Question to those Guzzling the Tanny Haterade....

Um, there was a sharp decline in offensive effectiveness (and consequently, wins) when the wheels came off our oline (Albert going down). Until then, Tannehill was playing Top 10.

Coincidence? Nope.

 

If you take away the 1st 4 games...you're right.

 

When he and everyone else were learning a new offense form a first time OC? Yes.

Also, wasn't it only three games?

 

Not sure, I just remember him finally playing at a high level around game 4

 

Sorry but Fleener having those stats is an argument for, not against what Luck has to deal with

The sack thing though, Luck is better at escaping pressure. He could have just as many sacks who knows. You can't prove it either way, but Luck is on another level.

 

Our 4th game was in London where he blew up.

 

He played well, .nect game he started off terrible...I'd say the corner was turned in the 2nd half of the GB game.

#fixed

 

I don't think there was a clear point during which he "turned a corner." That's just how the morons in the media want to make it.

It's been a slow upward trend towards greater consistency all year with a few sour points along the way.

Pretty much what one would expect for a decent, young QB learning a new offense.

 

The wording is what it is, he was BAD in the first quarter of the season...then?? (Insert description) played better

 

His bad-ness in the opening stages of the season is far over-rated. I never really understood what people were going on and on about.

We started 2-2. He was very good against New England and Oakland and was unable to contend with the dominant pass rush of the Bills and Chiefs, but those were mostly O-line issues.

I never understood the need to bench him or "pressure" him into player better.

We beat the two bad teams (NE & OAK) while we lost to the two physically dominant teams (BUF & KC).

 

While I was never in favor of benching him, he looked pretty bad. Everything has changed for Ryan for the most part....thank god.

 

He was not particularly great against NE in the first game.

 

typically the teams have a QB that plays great. occasionally you will get a team that wins without one, but they typically have a GREAT defense.

 

Build a house on a solid concrete foundation, it'll stand forever. Build that same house on a sloppy muddy foundation, it's going to crack and eventually fall.

In the pofo we so often disagree but in here, you and I seem to see eye to eye so very often. That offensive line is KEY to everything we do on offense. If they don't block and open holes, the RB's can't run the ball. If they don't block and pass protect, Tanehill is either running for his life or getting sacked.

 

It's a very surface level analysis that says that teams with a QB playing great win. What constitutes a QB playing "great"? What else has to happen for a QB to play "great" other than the QB dropping back and throwing the ball?

 

Hey, you know who is guzzling the Tanny Haterade? CKParrot. I saw him put on Twitter that he hopes Dallas Thomas gets healthy for Sunday. Dude, you really want to see Tanny rehab this off-season? Come on.

 

Nah bro. It's much simpler to just FIRE EVERYONE! FIRE THEM ALL! EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!

FIRE THEM! FIRE THEM ALL TO HELL!

We promise, the next guy will be the savior. The messiah sent to is from the football gods to fix our franchise in 3 years or less.

We're like the chick who cheats on every single boyfriend she's ever had because the incumbent is never good enough, and then wonders 15 years down the line why she's not happily married yet.

 

And they say sarcasm doesn't translate to text very well.

 

I was assuming that he was hoping Thomas could get out there to guarantee Philbin's dismissal.

That's a tough trade, man.

 

He wants the dolphins to lose and Dallas thomas give them the best chance of a successful loss..

 

No way, he loves him some Philbin. It's Coyle he wants gone now.

 

CK wants Philbin fired.

 

He's hoping Philbin gets fired. Philbin is sticking with Dallas Thomas and double downed on him in press conferences. If Dallas is terrible these next two weeks, how do you keep a coach that makes such a terrible decision?

 

Yea, Miami Dolphins isn't a very pretty 'chick' to begin with, we're like the drug addict chick in High School with serious addiction problems, we're not exactly the Prom Queen.

We've been relevant what 3 times in the past 15 years in the NFL (twice with Wannstedt and once with Sparano), and we've had such bad QB play in that timespan that we dont really know what a GREAT QB looks like anymore, although, in my eyes, RT is nothing but middle of the pack QB, I like Bridgewaters 'potential' better at this point.

 

Considering that your eyes led you to believe that Jon Martin is playing well this season....

 

Since your gonna troll every one of my posts I'm gonna hit you with a couple of facts', I mentioned how Martin has been starting all season with 49ers which obviously means he is not.as.bad.as most of you homers claim, secondly, shawn murphy was a huge bust and a scrub all in all (john martin is wayyy better in comparison, martin has accomplished 30x more then murphy since murphy only played 1 NFL game, so eat that up), both facts, now keep trollin and your so mad because I said we should switch to a power run offense lmao now you a got a hard on for me

 

And none of that changes the fact that Martin is not a good lineman.

 

Honestly, I couldn't care less about Martin, im happy he is not a Phin, I was simply proving a point, if he was such a horrible lineman, don't you think he would be out of the NFL (similar to horrible lineman S. Murphy), he's obviously better then a horrible lineman considering the fact that not only is he still in the NFL but he is starting, THATS A FACT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!

I keep spitting out facts and you try to dispute it with your own OPINION which isn't a fact.


