I'm out on Tannehill

After reading many posts, I think you are wrong and they can be categorized like that. Their reasoning is what doesn't make sense. They look at the fact that his numbers improve.... which yes is a good thing. But almost every other qb's #'s are improving because of the rules, not because of increased skill.


The problem is I don't believe we will ever get where we need to with him. I believe he can make us an above average team, but never a team that competes year after year. And I don't want that. I want to be a team that has a chance, that can compete for the superbowl. And unless Tannehill changes those things I listed, that will never be the case. And after 3 seasons, so far not so good. QB's need to progress at a faster rate in this day and age, they are set up for it by the league. The league wants this.

Regardless of the protection.

 

What we know is we have a QB that will take us as far as week 17 every year! Woo Hoo!

 

I do have to give him props for standing there like a statue and taking a beating. No one can question his toughness.

 

Which rules have changed since Tannehill's rookie season?

 

Do you have any other information of what we know like....That our OL can get us to week 17? What about our LB's? Don't forget about our WR's? RB's? Wow, almost forgot about our coaches? Can they all get us to week 17? WOO HOO!

 

You must have never heard of the expression "'Team Y' will only go as far as 'Variable X' will take us". I.E., The Famous Flames would only go as far as James Brown would take them..

We run a PASS ORIENTED OFFENSE meaning The Miami Dolphins will only go as far as Ryan Tannehill will take them. He is the LEADER and has LEAD us to his furthest point of WEEK 17. Your statement acts like RT17 is in role where hes just another guy on the team, he is our main ingriedient, he is the noodles to our spaghetti, without the noodles you just have sauce/gravy on a plate. Believe me, I wish we could turn him into part of the gravy/sauce by switching to a power run scheme/offense that way he doesn't have to be the noodles anymore, because he has shown no ability to take us further then week 17 (FACT).

 

I understand that, My question was do you know yet if we have The OL, RB's, WR's etc. to get us past week 17. You seem to have come to a conclusion on our QB already...What about the other groups?

 

Listen, last year it was the same issues, this year its literally the same thing going into the offseason (we need OL, WR's, RB's) at what point does it become the QB's job to help develop/inspire these guys to play better? Peyton, Tom, Drew, Luck, Ben, etc., all inspire/develop talent to be better, yet you guys wanna act like RT17 is a top ten yet this guy once again NEEDS talent imported to the team, the GREAT QB's DEPORT good players then DEVELOP/INSPIRE more talent...

 

Is it not possible that we keep having to acquire more players because our player acquisition has just been poor for years?

Also - when did QBs become responsible for developing other players? That's what we pay a coaching staff for.

 

When did I say he was a top 10 guy? I asked you since you came to the conclusion that our QB can get us only to week 17, what week can YOU conclude the rest of our teams units can get us? Who are you guys that you keep saying...you know..you guys want to act stuff?

 

Oh Please, it's on record that the day after Pierre Garcon was drafted, he got a call from Peyton the next day because he wanted to work on running routes/timing, the GREAT QB's do this. You guys love to give RT17 all the credit after a pointless win (go check out the Vikes vs Dolphins gameday thread) but when we lose, it's on everyone else..

This offseason is like the movie "Groundhogs Day" as it's just like last offseason because OUR QB doesn't inspire his players around him to play better.

 

Maybe not you, but theres people on here that throw around fake/fabricated stats that makes RT17 a 'top 5' QB... Its quite sad.

 

So, the drafting and coaching staff has been all good, but because Tannehill is a sub standard coach we can't make the playoffs?

I'm not sold on the dude either, but blaming lack of player development on him seems a bit much.

 

Can you guys do me a favor, and stop quoting Shamegame? It's nice having him on ignore, but when I see his quotes, I want to respond.

LOL

 

That's fine, because RT17 isn't a GREAT QB so you are right, why should RT17 take that upon himself considering he probably doesn't have that ambition to be a GREAT QB. Because the GREAT QB's take it upon themselves to make sure the protection is good, and make sure his WR/TE's are running the correct routes and playing their hearts out, and making sure the RB's are hitting the holes with tenacity because GREAT QB's want to win and make the playoffs and will accept nothing short of that. I don't believe RT17 fits into this category (yet, or if ever) as he's just a substandard QB.

 

I wish I could respond to you but I have no idea what you said.

 

this thread



man i just wish we had a game to talk about this week

 

Apparently a whole bunch we don't know about.

