You know who can throw a deep ball and is/will be available...

I thought this thread was started as a tongue and cheek joke. Was it not?

 

From one year, right? Cause he only had one year where he looked super special.

 

Cutler is in his 9th year, and was a 4 year college starter (I believe). If Cutler and Tannehill are fairly equal, it should tell you everything you need to know about each player.

So false. But it's easy to make statements like that, because you know that most people don't have the time or patience to go back through each game this season, and pull out all of his good deep balls (much less try to find someplace with video of all of them). Your narrative is so tired and beat.

 

You claimed Wallace doesn't adjust to balls, I showed him slowing down and adjusting while the ball was in the air. And how could he of adjusted ANY BETTER on that play? He slowed down and waited for another ball that should have been 7.

People claim Ryan has a garbage YAC because of everyone but Landry, when the play I showed proved that's not the case. The hatred for Mike Wallace is really so bad that people start ignoring video evidence?? A shame so close to Xmas.

 

You claimed that Wallace slowed down "as soon as the ball was in the air." I showed that he did not. I further showed that after looking for the ball, he ran full speed for another 15 yards before slowing down, almost to a complete stop. He COULD HAVE slowed down earlier, thereby not having to come to a complete stop. That is what Desean, Moncrief, and other good receivers do.

 

That is not only dumb, but likely not even physically possible. For what you are saying the ball would have to be in the air for like 8 seconds. Wallace adjusted fabulously, because he had too.

 

Nah bro. It's time we made a move.

I'm thinking Cutler, or that Henne guy whose arm is just wasting away in Jacksonville.


Get'r'done, Hickey!

 

Physically impossible? It takes him 45 feet to realize that he has to slow down? I'm the dumb one?? Explain how two weeks ago I watched Desean and Moncreif do exactly what I'm describing. Explain how I've watched Gronk and Edelman do exactly what I'm describing. Go watch some other games, man.

What's dumb is you saying that Wallace adjusted as soon as the ball was in the air, which clearly he did not. Fact: Wallace is not good at running a route AND adjusting to the ball at the same time. Maybe on deep post patterns, like what he made his career off of in one season with Pitt, allow him to see the ball kind of it in front more, he can adjust better. On the sort of routes he's running in Miami, the ball is almost always coming directly over top of him, and he definitely doesn't seem comfortable or adept at making those plays. Maybe we should throw more deep posts/slants...something I've suggested on here before.

 

What is this tongue and cheek?

 

I'm sorry Wallace urks you and Ryan is your man crush, but that doesn't excuse the making of things up. And LOL, you have no idea how much football I watch, certainly enough to know that a Donte Moncrief example is hilarious. He isn't half the player Mike Wallace is, he benefits from the best young QB in the game, and frankly he isn't going to make any pro bowl teams.

Once Wallace sees the ball in the air he makes the necessary adjustment to make the catch, and yet you think he should've been able to adjust better and get some YAC??? That's beyond ridiculous. It's yet another excuse to try to justify the issue you have defended with your life the past few weeks.

Again it wasn't a bad throw by any means, but an "on the money" throw would've been an 80 yd TD....and yes, Wallace made a solid adjustment. You know, the things his local haters claim he can't do. Maybe you do watch slot of football, but I'm not convinced you understand what you're watching with theories like that.

 

if you wanted a strong arm quarterback you should have drafted Brandon Weeden he has a cannon of a arm . I don't see a problem with Ryan Tannehill I wasn't crazy about him when we drafted him but he is making progress . I think we should be more worried about our linebackers and secondary .

 

Can't throw a deep ball if you're getting sacked due to mediocre pass protection from our offensive line, and besides, what good would it do to throw deep balls when we have receivers who drop balls that are hitting them dead square in their chest?

Just saying!

 

This is why we can't have decent discussions. You resort to these lame name calling sessions. Wallace IRKS me simply because I don't think his skill set is deserving of the money he's getting. He certainly doesn't adjust or react to balls in the air as well as any number of cheaper, younger receivers. You can laugh all you want about the Moncreif example but I've watched him, and others, adjust far better to balls like that one, and turn them into touchdowns.

The only thing I've defended is the constant barrage of "Everything is Tannehill's fault" posts that have inundated the forums lately. Wallace did not adjust as well on that ball as other receivers do.

 

I didn't call you any names, and there is absolutely nothing more he could've done in regards to adjusting to that throw. What he makes is irrelevant to what the discussion is, why is that a factor?? You are using Moncrief to discredit Andrew Luck, because I'm guessing you actually believe he isn't as good as Ryan. But that's just a guess.

I often wonder if some of you snicker with hatred everytime Mike makes a play, actually I think so...look no further than his TD catch, the in game forum trolls were chomping at the bits to complain. And they were complaining about NFL networks Catch of the Week. Funny isn't it

 

No thanks on Cutler, talk about a guy that's never been a winner. I don't know how he has survived this long in the NFL as a starter, always has great weapons around him and has never won jack****.

