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Salguero: Tannenbaum and Marino are Ross' top advisors

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Dec 15, 2014.

  1. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Men in Stephen Ross's ear: Marino, Tannenbaum

    Joe Philbin fate seems sealed following Sunday's 41-13 blowout loss at the hands of the New England Patriots. It wasn't so much this lone failure that is the coach's undoing but rather the last two weeks in which Philbin has been unable to coax his team to play well in the biggest games of the year -- games that decided Miami's postseason status.
    And in that regard, the failures against Baltimore and New England resembled the team's inability to close in the final two games of the 2013 season when the playoffs beckoned and the Dolphins could not win even once to reach the postseason.
    So now Philbin's days are numbered.


    Posted by Armando Salguero at 12:56 AM | Permalink

    Read more here:
    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2014/12/test.html#storylink=cpy

    Mod edit .Please dont post entire articles.Only one short paragraph

     
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  2. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Dan Quinn would be my first choice personally, I do hope we wait to fire Joe until the end of the season though.
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This is developing exactly as I've been saying for a very long time with respect to Marino.

    No matter how innocuous they tried to make that hire seem, even to Dan himself, you knew that when times got hard and Steve Ross has to put his "football people" (Joe Philbin, Dennis Hickey) on trial to see whether they need to be kept or fired, then Steve Ross is going to look around him at his circle of employees that he can trust to do WORK and come to him with an informed and valuable opinion as the product of that work...and he's going to wonder which of these people he can trust on the basis of them being real "football people". Matt Higgins? Pssh. Yeah right. And Dawn Aponte is fully being pigeon-holed as a capologist, not a football person. Carl Peterson is not an employee. He has to contract him for special jobs if he wants Carl to do anything but give an "opinions are like a$$holes" quality superficial opinion on anything. And he's not going to get more than that from a Tony Dungy or any of the other people Ross talks to on the phone once in a blue moon. And the last time he contracted Carl to help him out, the Dolphins executed one of the sloppiest GM searches in NFL memory.

    So Dan Marino's hire may have LOOKED ceremonial, but in actuality it was always going to be a job that entailed evaluating the coaches and even the personnel in order to give Ross advice when the team is not winning.

    What I didn't foresee, but probably should have, was that Mike Tannenbaum may have weaseled his way into a similar role. He tried to get hired as the GM instead of Hickey but was denied. Instead they hired him as a tech/analytics consultant. But the same problem applies to him. When times get rough, Steve Ross is going to ask who are the football people around him that WORK for him, that he can trust to discuss Philbin/Hickey with? Dan Marino was always going to be one of those the moment he was hired. Evidently, so too was Mike Tannenbaum.
     
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  4. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Tennenbaum and Rex Ryan have worked together before...come on...
     
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  5. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Bring me Rexy!
     
  6. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I think Dan Marino would make an awesome HC. He commands respect. JMO
     
  7. Jersey Dolfan

    Jersey Dolfan Active Member

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    And don't forget that Jason Taylor was supposed to be on some advisors council too. He liked playing for Rex.
     
  8. rtl1334

    rtl1334 New Member

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    You notice how Armando seems to have sources while all Omar Kelly talks about is passer rating?
     
  9. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Rex Ryan at least bring excitement, swearing, and more swearing.

    I am soooo bored with being a Dolphins fan.
     
  10. magicap

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    You all are killing me with Rex Ryan. Sure the guy knows defense but that offense is dave pornstache like. If he is the head coach do you really think he lets any coordinator open up the playbook?
     
  11. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Say five Our Fathers and fifteen Hail Marys for having mentioned, even indirectly, the name of the destroyer of the Bears and this franchise that we don't mention.
     
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  12. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I hope Armando's right. Philbin needs to be gone. I'd rather they fired him now, actually.
     
  13. pmj

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    Count me in for Rex.
    Rex's D + with the production we have been getting out of Tannehill (hopefully continuing to progress) can win imo.
     
  14. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Yes I do. I think he is smart enough to understand that the reason he failed in New York was because of his lack of offense.As the Dolphins HC, he would inherit a better QB than he ever had with the Jets. The WR's are better in Miami and by adding a big back and a couple of starting caliber offensive guards, Ryan would have the best offensive unit he has ever had as an NFL head coach.

    I have no doubt he will demand more from the defense and if he doesn't get it, I expect many of the starters this year to be replaced over the next couple of seasons.

    I would have no problem with the hiring of Ryan as the next Dolphins HC. I just think he is likely to take a job in television instead and it wouldn't surprise me if he is a big hit on TV and never coaches another game in the NFL.
     
  15. Aquafin

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    the poor house
    I don't know if Marino would be a good coach that takes a whole lot of time weekends , holidays and long hours.


    here are some more coaches that played football .

    Bob Matheson = linebackers

    Joe Green = defensive line

    Larry Seiple = wide receivers

    Bernie Parmalee = assistant

    there are a couple of other players but I cant think of their names off the top of my head.

    isn't Larry Izzo's dad a head coach somewhere ?
     
  16. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    I have misgivings about Rex... but those would be alleviated if he fully committed to letting Lazor own the offensive side of the ball, INCLUDING QB decisions... INCLUDING being the coach with the most input on QB decisions on draft day (if it ever came to that).

    I do not want Rex somehow bringing 'his own' QB in here and forcing him on Lazor.
     
