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Dolphins Trying to Extend Ryan Tannehill's Contract

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Tannephins, Jan 22, 2015.

Do you agree that Ryan Tannehill's contract should be extended?

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  1. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Were you speaking of the guy in your signature?
     
  2. Fin-Omenal

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    I truly hope he isn't basing his demands in those neighborhoods...
     
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  3. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Neither do I.

    But his job isn't to give the Dolphins a fair deal. Its to get as much money as possible. We have seen first hand how overpaid FAs can be on the open market. Ryan Tannehill could easily get top-5 QB money if he were an UFA today.
     
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  4. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I dont agree. Most teams would give him an A. Dalton or C-Kap type contract. Thats a little far fetched, your putting RT17 on a pedestal here.
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

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    That's debatable imo, maybe a team like the Raiders make that outrageous offer but I'm not sure anyone else would. Ofcourse, all it takes is one team to decide to do it.

    I wouldn't offer north of 16m for now, if he does play at a top teir level there is always the franchise tag.
     
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  6. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Most people are being unrealistic in what they hope Tannehill would sign for and they think he should want to give us a deal based off of past results. I think Tannehill believes he will become a great QB so he's not about to sign any desperation contract. He knows as well as we do that if we want to keep him we'll be forced to pay him at least $16 million guaranteed in 2015 under the 5th year option and even more than that under the franchise tag in 2016. The starting point would have to be $17-20 million a year with like $50-60 million guaranteed.

    I say wait. Exercise the 5th year option, get this cheap $4 million dollar season in the books without paying an extra dime then try to get a team friendly extension done this time next year. Plus, in all likelihood a new regime will be in charge this time next year, let them make their own decisions on the QB position.
     
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  7. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    If they wait to re-sign him, one of two things can happen...both not so good...1) he has a bang up year and the new cost for him is $25M range...or 2) he has a bad year and we've paid $15M for someone we're not going to keep...

    I think they re-sign him to a new contract to avoid either of those situations... His stats prove he's worth keeping. What he has proven is that despite crappy teams and crappy situations around him, he gets the job done...Is he Brady or Manning, no not at this point, but he isbetter than 20 other QBs out there...
     
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  8. Stringer Bell

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    Is $20M for a QB really outrageous in today's NFL? Especially for a guy as young and marketable as Ryan Tannehill? When was the last time a young QB with Tannehill's ability was an UFA?

    Agreed.
     
  9. shamegame13

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    My fear is he turns out to be a Cutler clone, always has good stats but can never put a team over. He has shown zero signs to me of a 'winning' QB, and there's a lot of QBs with worse situations then RT17.
     
  10. Fin-Omenal

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    Is he marketable though? He seems quite reserved in general...
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

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    Giving him a long-term contract isn't really that problematic. Under the new CBA, veteran contracts are essentially on a year to year basis.

    The real question here isn't whether you'll end up stuck with him. The concern is that when you pay a QB $20M, you need him to carry your team. If he doesn't do that, you aren't going to be successful. He will be taking up a lot of resources, which inhibits the ability to put talent around him.
     
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  12. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Yes. He fits the all-american stereotype. He also has an attractive wife. He doesn't get into trouble. Most importantly, he is a young and talented QB, that has had at least some marginal success. He would make a lot of fan-bases excited for their season.
     
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  13. Ohio Fanatic

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    apples-to-oranges IMO. Tannehill has no character issues, works hard and has gotten better each season. Cutler has issues, hasn't gotten better (although he had a better starting point) and most importantly has done less with more. You could make the counterargument that Tannehill hasn't overwhelmingly done more with less, but if he had, we wouldn't be having this debate, it would be a slam dunk decision.

    I believe Tannehill can be signed for the 15-17 million/year range. That seems like a lot of money, but it's 2nd tier QB money. And if he keeps progressing, it's going to look like a bargain in 2-3 years.
     
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  14. shamegame13

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    I was about to say the same thing... I dont think i've ever seen him on any commercial like i've seen Kap, Cam, Luck, Russell, RG3. . Most people still dont know who our QB is in my area (Philly), that's like the exact opposite of marketable.
     
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  15. Larryfinfan

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    Seriously, look as his surrounding team/coaching and tell me that Brady, Manning (both) don't have much more going for them... It may not be what you want to hear as a fan, but it's pretty spot on...Ross has made shambles of this organization and it affects the play on the field...The OL has been horrendous for as long as I can remember or at least since JJ was here. He adapted very well to a new offense, but it did take some time, as it would with any QB to come around... I think we, as fans, look at W's and L's only. Equate the stats to the solid, stable, and well run organizations that are/have been behind guys like Brady, Brees, Manning, etc and you get a different picture...Look at Cutler...he's gone from a golden boy to a chump and the difference...the organization he's been under... You could easily say the same for Thill...
     
  16. resnor

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    That has more to do with the team not winning. How many commercials have you seen Cam Wake in, and he's arguably one of the best players in the league. If the Dolphins were in the playoffs, or won the SuperBowl, I think there would be plenty of people wanting Tannehill in their commercial.
     
  17. shamegame13

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    Manning MADE the Colts in Indianapolis what they are today, before him it was a terrible organization. Same thing for Brees in NO. Guess what were still irrelevant in Miami with RT17.
     
