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We will be better next year and make your prediction

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bigsteve606, Dec 28, 2014.

  1. speed

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    Get back to me. Still waiting to see if Coyle gets axed.
     
  2. rafael

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    The best players on D are aging and well past the point when most at their positions are in their prime. If their play drops off then our D can certainly be worse. Our LT is coming off a significant injury that could easily rob him of a step. Not to mention that we have a HC who tends to stick with players he seems to like personally even when they're playing horribly. I'm not making a prediction here. I'm just saying that I think it's pretty easy to see things getting worse.

    No idea on who's available at DC.
     
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  3. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Really ?? Can we make any predictions when technically we have about 12 players (starters or contributors) that are no longer part of the team ??
     
  4. shamegame13

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    4-12 at worse, 8-8 at best
     
  5. Jen

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    I tend to agree with those who feel we will win anywhere from 4-6 games. I see the team in a worse position than we were in last year at this time. We are going to have good, contributing players end up as cap casualties. The jury is still out on if Brandon Albert will get back to form. Too many needs with the offensive line. Who will play middle linebacker? Misi has had durability issues all year. Lot's of need for good cornerbacks, and defensive talent. I'm hoping for the best, but realistically, preparing myself for the worst as far as this team goes. Although I'm encouraged by Tannehill's development, it still worries me that he can't throw a deep ball down the field accurately. It's a short passing offense, and how long can this work realistically? I don't profess to know the answers.
     
  6. djphinfan

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    If the qb is as good as some believe he is, and the improvement continues as he and lazor are together it shouldn't matter who the head coach is..he should be able to get us over the hump..right?
     
  7. djphinfan

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    franchise qbs do not allow 6 and 10 seasons.
     
  8. djphinfan

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    Exactly, anything before is for sh&$s and giggles.
     
  9. djphinfan

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    I agree, and have been trying to build that blueprint before Seattle, they just took my guy.

    Great defense..playmaking qb who plays efficiently from the pocket..bad *** back..
     
  10. emocomputerjock

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    What's a franchise QB in this regard? Rodgers has a 6-10 season, and Drew Brees has 3 7-9 seasons with the Saints.
     
  11. DPlus47

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    7-9. I hope it's enough to cause a staff housecleaning, but I fear it will not be.
     
  12. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Not gonna make a prediction yet until I see the offseason moves. Free agency, draft, and whether Coyle is fired. Then if Coyle is fired depends on who they bring in to replace him.
     
  13. LI phinfan

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    We, as Dolphin fans, have a tough enough time guessing what team shows up week to week. We even have a tough time guessing how we will finish in season. To guess without knowing FA or the draft is a crapshoot. All I know, is that when it comes to this team....I know NOTHING
     
  14. djphinfan

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    his fourth season, pressure is on to have a one winning season..or else you have to look at rebuilding the whole thing from scratch.
     
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  15. Limbo

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    People will be surprised to find how little the odds and expectations change even with all that stuff. As long as you have the same HC and QB, projections won't move much.

    *Case in point*: Poured resources into weakest unit (OLine), ditched awful Mike Sherman for promising Bill Lazor ... went from 8-8 to 8-8. :up:
     
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  16. phinswolverinesrockets

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    5-11

    Philbin will get an extension because Ross still thinks "we're building something".
     
  17. bigbry

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    Exactly!!!!

    Undefeated!!!

    Anyone saying less is not a fan. That is what Bpk is saying.

    Ross is a football Genius.
     
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  18. dolphin25

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    The Dolphins were second behind the Seahawks in per carry average. Their DC believe in letting his guys play and not making them think too much. I wish our DC would try that.
     
  19. jinx

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    I feel a repeat of 2004 coming. Wheels totally come off on a coach who should've been fired the year before. The only difference being Philbin won't have the good sense to just resign like Wanny did.
     
  20. Piston Honda

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    Tannehill alone is enough to be optimistic about next year.

    On top of that we've got a good offense and offensive system, assuming Albert comes back all we need is a play maker at WR and a physical RB. Clay should be a priority.

    Defensively, the LB unit needs to be addressed. If Taylor, Davis and Thomas come back we can get by at CB, need a a FS though. Bring Odrick back if he's affordable, to avoid spending a high draft pick on his replacement.

    Above all stay healthy. Injuries were a KILLER this year. They totally blew up our strategy for winning games.

    Hickey made some smart moves prior to last season, if he does it again we'll be in good shape, in that 4-8 group of AFC teams looking to make the tournament.
     
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  21. Piston Honda

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    Aaaargh!!! I'm angry and I hope we lose real bad so I can beat my cheat and talk about how right I was...
     
  22. LBsFinest

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    Lol
     
  23. HogsHDFinsfan

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    5 - 11...If we catch a break or two, 7-9. BUT this team has all the makings of a 5 or 6 win team.
     
  24. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Which team is that? The one who just won 8 games? GTFOH.
     
