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A Sound, Well Constructed Argument Why It Is Good That Philbin Is Retained

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sethdaddy8, Dec 21, 2014.

  1. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, that's absolutely what we are right now.

    When you don't have a Rodgers, Peyton or Brady, you gotta fight your way in.

    Right now, Wildcard is our way into the Play-offs.

    Maybe in another couple years we'll be able to win the division.

    Deal with it and don't be a spoiled brat.
     
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  2. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Maybe in another couple years we'll be able to win the division? Wouldn't this wild card you keep talking about be a good place to start? Maybe in another couple years we'll be able to sneak in with a wild card. That's what we're looking at here.
     
  3. 3Pmi

    3Pmi IT Specialist Staff Member Administrator

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    You're a spoiled brat now if you aren't willing to accept mediocrity? Duly noted, Lemming.
     
  4. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Haha....yeah....a lemming that doesn't throw the HC and Owner under the bus at every opportunity in a forum where that sort of thing is par for the course.

    I realize that the only way to be "cool" around here is to take a giant crap on the team and use every success and every failure as a way to denigrate the HC and the Owner, but I'm just not going to engage in that.

    You say lemming. I say relatively neutral fan who doesn't mind slow progress. :)
     
  5. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Spoiled Brat implies that there is ever some sort of pay-off, reward, winning. There is none of this.
     
  6. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Naa I think we're a LOCK to get in next year. RT's continued growth alone is a major positive going forward. We get, what, the AFC South and NFC East next year? We got the AFC West this year, and split with that division. Had the NFC North and lost to both playoff teams in that division, in the last few seconds...won against another in the last few seconds.

    There is, of course, no possible way to know how the two divisions we face next year will improve/decline, but I much prefer the outlook as-is. We play Indy well, and I'd love to see us finally get off the schneid against Houston...if that game's in Houston, I'm going. Philly and Dallas will likely be tough. A few lucky breaks on the injury front next year, with some depth built in the off-season...nobody will want to play Miami.
     
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  7. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I just don't understand the negativity and hatred.

    What business do you have even watching games if you're just going to complain win or lose? I would think the rational thing to do would be to stop watching.

    If I legitimately hated as much about this team as so many around here profess, I guarantee I would not waste my time following this team and being part of a forum.

    What bothers me is that people complain even when good things happen. Like seriously...look around for a minute and take stock of what you have. This franchise has a legit QB for the first time in forever and people still want to complain. Philbin was brought here solely to develop a QB-driven offense like you see in Green Bay and that's what we're slowly working towards. And now people are talking about abandoning it in the middle the rebuild.

    This forum is stanchly anti-Philbin. And NO, not every forum is that way.

    I just don't get it?

    Why be part of a forum if it's solely to complain about stuff you can't control and if everything gets turned into a negative?

    Your QB just threw for 396 yards and 4 TDs in a clutch performance at home.

    And somehow that's going to get turned into a knock on Philbin.

    I'm sick of reading it and I'm sick of people getting away with having such piss poor attitudes about this team.

    Politics...I get it. That's infuriating stuff. But football? C'mon guys, why do so many people want to mope around and complain about everything?
     
  8. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    LOL, I think a long time season ticket holder has the right to say what he wants.

    (Not just one season ticket)
     
  9. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    That's how you handle things. Not everyone is wired the same, and I think you know that. I handle each thread as is own. I'm in every RT17 thread positive, happy, and gleeful. I am very down on this move, not because I hate Joe Philbin. I think he's a good man, and I wish him well. But I think Ross just wasted another year of my football life, and football and these Dolphins are very important to me. So when we do things like keep Sparano too long, keep Ireland too long, do the wrong thing for too long, I get very angry. Angry cause i care. If I didn't care, I wouldn't mind us not being relevant next year. You know, Irish, Sparano...they had their supporters too. And that's fine.

    But I am very pissed to be reliving very recent, very common, very time consuming mistakes.

    13' bills and jets
    14' raven and pats

    I just cannot fathom how a coach can survive those revelations.
     
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  10. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I love that people have differing opinions and that forums give us all a chance to talk.

    It's the folks that can't be civil about it, that want to make everything into a f'ing argument that need to be taken outback and put out of their misery so we don't have to keep being subjected to same old anti-this anti-that rants.

    I don't see why some people think that if they say "F Philbin" 600 times as opposed to 6 times it's going to do anything.

    WE GET IT.
     
  11. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I get it.

    I guess my point is that when every single thread contains the same people saying the same things and patting each other on the back, it gets rather annoying.

    Why do we need to have 6 threads going about how much people hate Philbin?

    To someone like me, who doesn't necessarily hate Philbin, it sort of sucks that 90% of this forum has become anti-Philbin rantings.

