We got killed in time of possession. We got killed in the turnover margin. And we got killed in the passer rating differential. All the fault of our QB playing horrendously in the first half. IMO its a miracle we even had a chance to win that game and the only thing I can point to for having the lead with 4 minutes left and a great chance to win is coaching.
I'm sorry Roy, just double checkin, is that a stat thats correlated with having the ball with the lead in the 4th quarter.?
At the very least have Tannehill roll out, I get all the "cuts the field in half" theory but he would also have the option to run if a lane was open. Picking up 9 at that point wouldn't have been a piece of cake but a designed run call there was useless. And when Tannehill threw the ball away the previous play under pressure that was not a designed roll out, so don't use that as a reference.
Whether he said it or not it would have been obvious he didn't trust the QB. And why would he? He is 0 for 9 at closing out games including turning it over twice in that situation. On that drive he was playing terribly. And whether he purposely meant to deflect or not it kind of worked. Philbin took most of the heat. The team rallied and destroyed the Bears. So whether it was calculated or a lucky accident he should learn from it and try to do things like that more.
Hmmm....Rothlesberger...Luck...Wilson..Flacco...Newton...Romo...Stafford....all qbs in the playoffs who can make a play in that situation and all have excellent escapability presence and talent. Those third and 9's all out blitzes will only get worse..we better have a better recipe than running the football.
Remember the 2nd and 9 play? James didn't even get a finger on Matthews, there was a free runner up the A gap between Satele and Pouncey, RT barely had time to throw the ball away. He'd already gotten sacked on the pass play before that. The pass pro was leaking badly, the idea that we'd go out and execute perfectly, which is what'd take on 3rd and 9 vs another blitz, is little far fetched, no? Realistically, the chances of a sack, inc, int, etc were just as if not more likely than a conversion.
For the offense its the four minute drill situations where your goal is to simply run out the clock rather than score more points.
This is taboo around here at this point...it's really not in the repertoire of the Qb or the coordinator..
The means you will go to CONSTANTLY blame Tannehill and go out of your way to find excuses for this defense or the HC never ceases to amaze me....even to come up with some convoluted scheme or plan that may explain a mistake that either made. Maybe RT should've thrown a pick six, just to put the heat on himself, instead of the "D" that gave up the winning TD. LOL So anything that Philbin stated about being nervous is spun into a good thing? That's why we beat the Bears? So the team rallied because of the queasy statement?
How bout the two times in two different games we had a chance to be very aggressive and go for an early kill....the situations were 1st and 5 after penalties put us in such a great down and distance in the opponents territory...what do you think we ran RG?
Thank you, I knew that and man is that stat ugly and was glaringingly obvious throughout the year... Anyone???. Bueller? Blame it all in the oline I suppose...sheeeeeee$ I put that on the coordinator and qb as much...make a freain play on your own to convert damn it.
Pretty much every aspect of the team failed at some point or another during the Green Bay game, not to mention our opponent was clutch and made some great plays down the stretch. To me, there are too many flaws to point the finger at any one particular person or group. The offense couldn't stay on the field. The play-calling was suspect. The execution was lousy. We had a special teams failure. The defense gave up a long TD drive to lose the game. We had a chance to recover a fumble. We had a flukey play by the sideline that could've gone either way. To me, the Green Bay game has been picked apart too much. The evidence could probably support any conclusion at this point.
I don't understand, it's a stat that depicts ineptitude in crucial sitatuons..there's no defense to blame bro?
I'm not saying we shouldn't have passed or called a roll out, those are decent options too, but on 3rd and 9 lets face it our chances are slim no matter what we do. The Packers aren't stupid, they're not likely to allow a roll out to break contain and they have HOF OLBs. We don't have DJs wet dream, a QB who excels in extending plays and creating off the scramble, especially vs a team with edge rushers like GB. We don't have WRs who excel in getting open quickly or creating after the catch, especially vs press man coverage. That's what wins for you in that spot. Obviously you you wanted a more aggressive call but cmon, you can't tell me there's not a credible case for playing if safe.
Okay, I'm confused; you are for or against Rizzi? I am against. Yeah, along w/ the O not getting another 1st down and the D not stopping them on that drive the punt coverage really screwed us there. I don't know exactly but it gave up between 15-20 yards. Ugh.
Imo we need WRs better suited to the style of pass game we run. None of them are quick twitch, beat a CB at the LOS and create separation quickly types. None of them excell after the catch. None of them are good at making contested 50/50 catches. It's a limited group. You already know RTs weaknesses so I won't go there
this is not an accurate characterization of me lol.. I will agree 3rd and 9 is not the time to call a rollout, however you simp,y have to attempt anything but an off tackle run... How bout a qb draw..lol
Nonsense, the Wr corps from Wallace to Landry are quick twitch, we can debate Bline not b/c he is white more b/c he is a route runner and footwork player with great long speed. That is a reach
I'm in favor of, keep in the point of ST is to make the plays you should make, kick makeable FG's, hit great punts..that is the base level. Move up the food chain and ST should be making impact plays..in a positive direction. INOW, okay my unit can effect games, now how do I keep my unit from messing up games? Reaction is better than inaction.
I will agree that as a unit it is a bit limited unit in that regard..but what are gonna do, get rid of everyone but landry?... Edit..agree with padre, Hartline is the only one I wanna get rid of.
That was directed at RoyMiami. It sure does depict ineptitude...do not disagree. I just have a problem with Roy citing that ineptitude while closing his eyes COMPLETELY to Philbin or the defense...EVER! I am 100% in agreement with you that if RT would incorporate his legs, even remotely more than he does, he would be able to carry this team on his shoulders and elevate his play to "elite". I think he left a lot of plays on the field with his reluctance to run...very frustating. I still think he is the answer though.
Landry fits the bill on all of that, but ideally, with Tannehill at QB, you'd want all three guys to fit that bill. You'd want a Landry type as the possession receiver, a Welker/Tavon Austin type in the slot, and a guy who's sudden and elusive in the sort area, but is also fast enough to go long, in the downfield role -- a TY Hilton/Jeremy Maclin type. Obviously the team isn't going to have the quality of those players at all three of those positions, but those are the sorts of prototypes to pursue if the team is going to go with Tannehill in my opinion.
Looking back, were you saying to yourself " I hope we run it here" ? I`m not criticizing but I`m just curious if you were dead set against a pass before the play was called? I thought a pass, of some sort, was a no-brainer.
I sure would. At some point you have to recognize what kind of supporting cast best suits your QB, and the sooner the better.
3-6-8 are the reasons we are watching teams like Baltimore in the playoffs today, I still will watch every game in its entirety...but I still believe especially if 6 doesn't happen we are better than a few of these teams.
The thing that bugs me about the "queasy" situation is that people keep focusing on that instead of the fact that if Cortland Finnegan makes a simple tackle we win the game.
Coz I get a peaceful, queasy feeling...and I know we can't get a first down...coz the QB is already....on the ground...
Such a useless stat, when you consider how many LEADS the defense has surrendered with very little time on the clock.
Ummm...Landry literally does all those things. With all my supposed "hatred" of Wallace, I think he did a lot of that this year, also.
In the heat of the moment I wants to see the kill shot but in hindsight there are good cases for pass or run. Otoh there is no defending a 23 yard punt by Fields or not protecting the sideline the way Finnegan did.