 

I wish we had some people posting who actually were capable of coherent thought and not 17 year old emotional knee jerks reactions! - on all sides!

 

Didn’t read this entire thread, enough to get the general sense of it all. I can see both sides of the story, but not enough from the anti-Tannehill side to even consider he isn’t fit as franchise QB. Yet. He does need better pocket awareness, he should take off and run a little more, he does struggle with the deep ball, but it all starts up front right?

2014 PFF Focus Offensive Line Rankings:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/

IMO he's shown excellent progress each year and even his command of Lazor's offense has been better and better. He has exceeded 4k yards with an great completion percentage and a great TD/Int ratio. He lacks the deep YPA but that could be a factor of the offense as a whole, specifically the OL and the yield that can be attained from their performance.

Tannehill is a.ok in my books and I look forward to the offense with another year of continuity. I didn't mean to sound like Ross there, if so, my apologies. I also have a feeling that the offense will be opened up next year, if the final three games are any indication of the shift in philosophies after getting blasted by league pundits and the media for lack of deeper (15+) routes, not necessarily just the 9 route.

 

I think Tannehill is pretty good and will be good enough to win with when surrounded by a quality defense and running game. I do think he is a little robotic and not really a "natural QB." I felt the same way about Henne, but the difference is that Tannehill is more athletically talented and has steadily improved. One of the things that concerned me about Henne when we drafted him was that in 4 years of college he never improved and he has similarly been the same guy throughout his NFL career. Tannehill, on the other hand, has improved every year since he started in college. What puzzled me when Tannehill came out was that it took him so long to win the starting job in college even though he was clearly much more physically talented than the guys who beat him out those first few years. My theory is that Sherman felt that he didn't have the same natural QB instincts as those other guys. But when we drafted him, Sherman presumably felt there was enough there and enough potential for improvement to make him worthy of a high first round pick (assuming we wouldn't have drafted him if Sherman felt otherwise). I still think he doesn't have great natural QB instincts, but he has improved and should continue to do so, at least up to a point. He may never be a truly elite QB, but he can be very good and his career trajectory suggests he is in his way there.

 

Lol, don't tell Deej we had the worst o-line, he will just say Tannehill made them look bad staying in the pocket.

 

Great post. Couldn't agree more.

 

Deej is a good dude, he has is own standards on QBs, I disagree in a major way but there's no denying he sticks to his evals.

 

Exactly lol

 

Does anybody know if the ignore list has a limit? Mine is getting so full!

 

I can honestly say I haven't seen this guy post anything pertaining to the Dolphins in quite some time, its basically all troll comments that he wants people to respond to.

 

I see this thread always dropping but someone will bring it back to the top with a troll comment, its quite comedic at this point, basically what speed just did.

 

it was a good thread though. lots of good civil discussions. The funny thing is that djphinfan posts his thoughts, and I'm sure he wants nothing more to be wrong, yet everyone attacks him for having some concerns. Negative thoughts about QB are forbidden

 

I am not contradicting any of that stuff, and normally I agree with him to at least some degree but he will never be happy with Tannehill unless he gets out of the pocket, ignoring the fact that Tannehill barely HAS a pocket long enough to climb it. And most of the time when he does tey to navigate the pocket pressure from all sides collapses on him.

The concerns about Tannehill in the pocket are unrealistic. Ryan has gotten significantly better in the pocket even as our line has actually gotten WORSE.

 

I think the problem is that Tannehill, despite being athletic, just isn't a scrambling QB... he doesn't have the lateral agility and elite level pocket awareness for that... and the faster everyone realizes that the better. He is getting better every year as a pocket QB, so let's just focus on that...

 

Agreed. Tannehill definitely is not as mobile as Wilson, Rodgers, Romo, or Luck. He does well on the read option, when he keeps it, because it's essentially one cut and go. Someone compared him awhile ago to Hartline, and I think that's pretty apt. Except he doesn't fall down when someone looks at him.

 

I am really tired of disagreement being characterized as an attack. There are posters on both sides that do this. Disparaging an opinion is not the same as a personal attack. For example, me saying "it's foolish to think so" is not the same as me saying "you are a fool".

I mainly bring this up because I don't want this thread to die until crow is eaten next year.

 

I agree with you, however there were many that did attack his viewpoint.

 

Yes, that is fine. Attacking his viewpoint is fine.


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Truth hurts, sorry you can't deal with it.

i don't want a team that is "above average", and barely playoff material. And that's all we will be with Tannehill. If you can settle for that... fine... but not me.