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How much more time do we give Tannehill to prove he's got "it"?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PhinsRock, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I wish I could thank this post more than once.
     
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  2. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    If you're going to bring someone in, a cheap option like Cato makes sense. He's a competitor and will push Tannehill.
     
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  3. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're missing the point. The team knew it was a must win. If they wanted to even have a shot, they had to win. That's the mentality they have to have, and obviously did or they would have gotten blown out after going down 14.
     
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  4. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    But does Tannehill really need to be pushed? I mean, the man's improving every year despite everything.
     
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  5. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Clearly Ross and I are on different pages. He should probably release RT17 and bring in a top FA QB...I dunno, maybe Sanchez can take us to the promise land.:tantrum:
     
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  6. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    we should have brought in kyle orton.
     
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  7. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    RT17 played great today, but he's always shown flashes of brilliance, we need to move past 'flashes' and get more consistency from his brilliance if we are going to run a pass happy offense and expect to make it to the playoffs year in and year out (at the end of the day, thats all I want, is relevancy to the NFL).
     
  8. Jt0323

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    26td and 12 int. improvement from 24 Tds 17 int with a game to play. Chance he gets 30 TDs. Way better then 12 Tds and 13 int his rookie year. I'm not worried about Tannehill just wish we can protect him
     
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  9. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If you "bump" him repeatedly I'm not sure it's just a bump.
     
  10. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    With one game left:
    RT17

    10th in passing yards
    Tied 11th TD passes
    Tied 5th Completion %
    I see about 11 or 12 higher QBR's, but to be fair, several of those are from back-ups/part timers/partial season played, like Colt MCCoy, Carson Palmer, Fitzpatrick, etc.
    Only 4 players have had to take MORE Sacks than his 40.

    Forget about "it". Forget about," is RT the QB oft he future?"

    The question we should be asking is, "Is Ryan Tannehill a top 10 QB." Because he is right there, and he has faced almost every nasty defense in the NFL this season.
     
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  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Tannehill had like 8.5 YPA, didn't he? Yet we almost lost. That doesn't make sense to me, since I thought having above an 8 pretty much guaranteed a win. ;)
     
  12. GARDENHEAD

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    TODAY: 35/47 (74%) 396 yards 4 TDs 1 INT
     
  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's actually astounding when you think about it...lol how much Tannehill is asked to throw. I mean, really, and I see posts during the game about how Tannehill isn't as good in the pocket as Bridgewater. Seriously? Tannehill LOVES the pocket, when he has one. Anyway, I didn't realize while watching the game that he threw 47 times. More impressive, that Miller had like 19 carries, and Williams had a few. I can't wait to see Tannehill with solid oline and a big physical receiver. I can only imagine a Watkins type receiver with Landry, heck Wallace could explode of we had another big-time receiver for defenses to worry about. Really interested to see our next draft.
     
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  14. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Should Philbin even play Tanny next week?
     
  15. Destroyer

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    He looks good. One of my biggest concerns with him coming into the season was his sack for make issue. I don't feel like that's an issue anymore. I feel like he's a much better QB this year.
     
  16. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I really felt like that one sack was pretty bad. I think it was in the second half, right up the gut, big loss. Put my head in my hands on that one, but he was also damn elusive at times.
     
  17. bakedmatt

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    It's been so long since we've had good QB play, people don't recognize it when they see it.
     
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  18. DolphinGreg

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    I know, right!?

    Tannehill has some guts too. He got hit hard after several terrific throws and clearly has more faith in Damien Williams than I do, haha!

    Anyway, I was thinking about the WR situation last week and while it's a strong possibility that Wallace is let go, I actually think that down the road, we'll want a deep threat so it might be nice to keep Wallace around. But something about getting rid of Mike Wallace (and his 10 TDs) feel distinctly wrong, am I not right?

    And when I realized that Hartline is set to make $6M next year, I was horrified. So, I think I've kind of turned around on the WR issue. Knowing that Hartline is never going to be worth $6M and that Wallace has put up 10 TDs this year without being a deep threat, makes me think that Wallace is the clear keeper.

    And then I think about how dangerous we could be with Clay, Sims and Landry inside, Wallace outside and another big physical WR in Hartline's place.

    That would be pretty stout right there! :)
     
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  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's a magical fantasy, isn't it, Greg??
     
  20. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Dude, I cannot afford to spit take on my tablet...
     
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  21. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    I know, and they certainly need help, but it is such an important position I'm tired of them gambling on it. If Tannehill doesn't end up working out, its back to square one. Though I guess if he doesn't work out you just draft one in the first round again... I'm just tired of the "still searching for a QB since Marino retired" cycle (can you blame me?) and desperate that they can find him. I mean, I hope its Tannehill, and he is the best hope we've had since 1999, but you never know.
     
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  22. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    The general rule is that if you have a higher YPA than your opponent and you win the TO battle then you're pretty much guaranteed a win (about 95%).
     