    As a poster on any forum you should feel obliged to state your opinion and let it go. Saying it 600 times doesn't make it more or less than what it is. It just makes you sound like a spoiled brat complaining over spilled milk.
     
  12. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Well, people argue points and it carries on. For me it can be cathartic to get things off my football chest. In the thread I started, I honestly was just searching for some hope.
     
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  13. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Some people put that energy into good posts and some people sound like little school girls who didn't get an extra piece of cake.

    You're certainly not the latter. Didn't mean to send that message.

    In society the cynical and bitter people get shunned away. That's the "punishment" for being that way.

    Unfortunately, there's no deterrent for that attitude on an internet forum and it gets to run a muck unchecked until eventually the level-headed are the ones getting chastised.

    The reality is, the majority of level-headed fans with neutral views don't post on internet message boards. In a place like this you're automatically dealing with the most extreme opinions and hostile people. I get that.

    Sad but true.
     
  14. LBsFinest

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    Yea, it's a mystery.....
     
  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Don't forget Mitsubishi. The fine folks who gave us the Zero. Luckily, while they may have been maneuverable and had decent firepower, they carried no armor plating and did not have self sealing fuel tanks. So, if you hit one they went down relatively easily. Pilot survival and safety was not a big priority for the Japanese. Nothing could bring more honor to the family than dying for the emperor. :shifty:
     
  16. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    The problem with Zeros is that Japan could never hope to produce enough of them. The Sherman and T-34 were similarly outclassed, not that it mattered. Unless you were the one riding in one that is..
     
  17. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion we as fans are always too close to a situation to give unbiased or unfiltered feedback. I think you don't move unless you can guarantee an upgrade and I'm not sure with the firings coming we could do that. It sucks that January is empty again but that's the case for most teams.

    There are some on this forum who shout on about accepting mediocrity as if the person they are directing it at doesn't want to win. Wanting something to happen doesn't make it happen. That's your first parenting lesson. I want does not get. Nobody on this forum is accepting mediocrity, some just have different opinions on the way forward. Dolphins Greg is spot on when he says that repeating the mantra makes for this a boring place. I get that LBSFINEST doesn't like Philbin and ross, like he didn't like Ireland but making that 95% of your posts just.detracts from the debate not adds.

    Like any situation there are a number of pros and cons to keeping Philbin. The team definitely has shown improvement over the past year. The players clearly like him. Constantly shuffling the deck is no way to guarantee success. Injuries really battered this team.
    On the other hand he's a nervous play caller in crucial situations. Injuries affect all teams. Are one game win improvements really improvement?

    I don't know is the answer. I do know that as a fan I have zero power in this situation so it is what it is.
     
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  18. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    My question is, what realistic options are out there that are better? Harbaugh? Maybe. Rex Ryan? I am not sure if that is better. Gruden? Cowher? Neither has coached in years. Lazor? After one year of being an OC?

    I assumed Philbin was as good as gone, and feel he probably should be, but honestly...who is realistically better?

    Beyond that, the development of Tannhill has happened under Philbin's watch. And our record has improved each year (assuming we beat the Jets at home). So we are trending in the right direction. We beat the teams we are "supposed" to beat.

    We can't yet beat the playoff and elite teams consistently (Patriots, Packers, Lions, Broncos, Ravens). That is the next step. And I do believe that we have some questions answered at the skill positions. Lamar Miller can be a feature back. Tannehill is our QB. Wallace and Landry are our starting wideouts next season. Clay and Sims can more than hold their own at TE. Our draft and free agency can be used to build and re-build our infrastructure across both lines and line backing corps.

    I don't know...maybe I am grasping.
     
  19. EverFin

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    That's the point. Tannehill has so much improved. Have all of you realized that he played on a very high level during the process of his development? I know it is hard to tell our Fans to be patient (we did for the last 20 years). But most young QB need that time to blossom. I guess, Aaron Rodgers would not have gotten that chance in Miami...

    I'm not a Philbin Fan but it makes absolutely sense to me to point the focus to the development of our still young QB. Tannehill will become a leader for years to come. Lazor is the right OC, Hickey surprised me last offseason and I hope he will do it again.

    The right time for a change at HC will be later!
     
  20. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Available evidence like making enough money to purchase a billion dollar NFL franchise? What's that say about everyone's intelligence here then if someone so stupid can be so much more successful?
     