  25. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    i don't think it's quite that simple... Bear in mind you've got arguably the best secondary in the league, top two or three DL in the league and the backers are mid to top level guys as well...We can pick out a player or three on D, but that's it... It's a heck of a lot easier to coach talented players than it is to scheme around player weaknesses as Coyle has to...that said, it's not a complete excuse for how Coyle's D has played...he needs to go...
     
  26. bigbry

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    All of 8 games...we are sooooo awesome!
     
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  27. Piston Honda

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    Awesome no, cynical? Yes. I'd love for people quit whining over Philbin being retained and talk about next year like the OP says. I guess it's gonna take a while longer.
     
  28. Clark Kent

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    We could easily go 2-6 at home next year. I don't think it's going to happen, but we're not going any better than 4-4. Our away schedule has some soft spots, I'm thinking 4-4 too. Maybe 5-3. So, 8-8/9-7 seems the most realistic based on 2014. Obviously the off season could change the dynamics for/against us.
     
  29. HogsHDFinsfan

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    A team that totally collapsed. Gtfoh, ydfb.
     
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  30. HogsHDFinsfan

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    Rofl....yeah, piston honda is so much more enlightened.
     
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  31. LI phinfan

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    I hate to tell you Piston, this whining about Philbin will only get louder. Philbin's seat will only get hotter. Imagine getting off to a slow start next season? A large majority of fans will want him fired in season. Every loss will be a "Fire Joe" avalanche. Problem is that he probably deserved to be fired. Then add in that he was retained after the Viking win only to lose to a hated rival at home...BADLY!!! That loss will be the image many fans carry with them all off-season. Gonna take a little while longer???........you are being naive if you think this distaste for Joe will fade over time, or if ever.
     
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  32. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    On one hand Honda, the complaining about Dumbo (rightfully so) won't stop unless some sort of miracle happens next year and this team starts looking like a real NFL organization, but yes, it's time to quit complaining about Dumbo being retained because it's done...we, as fans, can't do a dang thing about it...

    On the other hand, it was presumptuous of the OP to start a thread like this. Who the he!! knows what this team is going to even look like next season at this point ?? We have a dozen FAs, many who are starters or big contributors. We think (hopefully so), that the coaching staff isn't quite settled at this point. FA begins in 3 months and the draft is in 5 months...who would post a question like "what will we look like and/or what will our W/L totals be for the 2015 season now ??? I can't begin to figure out the motive of the OP and don't care to at this point...it's a rather moot point...
     
  33. jw3102

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    This team went 1-3 in December and 1-5 against teams which made the playoffs this season. They are bringing back a head coach who has a losing record over his first three years with the team.

    The defense has regressed every year, in regards to point allowed, over the past three years.

    While Tannehill has shown improvement, the OL is still a major concern and there is no way of knowing if Albert will be able to return to his high level of play after sustaining a major knee injury.

    With the schedule this team has next year and all the positions they need to upgrade, I can imagine Philbin being fired around mid season and the team ending the season with a record of 6-10 or worse.

    I fully expect the Dolphins and their new GM and new Head Coach to have a top ten pick in the 2016 draft.
     
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  34. DolphinGreg

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    I don't know where you're coming from either. There's no evidence to support the notion that this team will regress.

    This year, the team faced a tough schedule, had to contend with big-time injuries, demonstrated a complete defensive collapse over the 2nd half of the season, played meaningless games towards the end in which they could've given up and did it all while supposedly playing for a coach the players didn't support.

    I mean, that to me, sounds like a disaster scenario, yet it still yielded an 8-8 record. So how on Earth could someone think that next year would actually be harder on this team?

    I think that when you look at the off-season as a chance to upgrade, it's pretty obvious that 8-8 is about the worst that this team could manage. Any projection that is less than 8-8 has to come with some serious explanation on how an easier schedule, a QB gaining experience in the offense, key players coming back from injury and an offseason's worth of new signings is going to equate to regression.

    I just don't see how next season could be harder, in any way, than this season, short of Ryan Tannehill getting injured.


    There will be pressure on Philbin to get the team to the Play-offs. The question isn't whether or not the team is going to win 5 or 6 games. That's a ridiculous projection that is based on emotion and frustration.

    If we don't win 10 games next year, I'll be disappointed. The notion of having a losing record is, to me at least, ludicrous.
     
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    I appreciate that you are optimistic going into next season. Yet to say that those of us who are predicting a 5 or 6 win season next year are being ridiculous is merely your opinion.

    I think when you look at this roster and the fact a very mediocre head coach is returning next year. I can look at your projection of 10 wins and have the opinion you are being ridiculous in your view of this team and its chances next season.

    Of course I have been told by many people on this forum that I was completely wrong in predicting 8-8 records for the Dolphins prior to the past two seasons.

    You seem to think Philbin will have more pressure to win next year than he did this year. I think many of the players don't like playing for Philbin and as we saw late in this season, they aren't willing to put forth any extra effort to save his job.

    I think by the end of next year, many of the players will be happy to see Philbin gone and will be looking forward to a new head coach in 2016.

    I don't feel I am looking at this emotionally or even out of frustration. I am looking at a team with a defense which doesn't have much talent on it and the best two players on the defense are both over 30 and on the downside of their career. I think it is going to take two or three years to rebuild the defense and I think they will likely be a bottom ten defense in 2015.

