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Hyde: End of the Philbin era is coming

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    And we did over the last 4 years? Bless your heart
     
  2. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    The team is still unwatchable.
     
  3. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The attraction to Malzahn is the same as it was for Chip Kelly. This is a coach who has had top offenses everywhere he has coached, with different styles of quarterbacks. In 2008, he was the offensive coordinator at Tulsa. He has the #1 total offense in the country at 569.9 yards per game. He also had the #2 scoring offense at 47.2 PPG. His rushing offense was #5 in the country at 268 yards per game. His passing offense was 9th in the country at 301.9 yards per game.

    In 2008, Auburn was #104 in the country in total offense and #111 in scoring offense. Gus moved to Auburn as offensive coordinator in 2009. In 2009, Auburn's offense improved from #104 to #16 in total offense and #17 in scoring offense. This was with Chris Todd as his quarterback. Then in 2010 with Cam Newton, the offense was #7 in total offense and #7 in scoring offense.

    This guy simply knows how to create offense, and he uses tempo and misdirection to create mass confusion for the defense. His hiring of Will Muschamp as defensive coordinator also shows that he realizes you can't win with just offense alone.
     
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  4. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    I'd give someone's bowel a shot over another year of Philbin
     
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  5. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Malzahn runs power formation football. Has nothing in common with Chip Kelly except for zone read. When it comes to passing game, Malzahn is akin to Coughlin----run, run, run, run, deep bomb--no different than Shula, Harbaugh, Saban and all other power formation coaches.
     
  6. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    Some of that has to attributed to Auburn not having a QB since he's beens there yet, no?
     
  7. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Those are unequivocally my 2 top choices. Harbaugh and Cowher.
     
  8. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I doubt it. It's just his philosophy. I think Nick Marshall is excellent for his system precisely because he runs so much and only throws deep.
     
  9. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    You can't blame the talent level, when Philbin has proven over and over again that he is a terrible game manager.

    Ignoring Philbin's boring personality, the fact players don't seem to like him, and a scandal under his realm... I just don't want a coach that can't manage a close 4th quarter game.
     
  10. Why cant both be blamed?
     
  11. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Is Hyde's report supposed to be a newsflash? I mean, seriously, only the most unreasonable Philbin lover can say something different.

    41-13 is obvious (though it was basically obvious after last week): Philbin is gone. Has been. Will be.
     
  12. ASUFinFan

    ASUFinFan Uh huh

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    Exactly. If you want him, then you should want Todd Graham too. Those two are of the same mold. Boys, great friends. When each coach took their jobs they traveled to see each coaches new campus. These two coaches love each other. One wouldn't say the other is better! Just one is now in the SEC :)
     
  13. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Bringing in a new coach (especially a "name") often means a new GM, a new offensive or defensive philosophy, and a lot of roster turnover. There is no surer path toward a 4-12 season next year.
    There is only one coach that has proven he can make something work, at least for a three year stretch, held together by nothing more than duct tape and schemes. And that guy is Rex Ryan. If you can keep Lazor, I'm pretty sure Ryan can make the defense click without trading away guys like Wake and Dion.
     
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  14. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I'd be fine with Harbaugh or Malzahn, but as a Dolphins fan living in Jets country, the thought of Rex Ryan becoming our coach makes me giddy. You guys who don't live here have no idea how much Jets fans love Rex and how PISSED they'll be if he becomes the coach of a hated rival.

    We know Rex can coach, and he brings a fire we desperately need right now.
     
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  15. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    With that said, earning a winning season this year is still important to me. I want 9-7. We have a shot. Let's get it done.
     
  16. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    Even the most talented teams in the league are going to be involved in some nail biters.
    Based on what I've seen, I sure as heck donn't want Philbin managing the Timeouts/game clock/playcalling in a one possession game with under 5 minutes left. (regardless of how good the team is)
     
  17. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    The draft isn't very deep this year for most of our positions of need, with the exception of DE. We'll be picking middle of the pack as usual. I wouldn't mind tanking next year if we can pick up a few playmakers in next years draft.
     
  18. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Uhh, yeah I'd say Gus Malzahn is a lot better than Todd Graham. Success has followed Malzahn much more so than Graham. Seems like you might be pushing Graham (pretty consistently, as I recall) for a reason...might have something to do with your name...
     
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  19. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Wrong, plenty of examples to prove otherwise, one being our own team wiping everyone out back in 2008 and immediately winning the division, Atlanta the same year, Kansas City last season, Colts in 2012, etc etc.
     
  20. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The first time I entertained the thought of Rex coaching the Phins, I threw up in my mouth a little.

