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Finally: A Free Thinker Speaks

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phoenician Fan, Dec 15, 2014.

  1. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    The first player selected by the Jets after Ryan was hired to be the head coach was Mark Sanchez. While he didn't work out as anticipated for the Jets, the fact the first pick was a QB certainly shows that Ryan understood the need to try and find a QB for the offense.

    Bill Belicheck failed with the Browns in his first head coaching position because he wasn't able to find a quality QB.

    Personally I think Ryan fully understands the importance of the QB position in the NFL. He just didn't have any luck finding a quality starting QB since taking over the Jets. At least if he were to become the HC of the Dolphins, Tannehill is already here and he is much better than any of the QB's Ryan has had with the Jets.
     
  2. texanphinatic

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    Seahawks are not a good team to use.

    a) You are severley underestimating Wilson. Pryor, Tebow, etc do not have his ability. There will be very few QBs like Wilson out there. You cannot just take a random "running QB" and expect this to work consistently. You need to be able to minimize TOs and mistakes and Time of Possession.
    b) You NEED to consistently hit your draft picks AND hit on low round picks/FAs. That team without Sherman would be different.
    c) Marshawn Lynch is EXACTLY the type of back this author would shun. He is fairly unique. You can't just plug any random player back there.

    The closest team would actually probably be the Texans, if they traded DeAndre Hopkins for some more defense. I think the current Texans team is showing how far this plan would go. A decent season, but not a SB winner.

    Having a good QB just makes things so much easier all around.
     
  3. Stringer Bell

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    It looks like there is a convolution of multiple points here.

    Investing in FA and investing in the draft aren't the same. I agree that giving big contracts to average QBs is a bad strategy. But I believe that you need to invest in QBs heavily in the draft.

    I also think that to a certain degree a 'top defense' in the current NFL isn't that attainable. The rules favor offense too much, to the point where defenses at times can't stop certain things if they are executed well enough.
     
  4. DolphinGreg

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    Thanks for the link. It was a really interesting article because we've seen teams like the Seahawks and Jets in recent years go very far on the back of having powerful running games paired with the league's #1 defense.

    Success is very hard to accomplish no matter how you're going about it. It took both teams several years to acquire their talent. It took immense luck for the Seahawks to land Wilson in the 3rd round. And it took the Jets firing their original HC, Mangini, in order to realize their potential under Ryan. It's a perilous road either way you go.

    Critical to the success of those defenses were their elite secondaries. They both featured the league's top defensive backfield, in my opinion. When the Jets were on top they had Revis, Cromartie and a couple aggressive safeties. The Seahawks feature Sherman, Thomas and a couple other very physical guys.

    That's hard to do though. Finding 6 or 7 really superb defensive stars is probably just as hard as finding a top-tier QB that'll last 12-15 years. We hear all the time about how few elite QBs are out there but in reality there are just as few elite CBs and Safeties.

    It truly is a talent-driven league in which the best teams usually have the most stand-out talent. The irony is that the best player require the least amount of coaching.

    I don't really care how you do it--meaning exactly what scheme you choose--you gotta have the right guys for your blueprint and they have to be top-tier talents.

    You look at the Broncos and Packers and you see an elite QB with an elite pass-blocking O-line and several elite WRs.

    You look at the Seahawks and see a very physical and strong front-7 paired with an elite secondary. The offense is built around physical running and utilizing Wilson's mobility.


    It's not about having the best talent or the best scheme. It's about having the right talent to excel in your scheme.
     
  5. VManis

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    Ryan's blueprint for a team has always been dominating defense and ground and pound offense. It's exactly the same philosophy that Wanny and Sparano tried and what the author of that article is advocating. Everyone cried about how you can't win in today's NFL with that philosophy and Ryan's record in NY backs that up.
     
  6. ToddPhin

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    LOL at any idiot who suggests a 2-12 team that could use as much young talent as it could find should trade away their previous year's 1st round pick whom they struck gold with and are virtually guaranteed to not duplicate the success of with the 1st rounder they get from him.

    ....not to mention the ******edness of wanting to trade away a physically dominant 6'5 235 receiver whom the offense will desperately need to mitigate accuracy issues when its sh**ty QB actually has to, you know, throw the ball. And what fool would want to intentionally deprive a run-based offense one of the game's best downfield and redzone targets when that's EXACTLY what it's gonna need to be successful, both in the essential play-action game and in the redzone when it can't rely on running every down against a compressed field? People use the Jets as an example to follow but NY had 2 receivers who could make plays downfield and could score on their own [Braylon Edwards & Santonio Holmes]. I've seen Ga Tech mentioned, as if people forget how integral Demaryius Thomas and Stephen Thomas were to their offense for the very reasons I referenced. Paul Warfield's presence was massively important to Miami's run-heavy offense.
     