  18. shamegame13

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    That's pure speculation as we haven't won anything with RT17 nor is it guaranteed we ever will.
     
  19. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    Jay Cutler is QB purgatory.
     
  20. adamprez2003

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    Awesome news. Do it now, make it cap friendly for the next five years nd you save yourself millions now rather than waiting another year when he can demand even more. Props to the front office on this one
     
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  21. resnor

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    It's not speculation. We haven't won, and therefore our players aren't sought after for commercials. It's not speculation that players on teams that win Super Bowls are sought after for commercials.
     
  22. DcDolfan420

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    All that matters is what he could command on the open market. Top 5 is obviously possibly, most likely probable if he continues to progress the way he has. Ireland hit that one out of the park baby, if you don't agree you'll learn soon enough.
     
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  23. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Polian came in the year before Manning did and Dungy the year Manning was drafted...that stabilized the organization...That's not taking anything away from what Manning did, but Polian/Dungy/Smith were as much a factor as anything there. Brees came in when Peyton did, again...stabilizing the organization... Hickey hasn't proven to be a Polian yet...and factor in a meddling owner, we have a recipe for non-stable organization...and it looks like we'll likely be 'starting' over again...
     
  24. DevilFin13

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    Yeah it's a risk he doesn't continue improving. But it's also a risk to have him improve, have to sign him to more money than you might be able to get him for right now, and then have less of a chance of keeping/acquiring good players to help him out. I think it's worth the risk to get a longer term deal done as long as the 2016 cap hit is lower than what it would be if we stay on the current route and pay him that $15m.
     
  25. VanDolPhan

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    Ryan's going to get a contract worth roughly $16 million with about 22% (higher then Dalton, less then Flacco) of the total value of the deal guaranteed. Right now 16 teams are spending over $15 million on QB's for 2015 and that doesn't even include FA QB's

    $16 million would put him at the Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer level. It would keep him below the Alex Smith/Tony Romo deals.

    You wait until the end of this year...it goes up to Joe Flacco range imo because he'll have $15 million guaranteed as is. He could play the year out on that and then sign for another $22 or so million guaranteed which isn't the way you want it done. Not to mention the constant articles and debates on getting him signed all that time.
     
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  26. Piston Honda

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    Jim "playoffs?" Mora was the HC when Peyton was drafted.
     
  27. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Your crazy....17 has gotten measurably better ever single year hes been in the league. He really improved this season, all the while learning a new offense. There are not many teams out there that wouldnt want Ryan Tannehill, look at his skill set, his size..Ill back Stringer here.

    Oh and hes not a huge Ryan Tannehill fan either....he knows sports contracts etc. better then most ..so, no offense but hes not talking out of his *** when he says this.
     
  28. vt_dolfan

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    Hes nothing remotely like Cutler. For one, hes the consummate team mate. He's a great face of the franchise. If you say hes shown you zero signs of a winning QB, then I cant take you very seriously.
     
  29. vt_dolfan

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    But its a much lessened risk that he has progressively improved year after year, behind horrible Olines. Learning new offenses. Hes never NOT improved....
     
  30. Vengeful Odin

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    I always like it when the organization gets proactive (it doesn't happen all that often), and signing your QB long-term is a smart move, especially if you believe he can be the guy, and you look at what's out there in Free Agency and available via trade. Cutler? Foles? No thank you.

    Smart move by the Phins. For once.
     
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  31. djphinfan

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    I'm cool with signing him to a contract friendly deal, and continuing to add a qb in the draft you like.
     
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  32. scotty_irnbru

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    I think you have to sign him up now. It just makes sense. We can go round the houses on tannehills upside and downside but ultimately he's likely better than any FA available, we're unlikely to draft in the first 5 any time soon, 2nd round qbs are 2nd round qbs for a reason. Yes there are exceptions and yes the draft is a 50/50 shot but RT is still a better bet.
     
  33. vt_dolfan

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    Exactly... I dont care if he looks like second coming of Dan Marino.. We gotta keep grooming QBs
     
  34. jdang307

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    But Cam Wake isn't a QB, and to be blunt isn't white either. JJ Watt is EVERYWHERE right now.

    Cutler's been in a few commercials. But he's made it to the playoffs. I can't remember many Matt Ryan commercials and he's been to a championship game. There may be some, just can't think of any off the top
     
  35. shamegame13

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    Has he won passing category? No
    Has he won a yearly award? No
    Has he lead his team to the playoffs? No
    Has he lead him team to a record over .500? No

    Explain to me what it is he's shown that makes him a winner. Im intrigued to find out. Because all I am aware of is his decent stats which are trending up, and his inability to put up points in the playoff format games at the end of the last two years.
     
  36. LiferYank

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    Yes lets for get the horrible O-line performance the majority of the last two years and the defense ****ting the bed as well.
     
  37. jdang307

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    Other players have dealt with horrible olines.
     
  38. LiferYank

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    Never said that.. Are you claiming the defensive performances at the end of both years did not contribute to the losses?
     
  39. shamegame13

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    Blaming the OL seems to be the easy thing to do. We only drafted and signed like 6 new OL last year but they all sucked too like the 2013 OL.
     
  40. shamegame13

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    Our offense scored 7 total points in the last two games of 2013, are you saying that's acceptable?
     

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