Question to those Guzzling the Tanny Haterade....

Haha. Despite his flaws, I've actually been pleased with Wallace this season, which I've said a bunch. Lol

 

My question is: What has RT done of any significance? He really has no sort of identity to his game... IMO, he's along the lines of an Alex Smith type QB, you can win with him, as long as we have the proper tools around him. Get a dynamic RB in the draft, and that will put some makeup on the whole offenses 'glaring' problems. We are not the first and only team with a bad OL, Indy Colts have worst OL in football but A. Luck overcomes it week in and week out to win ball games in crunch time.

 

Problem is guys like Luck, Rodgers etc are hard to come by. You build around Tannehill and hope he keeps developing.

 

I agree, I don't think RT will ever be a guy that can 'carry' an offense on his shoulders like Luck, Rodgers (as a matter of fact, that's been proven already considering that Luck has the absolute worse OL in football but is yet again LEADING a WINNING team to the PLAYOFFS AGAIN). Hence, me saying we need a dynamic RB (which they have in the draft) for this team to start seeing 'winning' results in the future. All this Lamar Millers (good backup, not really starter material) just wont get us by with RT at the helm. And no more OL talk please, we have drafted 100 OL in the past 6 drafts, pickup veterans if we have to, but im tired of wasting high picks on OL, its time we got some skill position players with SKILL or some DB's that can stay healthy. But, I am down with RT for another year at the helm, hopefully we can get the right pieces that he so desperately needs in place to crack that glass ceiling of his.

 

Here's my issue...And it's where I get in trouble with some around here...but three seasons in, with the significant progress each season, how can you sit there and say that you KNOW that Tannehill will never be a guy that can carry an offense.

I mean, look at the Pats game. He stood in the pocket delivering balls all over the field, getting stuck on his *** after almost every damn one...he also had three tds dropped, and threw for what, 346 yards?? His first pick was very possibly the result of a bad route, and the second was the result of an uncalled pass interference. Tannehill played well yesterday. Has he had some stinkers of games? Yes, every QB does...even Rodgers. I just think people should keep an open mind about Tannehill. There's so much to be excited about with him.

 

Im very excited about having RT, especially after all the years of pathetic play at QB, however, I'm not gonna confuse myself on exactly what type of QB he is... and that's an Alex Smith type QB. He needs the proper coaches, OL, RB, and WR's, that's exactly what Alex Smith needed to become a good QB in this league. Some QB's (Luck, Rodgers, Manning etc.,) it doesnt matter who is coaching, or on the OL or at RB and at WR (Luck already proved all of that too) to succeed (ability to put team in playoffs no matter what the circumstances are). Im not knocking RT, im diagnosing RT, and thats a start on how the Miami Dolphins can become a WINNING PLAYOFF teams, we tried the pass-first approach for 3 years with RT, its not working, lets see if he can be a 'game manager' that can put us in playoffs. Let's get Melvin Gordon or Todd Gurley in the draft and watch this offense explode on defense's. I would be really really excited then.

 

I ask you again, how can you diagnose Tannehill as the problem, when the oline and receivers have been so bad? This is what I don't get about fans. You guys act like a terrible oline is nothing. Like I've said in other threads, look at how Brady looks with a bad oline. Hint: He looked like every one of the complaints people have with Tannehill.

 

We aren't doing Ryan any favors comparing him to Luck, Brady, and Arod everytime one of the screw up. They have proven themselves as franchise QBs while Ryan is still finding his way. All QBs mess up, they are human...it's the body of work people judge. Or Atleast should.

 

Where did I diagnose RT as the problem? Please show me.. You are now putting words in my mouth, its funny, I say RT is like Alex Smith and fans start attacking like I said he was the worse QB of all time.. Obviously you didn't read my posts, i am all for RT next year, as long as we get the RIGHT pieces around him (I am agreeing with you). RT NEEDS better OL, and WR's (even though we already have so much money tied up into both positions, for some reason RT cannot work with these guys, but at the same time, lets not act like RT is ever gonna be as good as Luck [because Luck has literally the worse OL and a terrible WR core outside of Hilton and no RB's]), I just find it amusing that when I literally pinpoint the type of QB RT is and how we can succeed with him, you have to throw words in my mouth and say that im calling him the problem, when in actuality, im finding the solution (but because im not calling him a top 5 QB in football, that means im calling him the problem)....absolutely ridiculous.