Bring in Harbaugh, switch to a power run offense (which im sure Harbaugh will implement), keep RT as starter (bring in a QB in middle rounds of draft as competition, which I also trust Harbaugh on making the right decision here), and it will be a winner. We don't need much, it's a generally talented roster, if a team like San Francisco can be good, so can we, we just need proper coach and scheme on offense which will keep our defense fresher on Sundays (we could use a nice NT though and a CB and FS, address this in Draft in FA).

No need for Cutler or any FA QB's, the MAIN thing we should be going all in for this offseason is a good HC who can take what we have to the next level next year, and IMO, it is Harbaugh.

 

What's wrong with hitting Wallace in stride? Wallace did stop and adjust to the ball that is why it was a 50 yard completion but it should have been six.

 

Wrong.

He didn't adjust because he CANT adjust to footballs, if it were Donte Moncrief he would've slowed down then sped up and let the ball hit him in stride only to make Andrew Luck look good. Wallace is rich and just runs a straight line down the field and if the ball doesn't hit him in stride he doesn't fight for it. We would've been better off keeping Ted Ginn. If Ryan ever gets a REAL deep threat, he's gonna show all of you that throw?????? WAS in stride, and it wasn't 6 because Mike Wallace sucks.

The End.

 

Ahhh....you are being facetious now...LOL

 

Actually, I was watching the game with a number of other fans, and they all thought that Wallace made that touchdown catch harder than it had to be.

I don't get upset when Wallace makes plays. I'm just not dumb enough to think that Wallace is some sort of complete receiver of elite levels, and all the issues with the deep ball are Tannehill's fault, which you apparently do. If you truly believe that "adjusting"to a ball is coming to a stop on the field, then we have different definitions of adjustments. Anyone can run full speed, and stop at the lady minute. It takes a better receiver to track the ball earlier in the route, and adjust their speed more appropriately.

This is why I can't take you seriously.

 

You saying Wallace didn't adjust to that 50 yard completion as well as "other WRs" is why nobody takes you seriously. Even the Anti Wallace brigade hasn't came to your defense on that ridiculous statement.

I'm all for criticizing ALL of our players when need be, nobody is exempt. But when you GOTO those lengths to try to make a point, it becomes obvious that the hatred is real.

 

You do forget, that started with YOU saying that Wallace made a great play there because he "adjusted as soon as the ball was in the air."

 

As soon as he saw the ball, yes he adjusted. And adjusted well.

 

So adjusting well equates to running another 45 feet at full speed, and then coming to almost a complete stop? That's really what you would prefer your receiver to do? You wouldn't prefer that your receiver slow up earlier, so as to catch the ball more in stride?

Note, I haven't been saying that Tannehill threw a perfect ball, just disputing that Wallace played the ball the way you would want it played.

 

Since football isn't a cartoon, I'm very happy with the way he played the ball. There are things called momentum, that happens when you run real fast. How you expected him to do all this motions in around 3 seconds is amusing.

 

"All this motions"? All I'm saying is that instead of starting to slow down around the 50, maybe he could start around the 40 or 45. You know, instead of running full speed for 45 feet, maybe only do it for 30-35. It's funny, you call me a troll, and accuse me of being in love with Tannehill, yet you're the same as what you accuse me of, just the opposite side. Even funnier, is that I've been accused of this recently, simply because I have disagreed with the completely one-sided analysis of people like you, Dolphin25, shamegame, etc. I don't go out of my way to start anything to do with Tannehill, I've simply responded to others statements.

 

There is no point in arguing with Resnor. If RT17 said the Dolphins play their home games in Texas and we tried to tell Resnor they play in Florida, it wouldn't matter, he would continue to tell us Texas because RT17 said so... It's obvious to me at this point that is the type of fan he is.

Everything is everybody else's fault (OL, Defense, Running Game, WR's, TE's, Special Teams, Coaching Staff, Waterboys, but not the QB, the QB has hardly any effect on a teams record) and we just have to deal with it

 

Man, look at the Eagles with Sanchez...this is where a non-perennial QB gets you. Well coached, solid team otherwise. This is who is out there, in the mish-mosh south of Ryan Tannehill and the like.

 

I'm not anti Tannehill...for 1 billionth time. I (unlike some) have no problem explaining my gripes with anyone on the roster. I like Ryan, but he has many flaws that need worked out before I feel like we have a franchise QB. It was catchable...I guess kudos for that part.

 

And I'm not anti-Wallace. The problem is your gripes are not completely accurate, in regards to Tannehill, and the lack of responsibility you feel others parts deserve.

 

Riiight...

I'll just differ to Shame on this.