  7. ElNino

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    Its a good idea in that we already have a QB that's good enough to win. So focus on everything else.
     
  8. ToddPhin

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    Ahhhhh right, because the proper thing for Rex to do with Sanchez, Gino, and Vick would be to employ an arial assault that not only wouldn't have been effective but would've also put his defense back on the field quicker when it needs to remain fresh. :unsure: Do you think if Rex had Aaron Rodgers that he'd have put training wheels on his arm? Gimme a break. Yup, Rex's track record "backs it up" so well that he BEAT BRADY AND MANNING in back-to-back playoff games using his philosophy while not having a franchise QB of his own to rely on. There was NOTHING wrong with Rex's philosophy while not having an elite QB to rely on. What was wrong was the declining roster he was provided, as well as the horrendous handful of drafts that Tannenbaum saddled him with. You act like Rex's record the past 4 years deserves a red mark when in fact it's a plus that he was able to squeeze 25 wins out of them. 8-8 last year with that hot mess of a team? Are you kidding me?

    Oh, by the way, what have the Broncos been doing lately now that they've found a running game and have been playing good D? The best QB in the history of the game only threw 20 passes in yesterday's 22-10 win over San Diego [while in sunny SD I might add], meanwhile his ground game ran the ball 39 times. It's a fact that offenses turn the ball over less frequently while running than passing; therefore if a team can win by running and playing good D, there's no need to risk extra turnovers by throwing the ball excessively, and there's no need to put the defense back on the field quicker than needed.
     
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  9. JimToss

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    Franchise QB's allow for deficiencies in a team to be hidden.

    It is a easier to find a franchise QB, than to establish a #1 ranked defense and running game simultaneously, especially in today's free agent era. It essentially finding one person compared to putting together an entire group, which cannot stay together for years. Whereas a QB can allow you to be a constant contender for their career.
     
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  10. KeyFin

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    If we're really just giving up on the QB position all-together to put together a running team, then I have just three words to say- It's Tebowmania Time!
     
  11. DevilFin13

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    Given that this is not 1970, I'd rather not build our offense around the running game. Hell, I'll take our dink and dunk offense every time over that.
     
  12. MikeHoncho

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    Yes,
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  13. VManis

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    Having Sanchez chuck it up 35+ times a game is working pretty well for Chip Kelly but I guess he doesn't know much about coaching. Vick looked like a legit NFl player last year what's happened to him this year? Aren't those signs of coaching.

    And Saprano took a 1-15 team and went 11-5 with them. Wannstedt won the AFC east and went to the playoffs in back to back 11-5 seasons. It's all ancient history and the NFL is all about what you did for me lately.

    Philbin was strapped with Ireland his first two seasons, where is his free pass?

    Are you honestly trying to say the Broncos are a ground and pound team?
     
  14. Disnardo

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    Well if you do not have an elite passing D, which will slow down an elite QB, your running game will not win you those games...
     
  15. ToddPhin

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    Yes I'm sure Chip Kelly is ecstatic about dropping 3 of his last 5 games with Sanchez's 79.8 Rating and more INTs than TDs. Vick is now 34 years old, dude. He's declined rapidly the past few years.

    Just a giant LOL at you using Chip Kelly to denigrate Rex. Yeah, if only Rex and every other HC in the league could pull a Chip Kelly out of his *** to run his offense. :unsure:

    blah blah blah, find me a coach who can win with dog**** at QB and an inferior roster. How 'bout you start there first. Establish a precedent before making such definitive claims.

    What, he DIDN'T get a free pass his first 2 years? I believe he did.


    That's exactly what Denver has been lately, genius. 128 runs to just 111 passes the past 4 weeks after discovering an effective ground and pound game against Miami.
     
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  16. resnor

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    Hahahahaha!!

    Sanchez has mostly looked like the dog turd he was in NY since playing for Philly.
     
  17. djphinfan

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    posted that after his successful start in philly.
     
  18. PHINANALYST

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    I think the author is revisiting Tampa's SB year .... Problem is .... You can never have the 'same' team again.....

    Just like we can never have the 70s or 80s here ...

    This team isn't far away .... a couple players, a different mentality, a new HC, and a new DC ... Will get it done
     
  19. Fin4Ever

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    This sounds exactly like a Rex Ryan coached team to me.
     
  20. Fin4Ever

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    I will take that offense ( over 5,000 yards ) and Coach.Shula not to mention that Defense and a Super Bowl every time :)
     
  21. DeDolfan

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    Same thing for the past dozen years or so.
     

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