 

I agree, Im literally helping you guys find the solution but it seems as if you guys think im calling RT the problem, I still dont understand where I called tannehill the problem?

 

Also, why are we comparing to Alex Smith all the time? It took Smith 8 years to post a season as good as Tannehill is having right now in his third year, and Smith was more accomplished in college. Smith had 1 td and 11 ints his first year in the league. In 2011, when Smith had numbers comparable to Tannehill this year, the TEAM went 13-3.

 

I don't doubt you didn't, if you have any constructive criticism of Ryan around here?? You WILL get all types of words put in your mouth.

 

One last thing, how long are we gonna keep calling the OL the problem? Only Dallas has a picture perfect OL.. every OL is gonna get beat on plays, its up to the QB (or whoever runs an offense) to make the plays that need to be made which separates winners and losers. On our end, we are losers till proven further.

 

Alex Smith didn't come into the NFL with his college HC either (which for some reason didn't help RT). Im just going by what I see on the field, if we get a dynamic RB, RT will have the best year of his career.

Alex Smith needed Harbaugh/Reid (two GREAT HC's) to become successful after going through tons of OL, WR's, and Coaches....sound familiar? *cough* what everyone is saying we need for RT to get better *cough*

And comparing RT to A. Smith is not a bad thing.. Hell, ask a 49ers fan just how bad they want Alex Smith back.. they will tell you. (Could be us if we go and get Winston in the draft, we will be wishing we had RT back, unless RT never wins anything with us, which he hasnt SO FAR)

At the end of the day, we want the same thing (i think) and thats to make playoffs and make some noise, I believe IMO (which im entitled to just like you), if we set up a run first offense with Gordon or Gurley, Miller backin up, and maybe even re-sign Knowshon to another 1 year deal, this would benefit RT most ideal. (There is a reason our most DOMINATING offensive performance came in week 1, and that game didn't involve RT all that much, yes I know, Knowshon got hurt which sucked, but, that is why I want Gordon or Gurley, we can do that performance week 1 every game but better and more effective.)

 

Fin, I'm not trying to compare Tannehill to Brady, just comparing what people thought about Brady when his line sucked, and is a lot of the same stuff people think about Tannehill. The point being, it's really hard to make ahh judgement about a QB, whether HoFer or 3rd year guy, when playing behind a terrible line.

Shame, the point to you was simply that you have diagnosed Tannehill as having hit his ceiling after three years behind an abortion of a line. How can you possibly decided that?

 

And this is why I get accused of only posting about Tannehill. It's because every new poster comes in posting the same stuff that has been talked about ad nauseam. Dealing with a bad lineman or two is one thing, but dealing with your tackles getting beat while the interior of the line gets driven back at the same time is not common place in the NFL. No one is saying that Tannehill needs a perfect line, just that he needs an average line.

 

Show me where Tom Brady ever had a crappy year. I even Googled it. I can't find one...

 

Cash, I'm referring to the first couple games this year, where the NE line was in constant flux, and everyone was talking about Brady being done.

And where did I ever say Brady had a bad year?

 

When the offensive coordinator designs the whole offense around one yard passes, I think it's safe to say that he knows what he has at quarterback. And while you call it a TERRIBLE OFFENSIVE LINE, that only happened recently. We're 15 weeks in....

 

Once again, I literally said earlier, go back and read it again "so RT can break through his glass ceiling", I did not say he hit his ceiling, and once again, we are not the only team in the NFL with injury's to the OL. Other QB's have succeeded in a similar fashion, unfortunate for us, we have a banged up Lamar Miller who cant run the rock that much because of his shoulder, is that RT's fault? No, but every QB battles injury's to his offense every down of every week of every season, RT is not the first to have a revolving door, again, watch a colts game, that whole OL is a revolving door, but it still doesnt stop A. Luck from putting up the most points on average this year.