WE NEED TO SWITCH TO POWER RUN OFFENSE BECAUSE RYAN TANNEHILL CAN'T CARRY AN OFFENSE (THATS BEEN PROVEN THE PAST 3 YEARS). NOW PLEASE, GET YOUR PANTIE'S IN A BUNCH BECAUSE IT CRACKS ME UP. EVERYONE BLAMED THE OL LAST YEAR AND NOW, ONCE AGAIN THE 'BRAND NEW' OL THIS YEAR ARE GETTING BLAMED...

For everyone saying it's easy to blame the QB, not really, for the past 2 years the majority of posters in phin forums have blamed the OL BECAUSE THAT IS THE EASY THING TO DO! Im in like the 15%ers that are blaming the QB because we are starting to see RT for what he really is.... and thats a QB with no pocket presence so of coursed he is gonna take a lot of sacks in a Pass Happy offense (hence, why we should switch to a power run).

 

There zero facts that Tannehill in 2015 will be the same as Tannehill in 2014.

ALso there is zero facts that Miami would need to switch to a power run offense. That is pure conjecture and opinion.

Plus even saying, "carry the offense" is an opinion. 2013 he actually did carry the offense and Miami would have been much worse with an average quarterback.

Also this idea that it takes one year to fix an offensive line in silly, so "brand new" offensive line is pretty meaningless. Especially after Albert went down.

In fact, all I see in this post is opinions with little to no facts. I also see a lot of CAPs Lock. You should get your keyboard checked.

 

More Tannehill arguments... /sighs

ESPN had an interesting take from the Pats game:

This year, PFF has Miami at #30 overall in pass blocking, with a grade of -54.4.

PFF ranks the OL with the rush at #28, with a grade of -35.5.

Last year, they have Miami #16 in pass blocking, with a grade of -8.3. On the run, we were #30, with a grade of -38.3. Pouncey, Jerry, and Cog had better rush grades than their replacements this season.

Stats from ESPN, PFF, and FO:

This year, we have given up 38 sacks, 79 hits, and 154 hurries. An average of 16 total pressures per game.

Last year, we gave up 51 sacks, 42 hits, and 131 hurries. An average of 14 total pressures per game.

When you consider Tannehill throwing quicker and shorter, this year's OL is actually much worse.

No idea where the Colts have a worse OL stuff is coming from either. Looking at the stats, the Colts OL is ranked 9th BEST against the pass rush in adjusted sack rate (4.8%). The Fins is ranked 19th in ASR (6.8%).

As for Tannehill's elusiveness- Wilson, master of escapability, has been sacked 38 times - the exact same number of times Tannehill has been sacked. Tannehill has taken 79 hits. Wilson has 80. Yet somehow Wilson is more elusive and "doesn't take sacks"...

Anyway you want to cut it, the OL was a problem last season. It's a worse problem this season. We can win with Tannehill, but he has to have better protection, a powerback to replace Daniel Thomas, and a big RZ target... Wallace is catching 56.8% of targets. Hartline 60.7%. Clay 69%, but he's inconsistent and can't stay healthy. We need better options.

 

He carried us right out of the post season as he put a grand total of 7 points in the last two games of the year in 2013, which happened to be the most important games of the year against two lame duck teams and he carried us to 7 points, so your right, similar to this year he can't put up points in December. Same fashion as Romo, who puts up great stats every year but crumbles in December (that was his motto).. RT's motto is he can't score points in December.

 

PFF is for stat whores. They don't have stats for intangibles (RT's biggest problem).

 

Where as I found that to be a very cogent and enlightening post.

Thanks for putting that together!

 

Lamar Miller seems to be overcoming a worse OL...good for him.

 

The very definition of "intangibles" means you cannot quantify them enough to say someone is lacking in them or has an over abundance of them.

 

I don't know what's happened to that dude, honestly. He's been a completely different player this year.

I guess the Frank Gore workouts really rubbed off him.

Even with the talent we have, we don't have the kind of culture I'd prefer. We don't seem to have a core group that is supportive of something bigger than themselves.

My explanation for that would be that we don't have enough great players. Something special happens when you get Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Anquan Boldin, etc, etc etc, all playing together on the same team.

That sort of massive talent just builds on itself. I don't think you can really spark that through coaching or moral support. At the end of the day, most of our roster is comprised of very average players who aren't going to build anything special. If we had 2 or 3 more Cameron Wakes we'd be onto something. You just have to draft and acquire enough of the right guys that it happens, I think.

 

Have you seen the guys behind Thomas? Not exactly Ogden or Webb back there.

 

I don't agree about the talent level of this team. When healthy we were going toe to toe with the league elites. That's not "any given sunday" stuff. We were that good at full strength.

What this team needs is an attitude infusion, depth and a red zone threat.

 

Depth at RB and LB. Not sure they want to start another season with Hartline starting, gonna need a couple young guys to step up in the secondary. Very doable once you're no longer in search of a QB.That's what too many are overlooking when they say same old Dolphins.

 

My point was had we had attitude, depth & RZ threat, we'd be in the playoffs this year.

Next year? I dunno what we need yet, because I don't know who the coach will be and what systems they are going to want to implement.