    I believe the offense will probably average around 24 points a game next year. Similar to what it averaged this past season. This might be enough to have a winning season if the defense was better, but as I stated above, I see the defense regressing even more next season.

    Last but not least, I don't see Philbin as the type of coach players rally around in an attempt to save his job. I see next year a lot like the Dolphins 2011 season, which was also Sparano's 4th season as the Dolphins head coach.

    The team will start the season slowly and Ross will step in around mid season and fire Philbin. Most likely Lazor will take over the Dolphins as the interim HC and the team will finish the season 6-10

    A new head coach and a new GM will be hired after the 2015 season is complete and that is when the actual rebuilding process will begin. It's just to bad the rebuilding process couldn't start this off season with a new head coach already in place.
     
  36. pumpdogs

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    You can't blame people for dreaming but thats what they are doing.Ross is putting us behind a year by not firing philbin now.
    This team is going to be around 6-10 next year and we should be cutting our losses now like wake why he still has value.
     
  37. Stringer Bell

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    Two best players are old and declining.
     
  38. DPlus47

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    Philbin should have been fired last year, after the first time they quit at the end of the season. It's amazing to me that they quit at the end of this one and somehow Philbin still has a job. They finished 3-5. That's a real achievement that should carry over into next season. Third time's a charm?

    Optimism is the more difficult position to defend with this group.
     
  39. DPlus47

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    Two years. Ross has put us behind two years.
     
  40. DolphinGreg

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    Look, don't sit there and say "that's just your opinion." You're better than that. We don't have to be reminded of what we think. I'm not going to be apologetic about what I see in this football team. No one is ever going to appease everyone. We all have the right to see things different and there will NEVER be a time when everyone sees eye to eye on all matters. And yes, I could be wrong. But do we need to be that soft? Does it really need to be sugar-coated?

    I'm fine if someone wants to do the legwork before committing to a prediction like 5-11, but I don't see any of that happening. I think people are simply sour and want to believe that this 8-8 is worse than it is. You point out Sparano towards the end of his tenure in Miami but there's a humongous different between the team then and now. It's called talent.

    This team will go as far as the talent it has. Forget about the coaches for a minute. And I don't care how much the players do or don't love a coach, that's only going to make at best maybe a game's worth of difference in the record. Team's don't rise to 11-5 simply because they love the coach. It's much more often that the coach is popular as long as the team is 11-5. It doesn't work the other way around, a bad player is not going to become a good one just by "trying" or through his "love of the coach." Sparano crashed and burned because he didn't have sufficient talent, particularly not on the O-line, and because he was stuck with a horrible QB that couldn't avoid turnovers.



    And to be fair, I don't think that in my life I've proven to be an overwhelmingly optimistic person. However, in the midst of this forum I appear to be a Ned Flanders. Based on seeing several other forums, I would say that this is a notably negative forum in terms of how the coaches and players are perceived. The coaches can do no right while a handful of players are seen as perfect (Landry, Wake, etc.). Hell, people are so gun-shy about the position that they're actually discussing whether or not Tannehill is a legit QB. I'm actually blown away that there are 4-5 people here that have sided with me on the "we should think about trading Wake" initiative. I thought for sure that I'd be crucified for saying that.

    Now, of course it's just my opinion but I think this talk of going 5-11 is ridiculous. But as I've said over and over, it's driven by the frustration of how the season ended. I don't see people analyzing the players, or the coaches playbook or the draft. But yet I hear a lot of very confident statements that imply we're a sinking ship. Well, if that wasn't the case 2 months ago, why should it be now? Nothing could have changed that much in 2 months.

    Yeah, I'll admit that right now the weather in Miami is cloudy and dark but that came about in the last few weeks and it's downright dumb (yeah I said it) to write every ounce of progress off simply because the last game of the season was a loss and towards the end our defense let us down. This would be one of those prototypical "low points" during which emotion is high and long-term projections are erratic and often extreme.

    Not everyone in the world thinks that the Dolphins ship in sinking. When I visit the last forum at which I was a member (for probably 7-10 years), I'm surprised to read that most people didn't want Harbaugh. Many of the people wanted to stick with Philbin for many of the same reasons I wanted to. Now that's heresy to folks in this forum, but that's only because they never get out of their circle of 15 friends. It's really easy to think the entire world in on your side when you don't get out that much. ;)

    The ship is not f'ing sinking. We're 8-8. The talent on offensive is solid. The OC is good. The QB is good. The defense needs pieces for sure but that's why free agency and the draft exist! How does that make us a 5-11 football team? There are no rational evidence to support that. It's easy to say that kind of thing but it's really hard to point to a way in which that would actually happen. I think fans have forgotten just how bad a team has to be in order to be 5-11. Miami might be "average" but they sure as heck are not "really bad." Look at the teams around the league that have horrible records: Chicago, NYJ, Tampa, New Orleans, Washington, Jacksonville, etc, etc, etc.
     

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