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rumors from the senior bowl...Patrick Willis on the market.?

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  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And for DJ, Id opt for Clay over Cameron. I do believe Cameron is the more talented receiver. I also believe that Clay is the healthier, tougher, more durable and complete player so Id opt for Clay. We cant afford to get worse anywhere and if Camerons only gonna play half a season which may be what you could count on him for, then thats something I wouldnt waste my time with because you'll be starting Sims half the year. Thats not a criticism of Sims, just saying it decreases our depth
     
  2. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    But were also talking about Patrick Willis... One of the best ILB's in past decade, im sure he would adjust just fine to a 4-3. I was also saying that the experience is there, its not like he NEVER played in a 4-3.
     
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  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    All of those are under contract and potential cap cuts except Moore. He won't count unless re-signed.
     
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  4. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Since when did Ireland become Todd's boy? lolololol
     
  5. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    Willis is way too good for the Dolphins to be interested
     
  6. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Personally I think we need to look at drafting a DE early in this years draft to be honest. If we can get a quality DE to help with the pass rush it will help volumes. Unfortunately Wake, no matter how much we love him is getting older. He's not over the hill tomorrow, but we need to start grooming a replacement - and soon. As it doesn't look as Jordan will manage to deliver much. Waiting for hi to prove something this season would be a mistake in my opinion. Draft someone now and groom him for the years ahead. If Jordan all of a sudden shows something then fine we have options regarding what we can do after this year. Otherwise get someone in here right now.

    DT seems like a slightly over valued position in this years draft, I could be wrong but it may be that way. It may be a better value to draft one in round three to four depending on what we do in FA. If we sign someone competent, then have allowed us some time. If not it could very well be looking at back to back defensive draft picks this year. Which while wanted in terms of numbers, is not what I'd like to see with the first two picks.
     
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  7. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Clay should be someone we seriously consider tagging. I know that may sound crazy but really who else would we say we can't lose? Letting Clay walk would be a ****ing unmitigated disasters. It was obvious the guy was not healthy for a good part of the year coming off the late knee surgery. But he came around towards the end and began to contribute steadily to the offense.

    I would dump some contracts and get Caky signed early if we can. He'd be my priority signing out of our own guys. odrick I may value more than some, but part of why I vlaue Jim more than some is because I think Coyle plays him too many snaps a game and also asks him to do things he shouldn't be doing. Odrick is a guy who you let get up the field. Don't ask him to take on double teams, as he is not that guy. If you let hi just get up the field he is a damn effective player.

    But just my two cents.
     
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  8. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Too good for the Dolphins? Is he too good for money?
     
  9. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    I was kidding.... we dont have a very good track record bringing in players worth the money.
     
  10. ToddPhin

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    I don't see anyone on the roster who should prevent us from drafting our disruptive edge-rusher of the future. If the organization wants Dion at SAM, then target Fowler Jr as the weak-side DE of the future. If they want Dion at strong-side DE, then target Vic Beasley as the SAM of the future. I doubt Shane Ray makes it to us so I'm intentionally omitting his name. Olivier Vernon is a FA next year, and even if he weren't, he's not the answer to Cam's future departed production and shouldn't be entering the equation as such, nor serve as a reason to not draft a top edge rusher.
     
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  11. Phoenician Fan

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    I see Wake as a London Fletcher/Brian Waters type athlete. Nobody takes better care of himself than Wake. Sure some of it is genetic, but I wouldn't be surprised if Wake plays at a high level for another 4 years. He may need to cut back on snaps in the future but not that much.
     
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  12. Ohio Fanatic

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    Willis would be pretty risky, but considering the giant hole that is our LB core, it's worth it, as long as the draft pick wouldn't be too high.
    iupati would be great too, but he's going to be too expensive.
     
  13. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    We have enough Caky on this team
     
  14. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    There is always room for Caky. :lol:
     
  15. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    :theman::jump:
     
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  16. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    What we'll do is ship Wallace out and then sign Patrick Willis,
    Then this is what will happen,
    Our defense will become a much stronger unit led by veterans like Willis and Wake. We will be among the defensive leaders in the lead until Willis in week 14 (while in the playoff hunt) blows out his knee.

    Meanwhile...On offense,
    Tannehill has improved his deep ball accuracy during the offseason and it has showed, but some of his new receivers just don't have the speed to get down field and the offense has suffered throughout the year because of it....Still Tannehill has continued to improve and if he only had a speedier option on the outside, the team would be dominating!

    As for Wallace,
    Well after Miami traded him to New England, he immediately connected with Tom Brady and went on to have a stellar season catching 70 passes for 1200 yards and 14 TD's.

    Miami was 8-5 when the Willis injury occured and the defense went all to hell the last three games and we lost all three games and finished 8-8....Against New England, Buffalo, and Baltimore.

    Ahh yes....I can see it now!
     
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  17. JMHPhin

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    I would not pay Suh higher than Watt no way. If someone else wants to go ahead. I think he is a great player but is not worth what jj is.

    I would trade for Willis and move MISI outside and have Jelani, Willis and Misi as my Lbs

    I would resign Clay and stay with Dion and use the money on oline for a starter at RG and depth.
     
