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Question to those Guzzling the Tanny Haterade....

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Pennington's Limp Arm, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    To the ignore list. These guys can't all simply be new members...
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you didn't ask me but I came to the conclusion that ryan isn't as good as those guys by watching them play football.

    anyone who questioned Flacco along the way just made a mistake in evaluation..Ryan is not as good as stafford either, and he's not as good yet as Matt ryan.
     
  3. Silverphin

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    A). RG3's receivers were Pierre Garcon, Chris Cooley, and Santana Moss. Not exactly Clayton and Duper status, but that's far from nothing.

    B). The Colts was purposefully sucking for Luck. So, let's not act like they went 2-14 because of lack of talent.

    C). Not to take anything away from Foles, but when the Eagles' offense is still pretty stable while having Mark Sanchez at the helm, you have to wonder if it's just another case of the Eagles having an extremely QB friendly system.

    Dude, no one's denying that Tannehill has flaws. And no one's denying that the QB position is the most important position. But just because the QB position is the most important position doesn't mean that the shortcomings/flaws of his supporting cast (or other units of the team) should be overlooked. That's like saying "Well, I got four slashed tires, but the engine needs an oil change, so I need to handle that first."
     
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  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm pleased that he's actually trying this season, as opposed to last year...not necessarily with his output.
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    My point was that this dude has determined that Tannehill is as good he's going to be. There's literally no way fir him to know that.

    And I know isn't as good as them right now...that wasn't my point, and not what I'm trying to say.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thru projection do you see ryan being better than flacco and Stafford?
     
  7. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I don't ever see tannehill being a true franchise qb.He doesn't seem to have that intangible in college or the pros to be a winner.
    But in saying this I don't see any better options in the draft or free agency.I just hope we don't over pay him like cutler.
     
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  8. Fin-Omenal

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    The only way a WR like Wallace will have good YAC is if his QB allows him to by leading him. Look at play one Sunday, that 50 yard completion with a better throw should've been a 80 yd TD. But honestly, I was happy with it being catchable.
     
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  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'll be honest, I don't know enough about projections. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up as good. Offensively speaking, I think all those guys have been in better situations than Tannehill, plus more experienced in college, leading to perhaps easier transitions to the NFL. Flacco definitely had a better defense supporting him early on.
     
  10. jdang307

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    10,000 hours in a given field. Nobody on this site right now is in a given field. I.E., making decisions for reals, submitting their reports to someone actually making decisions, and having their job depend on it. Not to take anything away from the gurus on this forum who are clearly very knowledgeable and dedicated to this hobby. It's a whole different ballgame when you're picking stocks for a make believe portfolio and then making decisions for your 401k.
     
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  11. shamegame13

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    A)Ohhh, so an old Cooley (He played in 8 games and had 1 rec for 8 yards FOR THE SEASON) and an old Moss is supposed to support your argument?

    B)You trying to say 'they did it on purpose' is like me saying 'my dog ate my homework' back in grade school, its a poor argument that you cant support with facts.

    C)Your argument is wrong, I live in Philly, Eagles fans cant wait for Foles to come back because Sanchez and Tannehill have a similar problem, they cant hit a deep ball to save their lives (outside of a handful of throws in the WHOLE SEASON) Foles is way better then Sanchez, and Sanchez starting these past few games has set the Eagles back, so get that 'system' garbage argument out of here.

    Good thing I have perspective on the whole NFL, which helps me have better perspective on my favorite team, the Miami Dolphins, and knowing RT is a middle of the pack QB that has not made the playoffs is a FACT, not an opinion, only in rainbowland (dolphin forums) is RT a top 10 QB.
     
  12. Stringer Bell

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    I don't agree. The skill set is still being refined. People are still gaining through experience. That is the value, particularly when it comes to evaluation. Plenty of people here come up with detailed analysis and reports. People are putting their reputation on the line, etc.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Lol. I still have no idea if this is serious.
     
  14. DolphinGreg

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    He's definitely serious, haha. :)

    Now if you'll excuse me...I have to go update my resume! I'm not putting my reputation on the line for nothing you know!? ;)
     
  15. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    It absolutely is. Many people put in as much time and effort - if not more - than many people employed by NFL teams.
     
  16. rafael

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    Blaming team failures on the QB is just lazy analysis. That's the same logic that said Peyton couldn't win it all for all those seasons. It took him like 8 years before he broke through. The Colts should have dumped him I guess. All your "he'll never do this" opinions are the same b.s. that was spouted against Peyton. It is simply beyond foolish to evaluate a QB in that fashion. Sure most QBs don't become top 5. That's just common sense. Odds are that anybody we replace Tannehill won't become top 5 either. In fact, odds are that no replacement we bring in will even reach the level Tannehill's at right now within the first three years. And it's not that Tannehill gets a free pass. It's that you know what you're getting when you invest in an inexperienced QB. What you expect is progress and that's exactly what we got. In what world does it make sense to throw away those three years of experience you just invested in him just to reinvest in an even more inexperienced QB?
     
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  17. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I do. I think he's already as good as Stafford and Flacco's main advantage is just veteran savvy. I don't know if he'll reach Roger's level b/c I think Rogers could arguably end up being one of the best ever but I also don't think it's impossible. What I am sure of is that Tannehill's skill set is already good enough to win a SB with. I want him to continue to improve so he can carry the team more than he does at times already, but he's already good enough to win with.
     