    But, with every post you make... you're starting to convince me. Boy, that sure would piss off Jets fans. And, nothing really would make me happier than that.
     
  21. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    As I said elsewhere, based on well-educated guesswork, I believe Steve Ross' initial sketch of an interview wish list will include (in no particular order):

    Bill Cowher
    Jim Harbaugh
    Rex Ryan (dual interview, for Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator)
    Urban Meyer

    Steve Ross is very much a guy that keeps his ear out for what the peanut gallery are saying and right now the assistant coaches they talk about are Dan Quinn and Adam Gase. There's also some talk about Pat Shurmur, who probably has a better grasp on what Chip Kelly is really doing out in Philadelphia than Bill Lazor does/did. The upshot there would be Shurmur would probably look to keep Lazor (who is still well regarded) and perhaps some of the offensive coaches likes John Benton. So when/if Steve Ross strikes out on the BIG fish that he really wants to hook, I think he could widen out the candidate field to assistants like these.

    He will have to tack on a Rooney Rule interview because none of the above are minorities. It's an unfortunate reality and I won't say there's any right or wrong in it, but some minority coach will interview knowing he doesn't really have much of a shot at the job. Who will that be? Everyone says Todd Bowles but I don't think so. I think Bowles will flat out refuse to interview. He interviewed last year and I don't think the experience was a good one, as everyone knew heading into it that he didn't have a real shot, he was the Rooney Rule guy, and when they interviewed Mike McCoy they even asked him about keeping Bowles as a defensive coordinator which I find to be highly inappropriate considering Bowles was a candidate for the Head Coach job and supposed to be on equal footing with McCoy and Philbin. So which minority coach will do it? Mike Singletary, in my opinion. He's looking to get back into coaching and I think he wants to get his name out there. He's coaching the Shrine Game. I think he'd welcome the headlines associated with being interviewed for a Head Coach position, even if he didn't have much of a shot at the job.
     
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  22. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    I do think we'll finally land either Cowher, Gruden or Harbaugh. I have to think Ross, who is 74 years old and has had zero success as an NFL owner in six years, will do whatever it takes to get one of those guys.
     
  23. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Whoever said that Malzahn's offense is run, run, run hasn't watched his offense very much. When he was at Springfield High School in Springfield, Arkansas, his quarterback, Mitch Mustain, was a record setting passer and the Parade All American Player of the Year.
     
  24. ASUFinFan

    ASUFinFan Uh huh

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    No. I appreciate the response. But there's no ASU agenda here. Honestly. I was trying to make a point. I don't want a college coach, period.

    But success has followed? You might want to look at each coaches' pedigree. Does what you said have anything to do with one being in the SEC? One is 29-9 and one is 27-12. I heard his name loudly last year. Now again this year. What was their ranking last year and what is their ranking this year compared to other programs? What is it that makes anyone think he can make the college to NFL flip? He's still raw in the college ranks. That was my point.

    But I will add since you inquired, Todd Graham hired Gus to be his OC at Tulsa in 07, and they tore it up. But, definitely, Gus got jobbed out of the Arkansas job that year before, he was the scapegoat for them that year.

    Also, another reason I mention them in the same breath was they are best friends. When Graham took the ASU job Gus flew out to Az to see the campus with Graham, and told him and media that "you can win it all here". My memory isn't best, but I believe he was at Arkansas State at that time! There is no coach closer to Gus than Graham. That is a fact. Last year Gus tried to send a few of his recruits to ASU last second even...But they couldn't qualify for ither programs, it was a Internet math class if I recall. Dalvon Stuckey one of the top JC recruits in the country.
     
  25. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Our team had a lot to do with the stars aligning (i.e. Brady injured, Pennnington healthy, easy schedule, etc.). Not impossible, just really really improbable. Like I've indicated, I'm comfortable rolling the dice on a few guys other than Philbin, but the list is short.

    On a side note, what happened to Pennington? That guy had QB coach/future off. coordinator written all over him.
     
  26. djphinfan

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    bet you money Jason Taylor will vouch for ryan.
     
  27. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    stop your trolling bull****...have you seen that guy on the sideline ? he is a walking corpse....no emotion, no fire...nothing.....outscored 48-3 the last 2 games in the 2nd half....HE IS DONE
     
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  28. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    Id take Harbaugh over Philbin in a NY second.
     
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  29. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Sure you do. You fire a coach to send a signal to the team that they're all on notice. It's not as if we're gaining anything by going 8-8, 7-9 rather than 4-12. Philbin is a waste of our time.
     