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  18. jdang307

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    Yeah I like Cameron. His concussion issues ... Cecil Shorts had the same concerns and seems to have played out of it. It's the devil you know vs.

    I'd try and sign Clay first, but if that fails, Cameron isn't such a bad consolation.
     
  19. Disgustipate

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    "Seems to have played out of it" is a rather questionable medical stance to take on concussions. It's not something you rub some dirt on.
     
  20. Georgia Fin

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    I want to keep Clay period. I also think Lynch could be a pleasant surprise when he is healthy.
     
  21. 77FinFan

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    My expectations for Lynch are pretty much nonexistent. If he proves to be productive as either a blocker or receiver I'll be pleasantly surprised.
     
  22. Georgia Fin

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    As a Georgia Tech fan it pains me to like the Bulldog as well, but the Dawgs get nonstop coverage here and all the guy did was come through for them. By no means do I think he will be a lights out superstar but I do look for him to be a nice late round pickup for us if he can get healthy.
     
  23. djphinfan

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    all he has to be is a nice third tight end that has a well rounded game...I think he could be that.
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I graded Lynch as the 2nd best blocking TE in the 2014 draft. He could at least help our run game lined up as an inline Y.
     
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  25. Ohio Fanatic

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    yep. my hope was that Lynch's ceiling could be another Anthony Fasano. I'd take that in a heartbeat for a backup TE. couple him with Dion Sims, that's definitely some nice extra push on short yardage if Lynch develops.
     
  26. Da 'Fins

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    I would trade for Willis (but not a high pick).

    I would be interested in Iupati - but he has gotten a bit out of shape in the last year and needs to work harder.

    I think trying to replace Wallace this year with a rookie would be a disaster. Miami needs another starter to go alongside Wallace. Forget that Hickey does not like Wallace. Too bad. Get past the "I don't like this player" crap. I hate that with GMs and Coaches. Learn to work with people. Especially if you are the coach.

    But, the cap # on Wallace makes it ridiculous to not want him back. He was a good citizen until the last game and by then the season was over, and there are conflicting reports. Phil bin brings as much drama to the club as these other guys do because he has no clue about people.

    I'd go after another 49er - Crabtree. I don't think he'll garner a huge deal but he's the ideal compliment to a speed WR. He is physical and has talent if he has someone who can get him the football. I also think he'd be rejuvenated in a new place.

    I'd try to trade for Willis (4th round?), sign Iupati and Crabtree (or a similar WR who can start opposite Wallace), then the rest of the needs via draft and lower-level free agency. Last year we landed a good DT for decent but average money; and we landed two starting DBs for minimal money. I think we can go that route again.

    I suspect Wallace will have a big year next year. Getting rid of him this year would be simply another shovel full of dirt removed from the deep dark hole Miami has been digging for the past three years. Ridiculous. But, let him play next year, watch him play great because he knows his cap # will be prohibitive the following year and will be on the market. At the same time getting an actual, bonafide, NFL calibre starting WR opposite Wallace will also help (I don't regard Hartline as that).
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    I'd make them a deal. They can have Mike Wallace and we'll take Patrick Willis.
     
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  28. 77FinFan

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    All day.
     
  29. emocomputerjock

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    Their front office has proven themselves to be colossally stupid, so that might work.
     
  30. Phoenician Fan

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    Lynch may stick another year on the PS if he learns how to long snap. Denney could retire at any time.
     
  31. djphinfan

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    denney is 36 and keeps himself a highly well conditioned athlete..makes plays on special teams as well..
     
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  32. Colmax

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    Jackson? Not quite following you, Deej.
     
  33. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Last year, one of the first things Hickey did was try to sign MLB D'Qwell Jackson after the Browns cut him. He chose Indy instead.
     
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  34. 77FinFan

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    That would make me sad. Love me some Denney.
    Yes he does.
     
  35. TiP54

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    Patrick Willis...hmmm...that sounds familiar. Oh, that's right, he's the guy we could of drafted instead of Ted Ginn and his family.
     
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  36. MrClean

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    Another year on the PS? He hasn't been on the PS at all yet. It is also kind of ridiculous to say he needs to learn how to long snap to even just make it on to the PS. He is more than capable of sticking on the 53 as a backup TE, and we carry 3.
     
  37. Fin4Ever

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    Todd, I am not sure if you or others would agree with me but I think that someone we should target in round 4-5 range is Chickillo.. This guy was heavily coveted out of high school and if I am not mistaking was the #1 4-3 DE prospect in the country out of high school. He joins the Canes and they played him out of position his whole time there as a 3-4 DE. I hope you had a chance to watch the East-West Shrine game because the coaching staff deployed a 4-3 the whole game and he was a disruptive force and in the backfield more often than not. He is another local ( Cane ) and we SHOULD draft him..I think he will be a steal.
     
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  39. Fin4Ever

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    I also would like for us to draft Clive Walford and if not, the TE from De is really an huge talented prospect...unbelievable RZ threat.
     
  40. dolphin25

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    Replace a proven Vet with a possible draft rookie, not thanks. I'll take the proven vet at WR
     

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