"" Mike Wallace BETTER stay in Miami, that's my guy." Guess who?

Wallace does more than what his stats shows, just being a presence 20-30 plus yards deep opens up the offense for everyone else. Yes its expensive as a decoy but the League respects his speed and they will send safety help at his direction..

 

Like it or not, the Dolphins will be paying Wallace as much as $9.6M in 2015. It costs $2.5M more to keep him. I can't imagine any scenario where Wallace isn't a Dolphin next year. Unless of course he makes Philbin feel queasy.

 

Exactly. Yes, in 2014 he made over double what BH made but he also almost doubled him up in receptions and yardage, I won't even embarrass anyone with the TD differential (TDs kinda are important ya know)

That was his big money year, his salary takes a dive this year so his overall value obviously increases.

And to your point, what he does in regards to the opposition game planning and coverages is extremely valuable in and of itself.

He was ridiculously overpaid last season, but last season is over. Will he be worth his lower cap hit this year?? Time will tell.

 

That can be accomplished with anyone with 4.3 speed, and receivers with that characteristic can be had for far less against the cap than Wallace.

 

One problem is if you get rid of him, who replaces him? Would love to have someone else who is even better, but its easier said than done.

 

Contrived? You're funny. These are stats. Inconvenient for you, yes. Now yards, TDs and QBR when thrown to are equal to Touchdowns we think were left on the field? LULZ.

Yes I'm basing this off of what he did this year vs. what we will have to pay him next year. That's usually how evaluations work. Last year's salary, and the year before, are sunk costs. Done. Already paid. Hartline is expendable as expendable can be. Wallace is tougher to replace. WRs that catch even 900 yards and 10 TDs don't just grow on trees.

 

If that were true then every starting lineup would have a 4.3 guy because they are frankly not hard to come by. But since that statement is ridiculous, guys like Ted Ginn switch teams every other year.

 

And this has what bearing on whether we keep him for 2015 or not? Hartline's production can be made up with a little more Clay, a little more Landry, and the ball boy as an eligible receiver catching two TDs.

 

Expected points added per play incorporates a touchdown as six points, yet Wallace finished 28th in the league at his position in that area.

And being "worth the money they're paying him" is a pretty important trait in today's NFL, where teams have to maximize the production they're getting against their salary cap expenditures.

We're about to watch a team win perhaps a second Super Bowl in a row largely because it's able to pay an outstanding quarterback peanuts and thereby allocate far more of its salary cap to talent at other positions. Mike Wallace is having the opposite effect for the Miami Dolphins.

 

True, it can be accomplished even with 4.4 speed.

 

You made a sweeping assessments of how well Hartline and Wallace have "earned" their money. What you're supporting it with is a contrivance because it's not really in keeping with the nature of your statement, and presents the situation in the most generous light to Wallace you can.

I'm not sure how we can talk about sunk costs in relationship to Wallace when there are much more pertinent examples of economics 101 in regards to chasing past performance that is unlikely to be repeated.

 

So much this!!!

 

Hartline is much closer to their strata than he is to the strata of the average fan or man on the street.

 

12.1M

Hartline?? 7.6M..

Easy game.

 

Hartline can only dream of being as good an NFL WR as Riley Cooper.

 

That sounds like what Jimmy Johnson said when asked why he didn't draft Randy Moss, and he said he got someone just as good much cheaper when he drafted Larry Shannon in the 3rd round that year. Larry was really tall and fairly fast, but that was where any similarity to Moss ended.

So...ANY WR with 4.3 speed can just step in and replace Wallace. hahahahahahahaha

 

I'll tell ya what. If they simply put Rishard Matthews into Hartline's spot, and gave him equal snaps, he'd easily increase the production at X Receiver.

 

Hartline unless a team is dumb enough to give us a 7th rounder will most likely be a Post June 1 cut saving us 6M in cap space. Cutting Gibson saves 3 and some change. That's over 9M free'd up and next to nothing to replace from a production standpoint.

