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I'm out on Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 28, 2014.

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  1. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I'm telling you man, trying to teach them what intangibles are isn't gonna work, they will never understand.
     
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  2. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How about expecting the defense to stop the 3-12 jets from marching up and down the field? the offense scored 24 points and oh yeah the Miller run was a read option and ryan read pace right and handed the ball off so thats where I have the issue. why is it instead of expecting the defense to carry its weight we expect RT 100% of the time to overcome
     
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  3. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    there was a stat they posted sometime in the first half the related to qb pressure it was something like

    20 dropback 2 sacks 5 knockdowns 7 hits or something like that. the drive before halftime tannehill was hit every single play, and im not talking about soft hits, the guy was getting planted, including a couple of helmet to helmet shots.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    he's a warrior, tough sob, just don't think he has enough when the stakes get higher..it's not all on tannehill, returning head coach got outcoached, but that's another thread
     
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  5. DePhinistr8

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    Oh my mistake...failed reading comprehension on my part....my apologies Rhody

    Yes .. the Jets D certainly had turned it on lately
     
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  6. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    clearly you dont understand

    and dont condescend to think yiu are so much smarter than everyone else here
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    not one time did the qb break the pocket.. Yall don't think there is a problem there? Lol
     
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  8. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    But to me, that all counts in the evaluation of the player (to an extent). Especially a player as raw as Ryan, and who has improved significantly each season under less than ideal circumstances
     
  9. shamegame13

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    I was just replying to the poster that said RT17 was best player on the field today, when I was just letting it be known that LM26 was indeed best player for Phins today.
     
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  10. speed

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    I guess we figured out what the 13 refers to.
     
  11. dolfan22

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    OLine problem , yeah I do think there is a problem .
     
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  12. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    You simply cannot know if he has enough because Tannehill is not even close to being the limiting factor holding the success of this team. He's probably not even the 2nd, 3rd or 4th limiting factor holding down this team. Until you can safely say Tannehill is the bottleneck for this team's success, you cannot say he doesn't have what it takes.

    To culminate your opinion on him in a game like today, under all the circumstances present, forgive me dj, but I think it to be beneath your intelligence.
     
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  13. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yeah I do. but if you think that cost us anything your wrong.

    There were also times that you believe he should have escaped that he couldnt have. Tannehill can run but he is not the fastest off the first step. yes I would like him to escape more, but IMO he is learning that fine line of escaping and giving up on a play. I have also seen improvement in his pocket movement so in the end I dont think he is luck or Wilson but just below and we can win with that
     
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  14. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    No, I honestly don't. Our QB isn't Russell Wilson. He's a pocket passer... like most other QBs. There are a couple rare ones that are great passers who can also take off (Rogers, Luck, etc). But that's ok. You don't need that to be a great QB and we don't need that to win. It would be nice to have, but isn't a necessity. Tannehill has the necessities, and then some. QB isn't the problem on this team. I honestly don't even believe it's remotely close.
     
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  15. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    to break the pocket you need a place to run to, and when pressure is coming from the inside the way it was there was nowhere to go.
     
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  16. brandon27

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    You saw a pocket today?

    Weird.
     
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  17. jdang307

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    It's not about running around and avoiding a sack, although those help. Russell Wilson is pressured/hit/sacked quite a bit as well. It's running around, improvising and making plays. Aaron Rodgers does it. Andrew Luck does it. Big Ben does it. Tony Romo does it. That's what DJ wants to see. And I'm not going to sit here and tell him he's wrong. These skills make up deficiencies in other areas of the team, such as receiving corp and oline. Seattle won last year despite a terrible, terrible oline and the pressure numbers on Wilson were quite high.

    Tony Romo, yeah they've been 8-8 the last few years, because he can't make up for a historically bad defense and no run game without Demarco Murray. Get Romo a decent defense and good run game and watch out. Our defense hasn't been Dallas' bad yet we can't make it over the hump. DJ thinks there are certain qualities that a QB possesses that can take us over that hump, and doesn't think Tanny possesses them. Even if you don't agree it doesn't mean there isn't some merit in that point of view.
     
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  18. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I meant that the Jets defense is good. I agree that our defense is garbage.
     
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  19. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i saw the jets holding a defensive meeting over tannehills corpse.
     
  20. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Enough to what? Be Aaron Rodgers? There are no more Aaron Rodgers bro. There are 10 to 12 QBs good enough to be an every year starter. And RT17 had a damn good year with far less than stellar surroundings. He is not that far off from Romo who has among the best o line, WR, TE, and RB in the league. What better possibility do we have moving forward than RT17 who is so much better than 80% of the league?
     