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  17. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I really don't get all the love for Lazor as an OC. The reality is that the Dolphins offense has scored a total of 3 TD's in the past three games. They have also been completely shut down in the second half of the past two games.

    Personally I think Lazor is totally overrated as the Dolphins OC. In fact I don't think he is any better than Sherman.

    I think the the next head coach should hire an experienced OC and demote Lazor to be the QB coach. I believe that is where Lazor is better suited. If Lazor doesn't want to accept the demotion and would rather leave the Dolphins, I just don't see it as a big loss.
     
  18. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I disagree whole heartedly. Lazor has put guys in position to make plays far more than Sherman ever did. Unless you want Lazor to play WR or become a red zone target I don't see what else you can ask.

    Coaches can only put players in position and offensively they have been. Line injuries have hurt as well.
     
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  19. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I'd be fine with that plan. I don't love Rex's personality as the face of the franchise,but I trust Rex as much as anybody to fix the D. I believe that he could take the pieces we have, add a couple of pieces and field a very good D every week. And I also like the direction of the offense under Lazor. Despite the obvious struggles that always accompany putting in a new system and some key injuries, the team went from about 26th in points scored to about 12th. And more importantly, I want continuity for Tannehill. It's the most important position in the game. He's played like a top 10 QB since the Raider game and he continues to improve. Even the much discussed long ball issues showed clear progress this last game (actually all along IMO, but you'd have to be particularly blind not to notice it yesterday). I think it's insane that some people want to give up on what is clearly a top 10 QB who is still improving. I think we could do worse than having a very good D and a top 10 (or better) QB going into every game next year.
     
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  20. MikeHoncho

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    Wonder what effect Tannenbaum has on bringing in Rex; whether bad or good.
     
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    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    Oh, and snacks. Don't forget the the goddamned snacks.
     
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  22. Tin Indian

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    The offense was playing better each week until we lost Albert. That is the root to the problems the offense has had the last few weeks. Not Lazor.
     
  23. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I certainly have no problem with you disagreeing with me concerning Lazor. I agree he can' t make the plays for the players on the field, but I also think he is weak when it comes to calling an entire game.

    I have no problem with the next head coach deciding if he wants Lazor to remain the OC or not. I just don't think keeping Lazor or even Hickey should be a demand Ross makes of his next Head coach.
     
  24. jcliving

    jcliving Active Member

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    I think Hickey should be given the authority to decide whether we keep Philbin or hire a new coach.
     
  25. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Lmao HELL NO
     
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  26. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    The Dolphins offense went into Denver and scored 36 points against a good Broncos defense without Albert. They also had trouble scoring points against the Bills and Chiefs earlier in the season when Albert was in the lineup.

    While the injury to Albert affected the offensive line play to some degree, the Dolphins offense played better against the Bills without Albert than it did with Albert.

    The real root of the problem with this team is that they were vastly overrated on defense. Many people on this forum were fooled by the defensive stats this team put up against weak offenses earlier in the season.

    Once the better teams showed up on the schedule, the defense showed it true colors and we all saw that this unit just doesn't have any playmakers they can rely on.


    The pass rush has completely disappeared in recent weeks and this defense just can't make a play to get the ball back when the game is on the line.

    The loss of Albert certainly put more pressure on the OL, but his injury isn't the reason this team faltered in the second half of the season.

    The poor play of the defense and the inability of the offense to score in the red zone is the reason this team will once again be watching the playoffs on TV when the regular season ends in two weeks.
     
  27. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I disagree. I want the next HC to determine if he wants Hickey to remain the GM. While I like his first two picks in last years draft. I just don't see anything he did during the season to add talent to the roster when injuries started affecting this team.

    Yet teams like the Patriots were able to add players who came in and made an immediate impact on their roster. The jury is still out on Hickey in my opinion and I don't think he has earned the right to select the next head coach.
     
  28. BayAreaFinFan

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    but what does he do with sturgis? You know Rex loves a good foot.
     
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  29. Tin Indian

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    lmfao!!!
     
  30. Tin Indian

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    I agree. I was only referring to the offenses struggles since Albert went down. The defense has been exposed as a paper tiger and can seemingly stop no one when the game is on the line.
     
  31. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    You know his wife would love it down here as well...
     
  32. MikeHoncho

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    Indeed. Great weather for wearing sandals year-round.
     
  33. rafael

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    I think the spacing for the running game was night and day compared to last season. I see that as Lazor's biggest impact. And that's saying something b/c I would also say that he had a very positive influence on Tannehill. Overall the offense seemed much more efficient to me. There was far better use of constraint plays than last year. I could quibble with play calls here and there and that will always be the case, but overall this offense is much improved.
     
  34. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Ya probably should have included the very next line of the article to tie in your title about Marino and Tannenbaum. But it was an interesting article... I just wish that his days had been numbered to the end of this season, but that's another thread...
     
  35. speed

    speed Banned

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    Lots of room for people in those Dumbo-like ears!
     
  36. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    If they are good advisers, they probably opted to keep Philbin because we weren't getting Harbaugh, Gruden or Cowher anyway. I'm sure they probably suspect that, in another year or two of ineptitude, Urban Meyer becomes a legit possibility.
     
  37. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Bob Matheson is dead. 20 years ago.
     

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