 

Absolutely.

But he was in Philbin's "doghouse" and we can't have players who don't sit up straight in their chairs and raise their hand before speaking.

 

I think they should both be cut. The position needs an almost complete overhaul. Jarvis Landry is currently the only player on the team whose abilities fit with the offense and the strengths of the quarterback. Landry should man the possession receiver position, a TY Hilton type should be brought in to play the downfield role, and the slot should be manned by a Tavon Austin type. All three players need to be guys who can catch the ball short and make plays with it, and two of them need to be able to go long. Neither Hartline nor Wallace fit that bill.

 

Tavon Austin?? He has down nothing from a WR standpoint in this league.

You don't take away your young QBs best weapon and expect him to keep,ascending by overhauling his WR corps almost completely.

You save over 9 M by cutting Hartline and Gibson, take that money and sign a M.Crabtree and invest on a WR in the first two rounds to replace Wallace in 2016.

 

If Wallace's season was mediocre than Hartline's entire career has been criminal.

 

Wrong, Ted Ginn can't come in and replace Wallace. Wallace is well respected around the league for his receiving and big play ability.

I'm all for replacing Wallace by the way, but I'm not for letting him go and sticking with Hartline Landry and Gibson. That's a hell no, that's going backwards.

Draft a receiver, let go of Hartline and Gibson.

Start rookie receiver / Wallace / Landry in 2015.

2016 if Wallace becomes expendable and our new receiver is a stud, let go of Wallace.

 

We need to keep Wallace unless we want a high draft pick next year. I'm talking under 10th. We need to pick up a speed receiver in the draft.

 

Again, that's only if you take Wallace's touchdown production and put it on a pedestal far above and beyond anything rational.

 

Um, yeah TDs are over rated. They don't win games or anything......

 

I like TDs.

 

We're talking about a guy who did a pretty good job in the red zone, not someone who carved the ****ing points out of stone with his wits, ability, and will.

Receiving options who are productive in the red zone are neither rare or expensive, and most teams have the sense to make them part-time players when they're otherwise unproductive.

 

They have been plenty rare for Miami.

I just don't think in a year we improved our points per game dramatically, is the right time to single out the first WR since Chris freaking Chambers to score 10 tds....especially to defend a guy who has scored only 12 tds in his entire 6 year career with Miami.

 

He was also consistently behind defenses in position for big plays...

Good in the red zone
78 catches 10 TDs with no deep (truely deep that is) plays

Pretty good WR huh.

 

If the answer to your problem is signing a guy like James Jones or Eddie Royal, you don't really have anyone but yourself to blame.

All we really need to hit the full quota here is someone making wild claims about the amount of Mike Wallace yards and touchdowns that were left on the field, and I can't think of anyone more fitting than you for those dubious honors.

 

Sure, I'm all for it, but that has nothing to do with Wallace playing better ball this past season and it has nothing to do with him being worlds better than Hartline.

 

I think many would argue that the dumber argument is that yards and TDs WERE NOT left on the field, and I certainly can't think of a better candidate to lead that argument than you. You are definitely the man for the job.

 

I didn't say earned. I said "earning."

So at least we all now know why you are wrong.

They're both overpaid but Wallace has trended up from the year before, Hartline is trending down. I didn't even get into TDs and yards left on the field. We know Lazor thinks that, but I didn't bring it up

 

That's what I'm saying. It's not hard to replace 450 yards and 2 TDs, that's league minimum territory. What is that, $420k? And 94 of those yards in the last meaningless game? Less than 400 yards when it mattered? That's terrible.

 

Sometimes it amazes me that Miami had 4,000 yards passing with Wallace under 1,000, Hartline under 500, Clay hurt most of the season, Miller not good in the passing game, Sims taking half a season to get it, and Gibson being pretty much useless.

Landry stepping up was pretty good, and even he wasn't very good during the first quarter of the season.