  30. Unlucky 13

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    Every single post he makes is a troll. The username is a joke of some sort. Not a funny one.
     
  31. Unlucky 13

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    I watch very little SEC football. I've only seen them play two or three games since he's been hired, and seeing highlights.
     
  32. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    He doesn't have a set offensive mindset. Hes a master of creating a game plan to fit the talent he has. Auburn actually isn't very good. They have no QB and their defense is absolute trash he inherited and he's had them contending since the day he got there. Hes just a brilliant mind sort of like Chip Kelly.
     
  33. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Philbin was our fourth or fifth choice as head coach. We didn't want him. We settled for him. He had no head coaching experience, and as offensive coordinator at Green Bay, he didn't call the offensive plays. The results are consistent with all that. Time to get an experienced pro head coach, not one to learn on the job.
     
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  34. mlb1399

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    I'd take Rex Ryan as a DC but hell no to him as our HC. I don't want to be rebuilding again in another 3 years. That's why I'm also hesitant about hiring a college coach.

    It seems like some of the better coaches come from the coordinator ranks. I'd like to start there.
     
  35. shadokp

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    I would love for us to get our first choice this time and not settle. I at least hope that the press does not get wind that we are settling again, if that happens. Already if Harbaugh is not the guy, we are already on our second choice - why can't this stuff remain a secret.

    I think Miami looks a little better this year. There are more pieces in place. We were 3-4 drives away from winning that many more games.
     
  36. fins104

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    LOL every team is like that unless you are in contention for the number 1 pick. There aren't many blowouts in the NFL most teams could win 3-4 more games every year. The better teams actually win those games. This team has completely regressed the 2nd half of the year and we look horrible now. Our offensive line is a complete trash can all around looking at PFF. Our DL has been awful recently, Hartline and Gibson are complete liabilities according to PFF, we have no big targets for Tannehill, our LB's suck. This team is not good. We need a new coach badly, but to act as if the coach is the only problem is lying to yourself. This team stinks yet again.

    First moves this offseason are to cut Hartline, Gibson, Starks and get a big target for Tannehill. The reason he throws so many critical INT's is because everything has to be timing and intermediate depth because Tannehill before yesterday couldn't get the deep ball right and none of the receivers are big enough to throw the ball up and hope they catch it. This team is in a lot worse shape than a lot of you realize.

    Positions that need to be addressed before next year- OG (both spots), WR, DT, CB, LB, S. All need to be addressed. We are a 500 team, don think this team is severely overachieving, although we need a new coach in the worst way.
     
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  37. Unlucky 13

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    I am in absolute agreement. Of course, I have been since Saban left, and the team hasn't exactly cooperated since then...

    I was really against Rex when I started looking at who I wanted to replace Philbin after last season, but I've warmed to him. Hiring a guy who really wants to beat not just one, but two of our division Rivals every year really does have its perks. I'm not th world's biggest fan of the guy, but hiring someone with a personality and some fire would certainly be a step in the right direction. When Cam Cameron is the most personable HC we've had since Wanny was fired, something is very, very wrong.
     
  38. byroan

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    We already have. Multiple times.
     
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    I think some people were intrigued by Malzahn because he has had success with offenses at the college level. He seemed to be a hot commodity as a possible future NFL head coach after the success of Auburn in 2013.

    This year though, Auburn didn't have nearly the success and the defense at Auburn has been very mediocre since Malzahn became the head coach. I think he is a very good college head coach, but I really don't have a desire to see him as the Dolphins next head coach.
     
  40. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Shula had attitude. That attitude defined his personality, of which he had plenty. Ask even those of his players who feared and hated him, and the officials he intimidated.

    I know Coach Shula isn't going to take the job, and he's earned his emeritus retirement. I also know that Rexy is no Don Shula, and that it's a different league now. But when I look at Rexy, I see attitude and I see heart. If Rexy is offered the job, I can see him getting all over being the Coach of the Miami Dolphins, and buying into the imperative to greatness that the franchise's history brings. My only question is whether he can institute what it takes to be great, whether the players like it or not, as Shula did when he instituted the 12-minute run.

    i don't know whether this is possible under league rules, but If I were Ross, I'd thank Philbin for his good work and let him know a change is going to be made at the end of the season, offering him something to cushion the blow, and preventing another Harbaugh disaster. I would then talk to Woody now on the QT and get his permission to talk to Rexy. On Black Monday, I'd announce the change and have Rexy come in and talk to the players about what needs to happen in the offseason, and what will happen to whomever comes in out of condition or less than 100% committed to give 110%.
     

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