 

But, I am down with RT for another year at the helm, hopefully we can get the right pieces that he so desperately needs in place to crack that glass ceiling of his.


^^^^^ That was my exact statement that you are referring to in bold.... Nice try though. Andrew Luck's OL is worse, I use him because he is perfect example of a QB overcoming a "abortion of a line", a horrible backfield and not many weapons outside of 1 guy (TY Hilton).

and not to mention our OL consist of 2 1st round picks, Colledge has been a success on Green Bay and Arizona, Satele is a re-tread but still doing a better job then the guys last year, and Dallas Thomas sucks, but so does many Lineman on starting OL's.... not every OL is gonna be Dallas. Most QB's succeed despite there not being a clean pocket nearly every play, its football, that happens.

 

Hes had multiple years the same or worse than Ryan this year. Not that they belong in the sme convo, but he has, as has plenty of good QBs. 90% of QBs need a great team to get to elite statistical levels.

 

Sorry, I dont need STATS from my QB, I want WINS, both seem hard to come by but I would take the latter everyday of the week. Brady WINS (he won superbowls with troy brown and david patten as his go to guys if we can even call them 'go to' guys, not exactly GREAT players like you mentioned above)

Therefor, I would love to get Gordon or Gurley in the draft, because they can disguise weaknesses on an offense simply by getting the ball in their hands, and we would be a wrecking ball of an offense trashing defenses, and RT's game would benefit simply by teams trying to stack the box on us and who knows, maybe his deep ball will finally become a major part of the offense. A GREAT RB can do so much for an offense, and with RT at QB, a GREAT RB might just perhaps take us to the promised land (if our D progresses as well)

 

Brady is obviously great beyond his stats, just an example.

I'd be down for a rb but great rbs can be found anywhere. There's honestly too many rbs to list found in mid rounds that are great. First pick best overall ol/dl/wr/lb IMO.

 

OL in the 1st round again? I'm tired of doing that. It's gotten us nowhere for over a decade now...

 

No thanks on OL in the first, we can find good depth in FA (which is what we need, Albert is coming back next year and James will go back to RT) or in middle to late rounds, im tired of taking OL in first round. That'll keep us on pace for mediocrity, and as far as your argument for RB's go, yes, we can find Lamar Millers of the world in the middle rounds but I rather get the Adrian Peterson's of the world and grab Gurley or Gordon, say what you want but Gordon is gonna be a freak in the NFL, he has the build and skill to succeed at a high level in the NFL. Im tired of taking project players and OL every draft. Its keeping us at 7-9 and 8-8. Let's start grabbing impact players, you know, the guys who make an IMPACT on sundays.

We can grab OL in free agency, its not that big of a need despite what you might think. We have our two OT's (Albert and James) and we have our OG/C (Pouncey) and him being an OG/C, means it makes it easier in FA to grab the best guy available at either position. And we already have plenty of depth, we just need an upgrade over Thomas. Doesnt mean we have to waste another first round pick on a backup OT.

Our first rounder should go to CB/FS/RB/BIG SEAM TE/NT/LB(unless we switch to 3-4). Drafting an OL in first round, I might just jump off a bridge. My pick being Melvin Gordon because he's a cant miss future pro bowler/future every other team in NFL wishes he had him type of player.

P.S. a run first offense is ANY O-Linemans favorite kind of offense.

 

give the guy a chance..there really isn't much to be positive about Vt, we've missed the playoffs again, and were getting spanked in the process..and I suppose the stats would back that up..when we have success I wold bet you would see a change.

 

DJ, I think that there is plenty to be positive about concerning Tannehill. To say there is nothing positive to look at implies that he hasn't had consistent growth every year.

Shame, you didn't simply make that one statement. You made a bunch of statements, and I took exception with one of them. I'm glad you want to continue with Tannehill, I guess, but my thought is, if Tannehill isn't really very good, then I'd want to replace him. Frankly, I don't think this team needs an exceptional running back. I think that they need a line that can block consistently, and a dynamic wide receiver. I'd love to move Wallace to the #2 position, where he could really flourish. I mean, that's really what Wallace should be.

