Suh or no Suh? That is the question.

McLovin is a cool dude. I don't care what the government thinks about him.

 

How?

 

Thank You! I would love to get a crystal ball too...

 

Where is the $$$ coming from?

 

Through some sources that I trust very much, and have never led me astray.

 

I'd love to call out anyone who brings information just because I'm blinded by talent. But to make it interesting, I propose a friendly wager...if Suh signs with Miami...I'll let you replace my avi with whatever picture you want. If Suh signs with any of the clubs I mentioned, your avi will be a pic of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

 

Never gonna happen. I didn't call you out, I just said I would love to get some people's crystal ball, because they say "NO" like they run the Miami Dolphins, anything is a possibility in the offseason, teams clear cap space, free agents probably don't even know where they will end up yet as they can't test the market yet (and the Super Bowl hasn't even been played yet), its all pure speculation on both ends.

 

Are you objecting to the pics, or the bet?

 

I'm objecting to the pics, it will never happen. I wouldn't soil my avi with a pic of a couple of cheaters of a team I despise.

 

I keep telling people I don't care who wins the Super Bowl as long as the Pats lose.

 

You and me both, my good friend! Hopefully TB12 injures something or slips walking off the team bus... Either will do.

 

That's the point of the bet.

 

That's a bet I won't make. Prize isn't worth the bet considering I don't really care what YOUR avi is and chances are on your side that you win the bet as I'm being pigeon holed into Suh signing with ONE team and you just need Suh to sign with 1 of the other 31 teams for you to win. Even a mentally ill person would know not to take that bet.

P.S. If I took the bet, I would of found a loop hole to the bet like this type of picyou didn't say it had to be a good pic of them nor did you say your choice of pic soooo. Lol

 

That's fine.

 

Well, im not taking it, as I said.

 

injuries FTW!


luckily i know this isn't the general consensus.

 

You would be quite surprised...
http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/...08/patriots_most_hated_nfl_team_in_world.html
Most hated team in the NFL in the world ^^^^ guess who it is?
http://www.businessinsider.com/cowboys-patriots-nfl-2015-1
Another article ^^^ at least this one has them at #2 behind the Cowboys... You got that going for ya.

 

i didnt see the word injure or any part of it in there

 

finyank

 

Is a team wide breakout of genital warts classified as an injury?

 

only because you fake bake.

 

looks like a success hate map more than a regional hate map. the NCAA map hates duke.

 

Welp, don't you worry, Me and MANY more like me are out here.

 

so you want to see people get injured? because that's what you're saying.

 

Yes, that's what I'm saying, I would obviously like to see TB12 take an injury AS MANY OTHER PHIN FANS I talk to want to see as well. Why wouldn't I? He's been around forever and looks like he can play another 5-8 years at a high level barring INJURY, so yes, I wouldnt mind seeing him take an injury especially because I feel the Patriots are a cheating, classless, organization and I'm tired of watching him play on sundays.

 

i would be willing to bet that you would be hard pressed to find many people on here that would want someone injured.

 

I doubt that. And it's not people on here, it's the fan base where I'm at, where I live, ****, some fans I talk to aren't even Phin fans and they want to see TB12 get injured. I'm not saying I want to see him dead. We all are getting tired of his antics and entitled spoiled ladyboy bull**** like this

 

Wouldn't hurt my feelings one iota to see Brady get Theisman'd...just sayin'. Can't F****** stand him. And his bullsh*t to the Ravens, "read the rulebook guys," like a true douche...then the NFL comes out and calls it illegal...good look Marcia.

Fkn id.

 

Welp, that's one guy on board with me... Like I said, MANY others like me, not just PHIN fans either..

 

I mean...I don't wish it on him...but it wouldn't bother me. Lots of guys at work agree too, but they're mostly Cowboys fans...they're used to their QB getting mugged.

 

I talk to a lot of Eagles fans and they all are fed up with TB12 too, we always use the good ole "slip off the bus" as some humor. It's national, a lot of people hate the Cowboys and Patriots, and a lot of people wouldn't care if TB12 slipped on a rock, they would probably laugh, thats just the way it is. Of course Pats fans are gonna feel some type of way about it.

 

Greatest DT was Reggie White, the Minister of Defense

Then we have "wannabearockstar Suh"

Just no

 

I seem to be talking myself into taking Suh these days more than the other way around. The price tag makes a difference, but here are some things to consider:

1. Middle pressure has a huge impact on opposing QB play and the opponent's QB play is as important as your own QB play when it comes to winning. Tom Brady's biggest weakness is middle pressure and that has been a known weakness for quite a while. Furthermore an interior player can have an impact on any snap. He doesn't need the ball to go this way to have an impact. He can't be relegated to uselessness just by the offense avoiding throwing the football here or there.

2. Middle pressure makes your edge rushers that much more productive and we have edge rushers with a knack for production. This is a team game and any superior talent you acquire is going to cause displacement that could help other talents already on roster. But some of that help either requires a fairly big stretch of the imagination or it requires your coaches or the opposing coaches to actively make schematic changes that help the other guys on your team. An example of that would be claiming that adding Defensive End X helps Defensive End Y because he's going to draw double-teams. In the case of an Ndamukong Suh, this is not necessary at all. Cam Wake won't be helped by Suh's presence because of double-teams or some such. Wake will be helped by Suh's presence because Suh will collapse the pocket from the interior, creating a whole lot of opportunities for Wake and Vernon to redirect to the quarterback.