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  21. shamegame13

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    Wasn't talking to you though, I was letting djphinfan know its hard to teach fans about intangibles in these forums.. I have tried and very few understand intangibles..
     
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  22. DePhinistr8

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    Gotcha..I misunderstood and apologized for my lack of reading skills a few posts later :)

    I agree with you. :knucks:
     
  23. speed

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    So the 31 yard scramble that had Tannehill escape the "pocket" and make a beautiful throw on the run, only to have Wallace drop it, doesn't count? This was last week.

    Please. Anybody who can say he can't scramble has an agenda, period.
     
  24. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    oh yes please share your infinite wisdom with us lowly peons oh all knowledgeable one please shine some of your guiding light on us.

    seriously get your nose out of the air and your head out of your ***.
     
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  25. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    Sorry I had to add to this stupid thread...everyone else did. :tongue2:
     
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  26. JMHPhin

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    ok and the point many here including myself are making, and has been shown to be true, give Rt solid oline play and a good defense and we win. escapability what does it mean if he isnt making plays and the team doesnt win, which my point was with with romo. his escapability that is so much better than RTs lead to what for the Cowboys? nothing until their defense and oline improved and kept Murray from getting killed and he stayed healthy.
     
  27. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    well i guess I lied... I will say something... You guys saw that Lamar Miller 97 yard TD run right? Breaking the longest run from scrimmage ever in Dolphins history... you know what made that play possible? Well.. i mean one of the things that made that play possible? there were several, but it's important to note here.. in this thread... Did anyone else see what Calvin Pace did on that play? The OLB on the play side?? Who he was focusing on instead of crashing down and tackling Lamar Miller for a few yard gain?

    [​IMG]
     
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  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm simply stating my opinion on his ceiling..I've had three years of reps.. Just not confident that he can win when protection breaks down and for anyone who thinks the pocket is gonna be all nice and pretty all the way to the superbowl your in for a wake up call
     
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  29. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Not good enough.

    Tannehill's a chump.

    Shoulda stuck with Henne. Playoffs, *****!
     
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  30. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    for protection to breakdown you imply he at one point had protection.....
     
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  31. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I would, but it would be a waste of my time considering you will continue to blame everyone but the QB, I agree that D and OL deserve blame but so does RT17, our offense revolves around him and our record is a reflection of his play, middle of pack team with a middle of pack QB.
     
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  32. Vertical Limit

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    I like how everyone just comments saying the thread and opinion is stupid, and then bring out stats to back up Tannehill. You all sound like Lions' fans salivating over stats, but at least Stafford has made it to the playoffs before unlike Tannehill, and even with that, I would never want Stafford as my franchise quarterback, even with his Marino-like second season in the NFL, and everyone did compare him to Marino after throwing 41 TD's in his third season.

    Here's the stat I want you all to defend, Tannehill's fourth quarter winning percentage being in the bottom five in the league. Everything drops, as far as completion percentage, points, etc. In the 4th quarter he folds. Please explain to me why this is?
     
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  33. djphinfan

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    yeah that read option is a fad don't ya know lol
     
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    Hah!
     
  35. Sumlit

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    He's shown to be able to make plays under pressure quite a bit. Today was not an instance of sporadic pressure befuddling him into stalling drives. Today was an instance of constant and aggressive pressure in every single drop back, and constant and heavy punishment as well.

    If anyone expects a QB to excel under such dire circumstances with any kind of consistency, they are the ones in need of a wake up call.
     
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    I was going to put this dude on ignore, but this is comedy gold.

    :jt0323:
     
  37. Springveldt

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    Their problem was a God awful OL and defence which they have fixed this season.
     
  38. JMHPhin

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    my point is when you say you cant teach intangibles that you have tried, comes off condescending. I am not doubting nor questioning your football intelligence I dont know you as a poster well enough to speak to that. My issue is in saying that you have not IMO proven yourself to be the expert on intangibles in that people should listen and learn from you. Thats what it says when you say you have tried to "teach" and they cant learn or "understand" I am just saying it comes off better if you state it as you have tried to discuss what you believes makes up intangibles a qb needs and it has gone nowhere, something like that. your post just came off condescending
     
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  39. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    team is usually down, becomes one dimensional with a sieve oline that constalnty allows pressure on 3 man pressures.
     
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  40. JMHPhin

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    I would love for you to include all the late 4th qtr collapses by the defense rather than cherry picking what makes your argument sound great
     
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