  23. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Since the fourth game on RT has completed 70% of his passes and had a 99.68 rating. Those numbers would be good for 2nd and 4th best in the league respectively. He hasn't been anymore inconsistent than any other QB even the elite ones.
     
  24. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Agreed. Although I'm not crazy about Philbin returning next year, I am interested in seeing how the team fares with Tannehill under center after a full season of Lazor's offense under his belt.
     
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  25. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Stat's never tell the whole story, plus you forgot his 6.9 YPA which is bottom of the league numbers (makes it easier to have a higher completion % when your never throwing downfield) and plus, those 4 games at the beginning of the season that EVERYONE loves to exclude, did in fact count this season whether you like it or not (that was when the whole OL was healthy too, another thing overly in love with RT17 lovers like to b**** about)..

    Anybody who says, "Since the fourth game" is a man with an obvious agenda, NFL is a 16 game season not 12. Point is, many games this year he has been a pedestrian QB (Wk 15 vs Patriots, Wk 14 vs Ravens, Wk 13 vs Jets, Wk 10 vs Lions, Wk 8 vs Jaguars, Wk 6 vs Packers, Wk 3 vs Chiefs, Wk 2 vs Bills, Wk 1 vs Patriots) That's a lot of games as a pedestrian QB, check his numbers again if you don't believe me, his high completion % keeps his rating high, but im not a stats whore, im a wins whore, and RT17 hasn't won jack**** since becoming our QB. He played great today, I would like to see him play like this more then 5 games a year (Wk 16 vs Vikings, Wk 12 vs Broncos, Wk 9 vs Chargers, Wk 7 vs Bears, Wk 4 vs Raiders).

    Here it comes :crapstrom:
     
  26. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Reality is that even Rogers and Luck have been pedestrian QBs at times this year. You expect that with experience those occasions will diminish, but it's unreasonable to expect they will ever go away completely. And it would be ridiculously unreasonable to expect it from a far less experienced QB. And I say since the fourth game b/c I have an agenda to view Tannehill's development realistically and not penalize the QB for the time when the offense was being installed. Those who ignore that we were putting in a new system have an agenda to criticize without context.
     
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  27. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    You do realize there is a thing called OTA's, Training Camps, and Pre-Season.. right? There is never an excuse in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE for the 'new system' being installed garbage argument. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROFESSIONALS! They are not in college anymore.

    As far as Luck and Rodgers go, Luck was pedestrian in 4 games (Wk 16 vs DAL, Wk 15 vs HOU, Wk 12 vs JAC, and Wk 5 vs BAL) and Rodgers was 5 games (Wk 16 vs TB, Wk 15 vs BUF, Wk 8 vs NO, Wk 3 vs DET, Wk 1 vs SEA), So Luck at 4, Rodgers at 5 and RT17 at 9 is a BIG margin, RT17 is more then half the season! You can use experience as an argument against Rodgers but not Luck, Luck and RT17 have been in the NFL for the same amount of years (im not gonna sit here and cry because RT17 didn't get to be a Pee Wee league QB, as if that even matters, they were both QB's in High School and College, it's not Luck's fault RT17 couldn't beat out horrible QB's Stephen McGee and Jerrod Johnson his first two and a half years at Texas A&M). Try Again.
     
  28. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Bruce Arians has said it takes until week 8 or so of the regular season for a new offense to fully install in his experience.

    But hey, he's just a successful NFL head coach... What does he know?
     
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  29. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    sweet. now compare him to russell wilson, andy dalton, alex smith, colin kaepernick, and Cam newton. If RT was pedestrian that often then some of these guys were legally dead on the field.

    The measuring stick of Ryan Tannehill shouldn't be against the elites (brady, manning, rodgers, brees and Luck's working his way in) They are outliers, just like Geno and Cutler are outliers the other way. (don't see anyone comparing RT to Geno to prove any points around here) Compare him to the rest of the league of competent starters and he's doing quite well.
     
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  30. jcliving

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    You do realize that almost every professional ever asked states it is difficult for a QB to be effective within a new system during their first 6-8 games. It is not an excuse. It is reality. The 6-8 games requires full participation in OTA and training camp or the timeframe is increased.
     