 

Wallace is dynamic. I'll agree the OL could block way better. I dont understand why the Dolphins have had issues with this the last 6-7 years

 

Wallace isn't what I would call dynamic, simply because everything has to be perfect for him to be relevant. Wallace can't really make something happen out of a ball that isn't perfect. When I say dynamic, I'm talking about guys that go up and get the ball when contested. They can break a tackle and get YAC. Landry is pretty dynamic. Wallace is only fast.

 

I agree with most of what you say Res.. We're both big on Tanny. But Wallace has been a much better all around WR this season IMO. He's made two incredible catchs in the end zone, has been pretty tough blocking, and I've seen him push for extra yards.

 

Oh, I agree, VT, I have been happy with Wallace this year, but I have to not consider it in terms of how he's paid. He's been much more physical in all aspects, but still not what I think Tannehill needs for a #1 receiver. Is one of the incredible catches you reference the one from the Patriots' game? I ask, because I thought he made that one more difficult than it needed to be. LOL

 

Not an RB in the first round. Not OL in the first round. A corner, safety, LB, D line, or big TE or big WR.

 

andrew luck and Aaron rogers are the two best qbs in the game..I can't use him as my standard for tannehill, its not fair.

 

bad evaluators of talent.

 

And well you shouldn't. Those two have years more experience than RT. The biggest factor for a QB learning when to run or not is experience. Being disappointed that an inexperienced QB doesn't run enough is as unfair as complaining that someone isn't old enough. It's simply not something within their control. RT has improved every aspect of his game on a year to year basis. Even his knowledge of when to run has clearly improved. At this point he's playing at a top 10 level and still improving. The idea that anyone wants to dump him is just baffling to me.

 

dont wanna dump him Rafs, willing to give him his 15 mill dollar option, but we'll have to revisit next year to determine next contract..

and I disagree with you at this point about his escapability and instincts in that dept, three years, no playoffs, poor 3rd down conversion rate, and only averaging a half an attempt on his own per game..Thats not good enough in this dept..

a while back I came up with a an average I would of like to of followed regarding his running and running and throwing talents.

and that was 5 keepers on the read..4 rollouts/bootlegs..and 2 takeoffs..

now I understand you can't predict such things and situations dictate and all that, but this is no different than not giving adrian peterson 20 carries, as a coordinator/coach you tailor the skill set to your scheme, and those reps should be cognizant and applied at all costs..

this is how you win games..As we all saw, every time those numbers were not reached we lost.

this game is about imposing your will on the opponent..Tannehill not being conscious of this important element of football is not smart football..

 

Why do we bring up the no playoffs thing, though, in regards to where Tannehill is at? It's pretty clear that there are factors outside of Tannehill's control that are preventing the playoffs. For instance, this year, if the defense simply plays halfway decent when it mattered, we'd be in the playoffs. I know it's been said a thousand times, but it's the truth. The defense has been the biggest disappointment for me this year.

 

If I were to put a general list of disappointments for this season, The defense would be #1...easily. Probably the overall play of our Receivers( Wr, TE, and RB's) would be a distant second. Our defense had labels of "elite" or "dominant" placed on it for a majority of the season..never consistently happened.

 

People also fail to realize how important defense is to the offense. Its a lot easier to score with good field position. Its a lot easier to score when you aren't down by more than a TD. Its a lot easier to score when your defense gets you the ball back quickly after your own scoring drive.

I mean why do you guys think Russell Wilson wins games without puttibg up Aaron Rodgers type numbers? The team is able to maintain balance by keeping games close defensively. They usually have good starting field position. They put Wilson in a spot where he can do what he does best to win games late. They aren't asking him to throw 35+ times a game. It lets them eat clock, wear down the defense and so forth.

Please noone take that as some sort of diss on Wilson. Hes a good QB. My point is he's not Rodgers, Manning, Luck, Brady, whoever. Hes a very good QB with a strong TEAM around him.