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  21. cdz12250

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    1. Ross is not going to compete with his alma mater, Michigan, for Harbaugh.
    2. Except for Harbaugh, there is no available proven alternative who is coaching at least at a playoff or division championship level.
    3. The players like Philbin.
    4. Yes; continuity of the present regime.
    5. Close games with Denver, Green Bay and Detroit show that we are on the verge of being competitive.
    6. We had a lot of injuries that set us back.
    7. Hickey is doing a good job of getting the personnel needed to win.
    8. Rexie is a defensive genius who doesn't know enough about offense.
    9. Neither Gruden nor Cowher is going to leave broadcasting to coach this team.
    10. Shula, Madden and Vermeil are too old, and Lombardi has passed away.
    11. Philbin is not good enough to get us to the playoffs, but not bad enough to tar and feather and run out of town on a rail.
    12. Philbin is a nice guy.
    13. We have a lot invested in Philbin's learning on the job.
    14. Ross gave Philbin a contract to coach through 2015.

    I don't think we should keep Philbin, but there's the argument.
     
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  22. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    He is cheap.
     
  23. jcliving

    jcliving Active Member

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    No one on this board is satisfied with mediocrity. This is a ludicrous statement repeated by many on this board. Reasonable people may disagree on the best path to improvement.
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    They couldn't produce enough competent pilots fast enough either. They lost a high pct of their best, most experienced pilots at Midway and were never able to replace them.
     
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  25. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Just because he's smart and successful in one area of life, doesn't make him smart in others.
     
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  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    "There is nothing as stupid as an educated man if you get him off the thing he was educated on." ~ Will Rogers. :yes:
     
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  27. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Well "all evidence" doesn't exclude evidence from the area he is smart in then, huh?
     
  28. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    I'll say again, my absolute fear is that we have a good but modest play-off run next year, on the back of Lazor and RT17. And Lazor becomes a star for making our offense relevant again, and developing a QB in Miami. And then he moves on, and we are left with high hopes going into 2016, and just end up back where we are...nowhere, going no place. Philbin and RT17 may not be enough to be a perennial post-season combo. Just saying, that is my semi-long term fear. This multiplied by the "potential" of hiring a coach I absolutely believe in to be a long term titan in this league, Harbaugh. I think you have to go all in and pursue the white whale when he shows himself. And I know Ross believes in his talent too. That is the heart of my current Football Frustration. Just how I feel. I was just handed all this, so like many others, I need to digest it for a while.
     
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  29. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    There is a small part of me that wonders, had Scott Linehan never left, would we not be hailing Saban as the savior of South Beach.
     
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  30. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Mr. Ross said so...
     
  31. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    :tantrum:

    Im still annoyed Ross telegraphed our draft last year. It cost us an extra pick when we clearly could have traded down with the Saints.
     
  32. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Greg, don't confuse negativity and hatred for love of your favorite team. We ALL want to see this team get back to relevance, especially those of us who spent the bulk of their lives in relevancy with this team. Some want to see the course (like Mr. Ross), some want wholesale change, some just want some changes, but we ALL want to see a better team than we've seen in the last 10-12 years... Philbin has been here for 3 of those years and it's the same old, same old...

    I look at comments made and think back to the Ireland debates...now that was negativity and hatred...nah, just kidding...it was avid fans wanting their team to be better and the folks running the show consistently didn't get it done...just where we're at right now with Philbin...it's not about disliking or 'hating' Joe Philbin, it's about disliking or hating how he's running this organization.

    The negativity of the fanbase is directly tied to those guys...Ross, Philbin, Coyle, Lazor, etc... So that emotion will be thrown out against them as they continue towards mediocrity, as they have the last 3 years instead of improving...
     
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  33. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    hehehe...me too...
     
  34. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Except they have been improving. And when you consider that a good chunk of the existing talent and leadership base (Vontae, Marshall, Bush, Dansby, Burnett, Long, Fasano) was let go very early on its even more impressive. They've rebuilt the team while improving the product and with a win Sunday, raising the win total each season. Not bad at all. I know its not as quick and easy as hiring the next savior HC but we've tried that and it's failed each time.
     
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  35. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The defense has steadily regressed since Philbin took over. If you are looking at actual results on the field, such as points allowed.
     
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  36. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Philbin can show us 96 more ways to misuse timeouts next year.
     
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  37. jdallen1222

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    You can always find a band wagon to jump onto. Not trying to be a dick, but as fans we aren't entitled to any of this, we just want it.
     
  38. Rick 1966

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    But you're doing so well at it for not trying.
     
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  39. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Mike Dee called me personally about 3 or 4 years ago when it came to his attention I had not renewed my season tickets and the deadline was closing in.

    In real life, this isn't a big deal. I live in NJ, and have had season tickets for 14 years. Not one or two, but as many as 6 at a time. As a fan, when is the last time the ceo of your favorite team called you out of courtesy and respect?

    You don't talk to me about bandwagons.
     
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  40. RickyNeverInhaled

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    What did you tell Mike Dee during that phone call?
     

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