3. Suh is an 82% snap player at the DT position which is rare. One of the reasons the DT position isn't valued the same as the DE position is because generally speaking they take fewer snaps. For example Ngata played 66% of the snaps, just counting the games in which he played. Wilfork played 73%. Jared Odrick is a known ironman for the position (taking a ton of snaps) yet even he was only at 76%. I think the only DT in the NFL who participated more than Suh was Dontari Poe. Other DTs tend to be about 65 to 70%. Actually only 11 defensive linemen period had more snaps than Suh this year.

4. Dave Hyde said it well. It's one thing to pay a ton of money for the best available player at a position in free agency. It's another thing to be paying a ton of money to the best player period at his position. Ndamukong Suh can be argued to be the best defensive tackle in football, period. Not just the best one available. The best overall player at a position doesn't often make it to free agency without the franchise tag. I'm not sure I can remember the last time it happened, truthfully. And Suh can definitely be argued to be the best as it's no doubt between he, Gerald McCoy and perhaps Geno Atkins. Maybe Aaron Donald is already in that mix as he was ridiculous even as a rookie. But Atkins and McCoy have injury issues, and Donald didn't have the kind of snap participation Suh did.

5. A really HUGE factor, the one that makes Suh seem almost too good to be true, is that he's never missed a game due to injury. Not since being drafted by the NFL. He's missed a few games due to suspension, but none due to injury.

6. Looking through the list of past free agents, and other free agent mistakes...it's ugly. I've said this many times but it always seems to me like when you spend money in free agency you should figure on MAYBE getting about 50% of bang for your buck, and that's if you think you're good at this. Otherwise I'm commonly seeing more like 40% bang for your buck, or even lower. Let's say instead of signing Suh for $14 million a year (which would approximate the deal Gerald McCoy got, IF you actually pay attention to the details of what McCoy got)...yes, instead of signing Suh for $14 million a year you could have signed three guys for $4.5 million a year or so. But looking through the history of free agency suggests that two of those three dudes would've turned out big wastes of time and money. So if you pay Suh $14 million a year...what's the worst you're getting? What is the downside here? Are you going to get Albert Haynesworth'd? I'd say probably not because Suh doesn't have the same risk factors and everyone knows it. But could you get DT play from Suh that you could've perhaps gotten for about $8 million per year? I could see that. It could happen. Let's call that the realistic downside. That's still a more efficient use of your money than buying several mid-priced guys and getting 40 or 50% bang for your buck, ESPECIALLY since when Suh disappoints at his realistic underachievement level, he's still not going to actually be a drag on the team. He's still not going to be a guy that you say, I wish his salary wasn't here because if it weren't then we could be cycling through some options that could play a hell of a lot better than him. That's what happens when a $4 or $5 million per year guy disappoints. Suddenly you wish they weren't even there because they're just not playing well enough for you to consider the player a winner. With Suh, his realistic downside isn't that low.

 

Well, if you break down some numbers, Suh's asking price is probably comparable to what McCoy got from Tampa. Let's call it $13-$15MM per year. I'd say the writing is pretty clearly on the wall for certain guys like Ellerbe, Hartline, Gibson, and Wheeler. I think you can make a reasonable case to also get rid of high-priced guys who aren't worth their salaries any more like Brandon Fields, Cortland Finnegan, Nate Garner, Shelley Smith, and Randy Starks. If you don't bring back Jared Odrick - let's face it, he was better in 2013 than he was last year - that's getting you into the ballpark. And, of the guys mentioned, the only two that were big contributors last year were Odrick and Starks. But, signing Suh equalizes a hole at DT and the Draft is LOADED at the position this year, so it's certainly not far fetched to bring in a contributor through the Draft. And, let's face it, you can very easily make the argument that Ndamukong Suh is the best 3-technique in the game.

Then of course there's Mike Wallace on top of all that. This year's draft class is also LOADED at wide receiver.

 

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SOLD!!! To the man in the white shirt..

 

I'm not saying I want it to happen...I can't wish career-Enders as it's poor karma..but if he rolls an ankle or dislocates his throwing shoulder enough to force him from the SB I won't be upset. The sooner he's out of the league the happier I'll be. He needs to go spend time with Gisele before she loses her looks.

 

And as for Suh, yes please. 14M for an elite player like Suh or 7 for Odrick? Suh is literally twice as valuable as Odrick. Plus you wouldn't have to spend a 1 or 2 on a DT

 

Big difference between Suh and Haynesworth. The latter was long known as a player with some dog in him. There was the concern expressed by a lot of people that his last year in Tenn he turned up the motor trying to get the big payday. Dan Snyder obliged him on that. Suh may be dirty but he has never been known as a player who ever gives anything less than 100% and he has been as durable as it gets.

 

I can see parting ways with all of those guys except Wallace. Hartline, Gibson, Wheeler, Ellerbe, Finnegan would have to be replaced though. Delmas too. We still need a #1 RB. Clay is up for a new deal. Tannehill is due a raise, Pouncey and Vernon too. Expecting more than two starters from the draft is optimistic, that leaves a lot of work to be done in FA and not much $$$ to do it with.

Overall I don't see how Suh makes us a contender, I think our path to contention lies with the offense.