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  31. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Arians said that because his team was dreadful to start the year in 2013 (so him saying this was an 'excuse' for why his team was so bad, when real the reason was the back half of the schedule favored his offense, and in the back half of the games that the offense did so well, it was against pitiful teams (wk 10 vs 2-14 Texans [27-24], wk 11 @ 4-12 Jaguars [27-14], here is the exception, it was against him former team though so he was more then likely amped up wk 12 vs 11-5 Colts [40-11], wk 13 vs 10-6 Eagles [21-24], wk 14 vs 7-9 Rams [30-10], wk 15 @ 7-9 Titans [37-34], wk 16 @ 13-3 Seahawks [17-10], wk 17 vs 12-4 49ers [20-23])

    So his offense didn't do **** against the teams with winning records.
    17 in a win against Seahawks (Palmer was 13/25 for 178, 1 TD, 4 INTs 7.1 YPA, run game was 43 carries for 139 yards 0 TD's, 3.2 avg) offense managing a pathetic 1 TD
    20 in a loss against the 49ers (Palmer was 28/49 for 407, 2 TD, 1 INT 8.3 YPA, run game was 22 carries for 83 yards 0 TD's, 3.7 avg) offense managing a pedestrian 2 TD's
    21 in a loss against Eagles (Palmer was 24/41 for 302, 3 TD, 2 INT, 1 fumble lost 7.3 YPA, run game 22 carries for 90 yards 0 TD's, 4.0 avg) offense managing 3 TD's (acceptable) but also against a horrid secondary that was worse then this years.
    He dropped 40 on Colts but Colts D was horrendous last year and that was his former team that he led to a 9-3 record (while Pagano was dealing with leukemia), so i'm sure he felt some type of way in that specific game.

    The only good defense's in that back half of the 2013 season were Seahawks and 49ers and the offense wasn't exactly lighting up the scoreboards in those games. So his little quote is an excuse for why his team was so bad in the beginning of the season (he said it this year about the Giants who changed schemes and used his 2013 team as an example, but I just did the homework on it).

    I'll provide the link: http://www.newsday.com/sports/footb...ance-in-new-offense-until-midseason-1.9278334
     
  32. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    That's all hearsay, you have no proof to back up that statement. It was more of an opinion that you used to fuel the agenda of some posters on here (i.e., RT17 is a top five QB and we all have to deal with it).

    RT17 played great today, no doubt about it, but I wanna see more of it and I just pulled up 9 games where he was everything short of 'great'. But every excuse in the book will be used to fuel the main agenda (new scheme [even though everyone begged for a new scheme last year on phin forums], OL can't block [we have found out that 10 different OL can't block in Miami even though everyone begged for new OL but the new guys can't block either, wierd that once they step foot in Miami they forget how to block], WR's drop to many passes [every team has dropped passes, sorry, it doesn't happen in just Miami], never throwing downfield isn't RT17's fault [oddly enough, this is second OC that chooses not to have RT17 throw passes downfield but thats not RT17's fault]) Excuses are like ***holes, everyone has one.
     
  33. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I didn't mention Luck or Rodgers, check the guy I quoted bud, he brought Rodgers and Luck into the debate first, and then I compared since he decided to bring them into debate.
     
  34. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    He made the week 8 comment in regard to other team's QB, stop talking out of your *** please.
     
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    "It was Week 8 for us last year, and then all of a sudden you could see the guys around him start to get it and play faster and play better," Arians said.

    Since you were talking out of your ***, I'll just pull the quote up in here for all to see. Because I like to bring facts to the table. What is it you do? I don't even think you read the article, that's why I provided the link, you know, so you can read before speaking
    :dots: (By saying this quote, he used it as an excuse, when at the end of the day, his team played like crap to start the season, and the back end of the schedule was favorable to the offense where they only had 2 games against good defenses and 4 games against teams with winning records, which he went 2-2 in).
     
  36. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    He was ASKED about Manning, he wasn't trying to justify his team sucking as your lame *** theory stated.

    Again, STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR *** PLEASE.
     
  37. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    For every QB you show me that struggled in a new offense, I can show you a QB that didn't struggle learning a new offense (Drew Brees first year with Saints, Alex Smith first year with Harbaugh, Nick Foles first year with Chip Kelly, need I go on?) At the end of the day, it's an excuse, some use it, others dont.

    And you might not think it, but he was def. trying to justify why his team was so bad to start the season last year, albeit, while talking about Eli, but, he did use his own team as an example, and it was because he had favorable schedule to end the season, his offense wasn't good this year and it wasn't all that good last year, his defense on the other hand, OUTSTANDING!
     
  38. Patssuck

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    so the pats game where his receivers and run backs dropped at least 2 td?
    so the jets game where Wallace dropped a perfect pass for a touchdown?
    so the Green Bay game where he helped put us in position to win?

    You see things to black and white and without context of the game.

    Then again you are the guy who talks about the oline like its not an issue after like week 7
     
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  39. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I will say this one last time, it is starting to get repetitive, every team has dropped passes, every team has injuries and players on the OL that coaches probably don't find ideal. For some reason, you and others think Miami is the only team that has injuries, bad OL, and dropped passes, GREAT QBs overcome it. Watch a different game besides Miami's, it will help you gain perspective, being too involved with one team will cloud your judgement, step outside the box and gain perspective.
     
  40. resnor

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    I'm so glad I put him on ignore...although I still have to see the idiocy when you guys quote him.

    LOL @ the comment about someone having an agenda. At this point, every Tannehill detractor on this site has an agenda, it is completely obvious now.
     
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