  18. Fin-Omenal

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    I can think of a couple of people here who provide great analysis, maybe the term "many" is where we differ.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    I would say 15-20 posters here qualify as "experts", maybe more. As I mentioned earlier, 10k hours usually makes someone an expert.
     
  20. Fin-Omenal

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    He is only a few flaws away from being a franchise QB imo, one of them is the lack of on field emotion. I think you need to see tha passion on the field. Maybe a more emotional coach can bring that out, I dunno.
     
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  21. djphinfan

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    there is no scout school to go to, these head scouts are divided up into territories as you know, they travel, they watch film, they interview and ask questions, they watch more, they document, repeat..I truly believe they are not better per say, just able to spend more hours on it, but not better, sorry its just How i feel..
     
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  22. 77FinFan

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    Foles had what, 13 TD's and 10 INT's this year?
     
  23. HogsHDFinsfan

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    Do I have to offer proof? Really?
     
  24. resnor

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    No, I guess not. I'll counter with:

    Tannehill is super-awesome! He's going to break every single season QB record, and career passing record! He's going to be a first ballot HoFer, and he's going to be so good, they're going to induct him a time the following year!

    Isn't it fun just throwing **** out there with no basis in reality?

    *hugs
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He isn't super awesome, however for a quarterback to play for Miami for more than one entire season, he is 3rd best. Will he be better than Jay Cutler or Rodgers? I do not know.

    I do know that he is just over 400 yards away from passing Jay Fielder in yardage and he is in the top 10 in yardage for the first three years.

    He has a lot of room for improvement, however he has improved all three years he has played.

    With limited experience out of college and only three years in the NFL, I would put him over Orton or Matt Moore or any other journyman quarterback. There are the grand total of zero quarterbacks who are going to be free agents that is better than him.
     
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  26. Vertical Limit

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    He has to show more plain and simple. We need to bring in competition, whoever that guy is, whether its a retread quarterback or a mid round pick like Cato. Tannehill needs a fire lit behind him. Maybe and hopefully it helps and he becomes a winner, but right now hes far from one, the guy does not know what winning is.
     
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  27. Fin-Omenal

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    Comparing modern day passing stats are kind of meh...but my god Ryan is certainly already better than Jay Cutler.
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yes, he IS super-awesome, Dupree!! I SAID SO! And I don't need to give any proof as to why I think that.

    And I think he's better than Cutler already.

    Would anyone trade Tannehill straight up for Cutler? Foles? RGIII? Sanchez? Orton? Dalton? Newton? Hoyer? I guess I could go on, but people should get the point.
     
  29. Fin-Omenal

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    Not for any of those guys. To me Ryan is somewhere between 12-16 as far as starting QBs go.
     
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  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He has shown more every year and any retread is already behind him.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    In three years Tannehill has went from, "Good for a rookie" to "mid-range quarterback".

    If he stays at the level he is, sure, bring in competition, however nothing has shown me that he will not continue to improve.
     
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  32. Sethdaddy8

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    Jeez, what games are a lot of you watching. RT17 was the only guy competing out there on Sunday! And how many of his few int's dinged off of the hands or pads of our lazy receiving targets? Meanwhile our defense has basically quit since the 2nd Bills game.

    His deep ball and pocket presence needs to improve, and in the NE game, it actually did improve. This offense has already scored more points than it has in the past 5 years, and by seasons end, it will be our highest scoring offense since 02' or longer. If you don't think that's on RT and Lazor moving this offense, you're crazy. Who's the hero of our O? Who's the superstar? Clay? Wallace? Miller? Pouncey? Please. There are like 10 or 15 guys in the world who can be a perennial starting QB. Who could we possibly replace RT with?
     
  33. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Someone actually mentioned a quarterback by name.... crazy it took this long.
    Bring up a replacement coach and people are throwing out 5 different names in the first 5 posts.

    Bring up a replacement quarterback and absolutely nobody is willing to put there neck out and say an attainable quarterback would be better than Tannehill... that tells me a lot!

    That's obviously a question the detractors can't answer.
    Great post, Tannehill is improving even if the team is still winning between 7 and 9 games.
     
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  34. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    I see bonafide studs helping Flacco, Stafford, and Matt Ryan.
     
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  35. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    nope I wouldn't trade him for any of those dudes.
     
  36. HogsHDFinsfan

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    You have to show proof. Or Resnor won't accept your post!! Rofl...smh.
     
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  37. Patssuck

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    yea proof is overrated.
     
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  38. HogsHDFinsfan

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    I agree. I think he's a top 15 Qb, and that's what we'll be as a team with him at QB; 15th best team in league. GO RT!!!!
     
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  39. HogsHDFinsfan

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    Esp when the proof is he's not good enough to get us to the playoffs.
     
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  40. resnor

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    Proof is this nifty thing. Like when you claim Tannehill is at best a top 15 QB...but you don't specify where in the top 15, then say that the team will be 15th in the league...You should tell us what you used to come to that conclusion. Proof of your position allows for there to be discussion.

    Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
     

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