 

Pretty much

 

Jay Cutler, riggghhhht.....

Not sure if this was a serious idea, but I'd rather start Matt Moore and he's younger than Cutler.

 

Yes...let's defer to the guy who just got here.

Question: how come it's a pejorative to support the player, and not be always attributing every bad thing to the QB...but is completely fine, in your world, to lay the blame for everything at Tannehill's feet? I don't get the logic. Show me where I've EVER said that Tannehill is perfect, and doesn't make mistakes. Show me where I've said that everything is fault of others. Don't worry, I'll wait. The problem is, there has been a rash of "new posters" over the last two months, all preaching the same thing: Tannehill is at fault for all the losses. I disagree with that idea, and I post responses to them. You take that as me saying Tannehill is perfect. He's not perfect, but denying that the oline/receivers/fraudulent defense doesn't bear a large portion of the blame in our losses is absurd.

 

keep fighting the fight..its all good res, just different folks who believe what they see..dont get to upset man, we all want the same thing, we all just express it differently.

 

What I put in bold is an absolutely hilarious statement considering you think your so credible because you post on a fan forum and it's a Phins forum, of course most people here will be agreeing with your assessments on RT17, but, go to a NATIONAL forum where every team is talked about, RT17 isn't on anybody's radar as a threat to the NFL. I am also appalled Stephen Ross hasn't offered you a job yet considering you have 4K posts' on this site, which makes you one of the smartest football brains on the planet by your logic.. [Which is why I love these sites, because most of you try to treat me like the new kid in school who doesn't know anything about anything and your all in the 'cool kids' crowd but I can tell your just a fan who probably pray's to RT17 at night]

What I underlined is even funnier considering I literally stated how you blame everybody but the most important player on the team and you just proved me right with that statement... (I think RT17 deserves just as much blame considering we play in a pass happy offense in which makes him our most IMPORTANT player on offense and he's been simply a middle of the pack mediocre QB with nothing in his game that really STANDS OUT on film, hence, just like the guy I compare him to Alex Smith and which is why we have to switch to a power run offense).

FYI, I have better things to do with my time then argue with a bunch of RT17 fanboys who think RT17 is Kurt Warner.

 

both of you guys present solid cases imo..both make me think and rethink.

the debate I have with myself about Ryan is about the next jump in level/play that will be required when we make the playoffs, I feel like we can win some regular season games, but I also feel like the bigger the games get the more constricted the pocket gets, the more constricted the pocket gets the more the qb has to do individually to get a better platform to throw..Now we have to take what we see in isolation and account for a poor pass protecting line, and then project what he may or may not become..What makes this dude a very difficult evaluation is the athleticism he does have doesn't see to be part of the gameplan, at least not enough for my taste, doesn't seem to want to engage his own thing improvisation-ally, it all adds up to one hell of an offseason discussion, I think the pro crowd feel confident in once he gets better protection, even average protection, then we will see the athleticism more vividly, myself, Im just not very confident that he can get himself out of trouble consistently enough when the games importance increases, and Im not sure he understands how to escape a pocket with an attacking mindset, but I got a friend here that tells me all the time, that its going to come in time..So the question is left..do you see the things that you question, improving, if the line improves greatly next year, or do you think what you see is what you get.

 

Maybe some of that is true, but you are arguing with ME over Mike Wallace not adjusting to the 50yd completion "as well as other WRs" and to me it makes so little sense that I'm forced to wonder if you have an agenda.

Any poster who says Ryan is 100% to blame rather they have 40k posts or 40 just do not know what they are watching, that's absurd. Ryan was throwing darts last week down the field and Hartline and Williams ruined the two best deep passes I've seen him throw in his career, hell...he should've thrown for 400 yards tbh. I just need to see more of it before I throw my hands in the air and claim everything on every play is the fault of someone else, it just doesn't work that way.

 

We need to do something about the discourse around here. I try, for the most part, to not attack posters who disagree with me. I'm really getting sick and tired of the constant demeaning and condescending posts that get aimed my way, and the way of others who don't think that Tannehill is hot garbage. Nowhere have I claimed to be some awesome evaluator. Nowhere, not once. I've simply presented what I see as the flip side to Tannehill. Now, if some of you want to think that you are premier talent evaluators, and can evaluate Tannehill's performance, while ignoring how he's been affected by his surrounding talent, be my guest. But realize, you're doing exactly what you are demeaning me for.

Odd that it's mostly these "new" posters. I say "new" because I feel like they are troll accounts for members here.

 

Finomenal, my argument with you started over you saying that Wallace adjusted "as soon as the ball was in the air," making it seem like Wallace did some sort of amazing job on that play. My only point was, Wallace ran for almost 50 feet after looking for the ball, and didn't attempt to adjust until the very last second, when he had to come to almost a complete stop. He could have played that ball very differently.