be a healthy organization.
     
  34. Fin4Ever

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    Yes, I realize that Byron but I think we will have several highly qualified coaches in for interviews and shucks...I don't get to make the selection...in another thread I spelled out what I would do or where we need additional help IMHO only..but I will tell ya Rec was one of the coaches I would bring in for an interview.
     
  35. Fin4Ever

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    Yeah Greg, They would make a good Trio..Ryan, Hickey,&Lazor.
     
  36. magicap

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    If they hire Rex ryan I will be taking a 3-4 year hiatus until he is fired.
     
  37. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I don't for one second believe that Matty Ice would be leading this current team to the playoffs.
     
  38. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I can tell you with 100% certainty who will not lead any team to SB: Juwan James and Jake Long, a RT and LT.
     
  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Colledge will be a UFA, so simply don't re-sign him.

    I'd personally keep Wheeler because the cap savings by cutting him is only like $200k. I'd keep Gibson too, let him compete for a job in camp, because as a 4th WR you could do a whole lot worse.
     
  40. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I disagree my friend. The only thing that means another season for Philbin would be making the playoffs with a 9-7 back in, and the team not embarrassing itself.

    If anyone in the front office has the power to demand it though, Philbin should be ordered to start Billy Turner at LG, Tripp at OLB, and Aikens at FS, and give them each every possible snap the last two games. Also increase Fede and McCain's snaps in the rotation.

    Personally, I'd be just as happy with Rex Ryan as head coach, especially if he keeps Lazor and Benton on the staff. I doubt there is a better defensive mind in the league and I think the press conferences would be much more exciting than listening to monotone mundane Joe, straight from the American Gothic painting, if he wore bib overalls and wire frame glasses.
     

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