the fact that they are doing this just goes to show you that all this time that I've been taking about the problem here was finally taken serious...how bout that...I mean they could of easily just put lipstick on the pig, and made it pretty, but going thru all this trouble and bringing the seats closer to the field tells me that the issues were recognized, and all the folks over the years telling me it doesn't matter can go eat poopie.
Does anybody information on the timetable of everything? The articles I have been reading have been saying that some of the rennovations will be completed prior to the 2015 season, and the rest prior to the 2016 season. What will be ready by the 2015 season and what will they put off until the next offseason? By the looks of it, based on all the pics, they are doing it all this offseason. They are re-doing the bowl, and it looks like they will also be putting up the 4 video screen this offseason. Is is the semi roof/canape that will wait for next offseason or is that going up this offseason as well?
everything inside the venue will be done by the start of the season, the roof and other esthetic things on the exterior will be done by the following season.
if they made it steeper (rake) and raised the field then that would make the seats further from the field. since they are not messing with the top row I assume that basically they are gutting the lower bowl and increasing the rake. they would need to lower the field to add rows at the bottom and get them closer. of course they may go the other way and flatten the rake to get them closer which would make it more difficult to see and less likely to keep the crowd noise in.
looks to me in the top photo that they are lowering the field. that would make sense to get the steeper rake and add seats to the bottom rows to get them closer to the field.
Doesn't sound like much, but has to be that way in order to be able to accommodate soccer events. The roof is going to make the biggest impact. That thing is going to hold in so much sound.
I'm assuming the left would be the replacement for most of the seats in the stadium, the middle would be the "premium" outdoor seats(under the booth section) and the other ones are indoor.
Yeh, thats how it looks and sounds. I tweeted Tom Garfinkle is the new rake would be more or less then the old stadium, and he replied with the pic Colorado included above. The lower rake will push the seats out closer to the sideline by 24 ft, Im guessing a steeper rake would have increased the distance.
Wow was just reading about Gillette stadium. the 68,000 seat stadium had a price tag of $325 million. Thats a brand spankey new stadium. We are retro designing ours and it costs more now. Thats crazy. Gillette has a good atmosphere, there is def a home field advantage there.
They are doing a lot of work, but in order to get the rake and the look and the closeness everyone wants, they would have to excavate and lower the bowl. Just not sure that is feasible. Especially to get it done in 8 months during the off season.
Totally different economic situations. I work in engineering, and I know that out here in Colorado the cost of concrete has just about tripled in the past year. Lots of small firms went under during the recession, leaving just the big boys. They get to be choosy with their projects and that is driving up cost.
yea the steeper rake would be better but like I had mentioned above they would have to lower the field to get the lower, newer seats closer. the only thing that will help make the home field advantage mentioned in the pic will be when they add the roof now.
Aside from being closer to the field, it looks like they are adding 7-8 rows in the lower bowl. I don't see how those two additions wouldn't help make more of a homefield advantage. It may not be as pronounced a change as a steep rake and closer to the field, but it is clearly better than it has been IMO.
That doesn't make any sense to me D1.. How could lowering the field bring the seats closer to the field?, regardless of the different pitch, your lowering the field, moving it a further distance that it already is, heightening the field will bring the field closer to everything in the venue, from the top row to the field would be closer if they field is elevated?
Steeper rake, and lowering the bowl means there are more 100sec seats and they would be pretty much on top of the field. Raising the bowl, you lose seats.
Wait where did you find that, and when they say it's going to be 24 feet closer do they mean literally the whole section will be moved 24 feet closer than it currently sits, or do they mean the rake or pitch will bring the seats 24 feet. Closer to the field.?
That is from twitter, from Tom Garfinkel. The photo is showing that with the new rake, there will be seats 24 feet closer on both sidelines (I assume).
The slope of the new sections along both sidelines will be flatter. The field is staying at the same level. Because the slope is flatter, they can fit more seats closer to the field, while maintaining the height requirement to "protect" the players. This puts more people closer to the field in those areas, but less density than if they did a few different things. So more people in this scenario does not equate to more noise. That will come from the roof.
if you invert a pyramid and then run a horizontal line across the two angles to represent the field you will see what I mean. if you raise the field the lines become further apart. if you lower the field they get closer. doesn't matter much since it looks as though they a re flattening the rake and not increasing it anyway. I think what they should do is blow out the corner sections all together under the new HD scoreboards and make the promenades that section was talking about. then they could literally gut the upper and lower bowls adjusting them closer to the field that way. I would love to see the rake much closer to Arrowhead, that keeps the fans and the noise literally right on top of the field. that place gets loud as hell.
Exactly, their not putting in new preset concrete sections for sh&$s and giggles, there's a mission to get the stands 24 feet closer to the field, so in the most layman possible terms could someone explain where that 24 feet comes from, because if there are 40,000(just estimating) people in the lower bowl who all will be 24 feet closer to the field than it will be a lot more of an advantage then the way it currently is.. So to sum it up...we're rebuilding the lower bowl to get all those seats 24 feet closer to the field...that's sound great to me, and it's not just the roof that will provide an advantage, that lower bowl construction is much more important.
forget it, your talking Chinese here..my bad...where does raising the bowl and losing seats come into play?
if you look at the picture from Garfinkle you see the two different representations of the current and new seats. the flatter orange angle is the new rake and seats. the white is the current rake. flattening the rake in this case gets seats closer but will allow for the noise to escape and make it harder to see the field from those seats.
You're not looking at the picture correctly. Look at the greyed out area of the picture. It shows the old rake, new rake, old wall and new wall. Forget the photo of the stadium in the background that's just for show and has nothing to do with info in grey (& orange).
your telling me that the new preset concrete being put in is going to be flatter than what currently exists?..... So your saying that their only going to be adding rows to the bottom of the section and those rows are the seats that will be closer to the field?
right but that wont happen until the following season. I have a feeling next season teh stadium is going be very dead sounding.
yes. In that photo, the new slope of the section is represented by the orange. By making the slope closer to 0, you can see how they get closer to the field, while maintaining their height requirements. The important part of all of it is that there will be more seats than before and those seats will be closer to the field. Those people concerned about creating a 2nd orange bowl will be disappointed at this step because the seats won't feel like they are on top of the field. The canopy will trap in the extra generated noise and the home field advantage/atmosphere that everyone wants should be achieved.
Tom Garfinkle sent that out after I asked him what the difference in the rake would be. Hes been very accessible DJ, replied really fast to my tweet: Tom Garfinkel (@TomGarfinkel) tweeted at 10:11 AM on Thu, Jan 15, 2015: “@BryanMinehart: @TomGarfinkel Tom, will the new rake on the lower bowl be more or less then the old bowl.” This... http://t.co/DUB2AzEnZr (https://twitter.com/TomGarfinkel/status/555744178144301056?s=03) with all the questions you have you should tweet him some of them, or if you arent on Twitter, if you have any you want asked Ill send them to him....
yes and no. if you look at the picture again you will see the orange line as the new seats. they are flattening the rake on the very bottom section to increase the distance to get more seats closer to the field.
I'm looking at the picture, the Orange outline is not flatter, it's iver the top of the old and it's at a better grade...the old is at a certain degree, and the Orange outline is at a steeper degree, steeper degree is better, steeper gets the fans closer to the field, it's def not flatter.