Jeff Ireland Joining Saints Personnel Department

You're counting Jordan, Taylor and Davis as hits?

And Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Matthews might all be gone this offseason.

And out of the rest there is only one draft pick that is a star, and it's a frickin Center.

 

Sean Smith, Koa Misi, Brandon Marshall, Jamar Taylor, Chad Henne. All decent picks. The only really bad picks were Merling and White.

 

Jamar Taylor and Chad Henne are decent picks now?

holy moly

 

It's a draft. Most players wil fail to make a big impact no matter who's picking them.

 

A QB taken in the second round typically becomes a career backup or worse. QBs with starter potential usually go in the 1st. Pretty basic stuff, frankly.

Taylor has shown me he can play, he just needs to stay healthy.

 

A lot of very well regarded GMs have missed badly on a lot of 2nd round picks:

Ted Thompson

Jerel Worthy
Casey Hayward
Mike Neal
Brian Brohm
Patrick Lee
Terrence Murphy


Bill Belichick

Tavon Wilson
Ras-I dowling
Jermaine Cunningham
Ron Brace
Darius Butler
Terrence Wheatley
Chad Jackson
Marquise Hill
Bethel Johnson

etc.

2nd round misses are pretty common and there's nothing really unique or special about the 2nd round to single it out.

 

Hey Randy Mueller and Rick Spielman still have jobs. Teams are allowed to make mistakes.

 

An ex - Dolphin took a sh*t this morning...oh wait, that should also be in another forum.

 

Yeah but you'd have to actually do some homework to know any of that. Talking outta ur hind parts is so much easier and less time consuming.

 

Bzzzzt. In a thread about fired GM's becoming GM's again...........you all forgot Randy Mueller (Saints GM) who was GM here for as many years here as Spielman was.....1 year. Remember both were the puppets of Wanny and Saban before taking over the reigns and flaming out.

 

Naw but you give Taylor and Jordan some time, and you and Lauchpad Mcquack will learn why your guys idea of him never getting a job again (if he wants one) is foolish.

 

Its too bad he did not get a GM job with one of our division rivals.

 

Every example is from about 10 years ago.

And there are only 3 that have been pointed. There were 3 retread head coaches hired this cycle alone.

 

Lol, Jordan...

 

Because Chip Kelly wouldn't have taken him at number 4. And you know more about him than Kelly, naturally, lmfao.

 

Move the thread. Ireland isn't a Dolphin any more.

 

Mando just tweeted that Ireland was at the Senior Bowl with a Dolphins credential on.....

Not sure if serious, but sooooooooo Dolphins if it is...

 

Oddly I don't know that Belichick has an abnormally great record as a pure drafter. I think his GM skills largely come from trading low picks for higher picks in subsequent years ( Pats always seem to have multiple 2nd/3rd rounders each year ), and managing the roster/cap...I shudder to think if he were paired with a great talent evaluator. But luckily, his ego would never allow it

 

The rubber will hit the road when we see how Jordan does under a different coaching staff.

 

I love how people s*** on Jordan because of his slow start. I have a feeling him and Taylor are gonna contribute for a team in this league for a long time. And if/when they do, I'll be waiting. For war.

 

The problem with Jeff Ireland is that he was almost always saddled with a bad HC/QB combo. He relied on Henne for too long, then he got saddled with Joe Philbin. Had Pennington stayed healthy, things would likely be looking much different at this point.

 

I was laughing at your list, 90% of those guys are average at best and Jordan has done nothing to merit his draft position.

 

I'm hopefull.

But to try to fit his name in as one to boost Jeffs credentials is not wise at this point.

 

And in fact, only 82 of the 146 (56%) players selected in the first round between 2008 and 2012 started at least half of their team's games between the years of 2010 and 2014.

So, even setting aside the first two years of a player's career for "development," it's still the case that only a little more than half of a team's first round draft picks are going to become consistent starters in the NFL.

When you move to the second round, that figure drops to 39% (56 of 145 players), and when you move to the third round, it plummets to 26% (42 of 160 players). In the fourth round it drops to an insane 9% (15 of 160 players).

There are big misconceptions about the expectations of players drafted highly in the NFL. People tend to think that a "day-one pick" or a "high pick" should equal success, whereas the data indicate that it's largely a crapshoot. Even a third-round pick has but a one in four chance of becoming a consistent starter in the league.

 

The first overall pick from the Chiefs they are also calling a bust. It wasn't a great draft at the top, that's why the price was low for the trade. I'm as disappointed as any Dolfan with his start, but to not see the potential in Jordan, well that's just not Chip Kelly. And sorry sir, I believe in Chip Kelly, wish he was our guy, not quesy. And for the other "90%", well we just simply disagree on that, and probably always will, until Tannedank wins a superbowl lol.

 

It's not about that. It's about realizing that Jeff left Hickey with a good cap situation, AND AN OVERALL GOOD ROSTER. That's why I named all his contributions that aren't "busts". Not to say they're "hits" but he did build a lot of a roster that was beating a good San Diego team, 37-0 going into the 4th quarter. That you can not argue.

 

I hope Irish gets the Saints job. Maybe a viable trading partner to unload some of this overpaid underperforming check-cashers......

 

While not the greatest example, Charlie Casserly went from the Redskins GM job to the Houston GM job. So it does happen.

 

No, the problem with Jeff Ireland was that he was content leaving gaping holes on an individual unit every year.

He was a solid talent evaluator but he was poor at team building. He's a head scout who never evolved his focus to a GM's responsibilities.

 

He also tended to select players who were more blue-collar guys with limited upside. Not too many playmakers.

 

This. We've lacked game-changing players in this team for quite a long time... we haven't had guys who can just take over a game, despite being in position to select a few over the past drafts.

 

It's not about "playmakers" it's about winning games. That's what people don't get. The Patriots would run the ball 100% of the time if that is what's needed to win. Ireland built the foundation of a team that can win for a long time. You will all learn this in the coming years if you can't see it now already. Not saying we're guaranteed to dethrone the Patsies and challenge for the afc crown for years to come, but show me another roster or team with as much potential as ours for the future. Not too many.

 

Lol you're really reaching with like half these names.

 

I dunno, Jones, Davis, Smith, Clay, Gates, Egnew, Tannehill, Miller, Matthews, all had playmaker upsides to them when drafted. (Not saying they were all good or successful picks, before people freak the hell out, just at the time they were drafted they had playmaker potential).

I think the majority of his successful picks were the ones that turned out to be blue collar types, but I also think that's true of most GMs.

 

Dion Jordan, Ryan Tannehill, Mike Pouncey, Jared Odrick, Vontae Davis, Jake Long...

Seems like a balanced group IMO.