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Unofficial Trade Thread

Discussion in 'Trades' started by GridIronKing34, Jan 28, 2015.

  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ser Scrubby Brian Hartline?
     
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  2. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Yup which is why I just draft mine or grab what's available in free agency. WR's are highly overrated here. I'll actually penalize a team for overloading at WR that you know would cause WR diva issues about playtime etc. Dez is pretty darn good but when I had an oppurtunity to get a high draft pick, a 4th rounder and get Eddie Lacy who behind Dallas' line is a 2000 yard candidate...hell yah I took that.

    WR drafts tend to be a good 3 rounds deep every year as is and some solid WR's usually end up in free agency.

    By the way I REALLY like that trade for Miami. Brian Cushing and Ryan Griffin for 2 underachivers? Score! Cushing when healthy is a big upgrade over Koa. Hell Koa's just as injured lately. Ryan Griffin is criminally underused in O'Brien's system. With a team that will use him like a WR he can easily put up 500-600 yards in a season.
     
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  3. Alex44

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    I would like to note that Fitzgerald is not a diva and will mesh with D. Thomas while providing leadership for Robinson.
     
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  4. BuckeyeKing

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    Taking a huge gamble on Cushing though. Misi's contract is pretty flexable compared to Cushing. If Cushing returns to form I think I win the trade but we both got what we wanted. Still trying to move Hartline and Wheeler but those are near impossible to move.
     
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  5. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I'm talking about guys that would have their 4-5 be guys who could easily be at least a #2 on more then half the teams in the league. 3 strong..no complaints. I just don't buy a guy sitting on the bench when he would be a major contributer elsewhere.
     
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  6. Boik14

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    see for me that depends if the team is solid everywhere else. If he's 5 deep at any spot and there's weaknesses elsewhere on the teams that's a bad use of resources to me. If he's 5 deep at wr and the OL or DBS look to be Arena league caliber then we have a problem
     
  7. LeroyBoss

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    Not sure why you guys gotta hate on Demaryius Hartline like that... :shifty:
     
  8. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Hmmm I might have to be a spender at some point. I have 9 draft picks. Expecting 2 more via compensatory for Murray and McClain (Yippie Ki-Ya). That's 11. Unless in the very highly unlikely outcome that someone snags my RFA's in Beasley or Moore.
     
  9. Alex44

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    What are the GM League rules on Comp picks? Im expecting J. Thomas to get a lot of action.
     
  10. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Don't quote me on it but I believe it's the 32 highest bought players in FA awards a comp pick for the team that lost them. Split between the end of the 4th/5th/6th and 7th rounds with the prize FA biggest signing giving a end of 3rd round to the previous team.
     
  11. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Basically this. It is for free agents only... Not cut players.

    Transition tagged players who hypothetically sign with a new team would be eligible for this too.
     
  12. Boik14

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    And there goes Yanda...I'll take it for a guard even a great one
     
  13. Alex44

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    Anyone have interest in David Bruton - 7th round compensation or Kayvon Webster - 4th-5th round compensation PM me.
     
  14. BuckeyeKing

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    Look at all that room for Hartline :shifty:
     
  15. LeroyBoss

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    Looking to possibly move Matt Forte for a pick, or trade some of my later picks for a higher pick
     
  16. VanDolPhan

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    Could consider young CB Prince Amukamara. Prefer picks over players and no high cost players (point of moving Prince is to free cap).
     
  17. Kingdom

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    You should have room for pyramids since I took the Great Pyramid of Giza from you.
     
  18. 305

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    Get off my lawn.
    Isn't it from the previous year and not the current year?
     
  19. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    In real life yes. In this league it's combined into the current year.
     
  20. Bdogtitan11

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    It's all relative IMO. WRs in general are overrated, but that changes if you have the right guys in place. For instance, having an established No. 1, an ideal No. 2 willing to let the top guy shine and a prototypical slot WR can work (see Denver recrecently, Colts for years, even New England has done it with TEs as WRs.)

    Having the right QB to properly distribute the ball helps, too. And I agree that a solid RB is a must too, although they can be found,in various places. Just saying I wouldn't penalize a team for having good WRs, just depends on how they all fit in.
     
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  21. schisno

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    VanDolphan WR Units

    Summary:
    Traded -- WR Andre Johnson
    Received -- DT Ra'Shede Hageman, FS Terrence Brooks, OT Billy Turner

    Traded -- WR DeAndre Hopkins
    Received -- OT Mitchell Schwartz, OT Taylor Lewan

    Signed 2nd Highest (Julian Edelman), 5th Highest (Eddie Royal) Free Agent Receivers

    For the most part Van got average return for the money spent on free agent receivers because you have to balance out the fact that there isn't a 1,000 yard pass catcher in the group, or that he got not production out of his UDFA receivers. He traded away the original starters to bring in his starting tackles and starting left guard, which could be construed as overvaluing offensive lineman at the costs of his receiving group.

    Summary:
    Overall terrible group, I don't even think they break 1,000 yards combined and collected just 2 reception touchdowns. It should be noted that this is his rookie year.


    Overall:
    In the GML the costs of wide receivers can be exorbitant but are they as overvalued as we believe? 22 of a possible 160 first round selections have been used on Wide Receivers since 2010, that is only 2 more than QBs drafted in the first round. Like most skill positions, it is hard to find real gems in FA because the special talent is retained by their teams.

    Yes talent can be found in the draft, but it's just as easy to bust. More than not there is only a small number of impactful receivers and in 2013 only the likes of Keenan Allen and DeAndre Hopkins have been consistent compared to their peers, however as we can see VanDolPhan who has asserted drafts are usually 3 rounds deep for receivers missed on his second round selection and then decided to strictly collect the core of his receiving group through FA missed out on impactful options in a deep 2014 draft class.

    The most successful method of putting together a receiving unit may be trading for an established name and drafting more than one receiver in the draft, preferably in round one or two.

    The question remains, what is the most overvalued and overrated position? Is it offensive lineman because their PFF grades change more than most positions? If you want the answers just subscribe to schisno's useless numbers for just $9.95 a month to access GML-only dedicated advance statistics.
     
  22. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I built 2 TE, running game offenses the first 2 years. And I like my offensive linemen as Odin found out ;p No surprise there. Getting nothing out of Patton and Floyd going down with injury sucked. If I had production from them it would have been fine with my 2 TE's (nearly 1200 yards from 2 TE's) that year. But yah 2013 definitely not a 3 round deep draft. That was a top 2 and a bunch of farting.

    Last year I was more focused on overhauling Houston's defense and making it more balanced and far from that 1 gap 3-4. You got to admit that defense was pretty good in the end ;p Also had a really good ground game there. What failed me was O'Brien having 2 good receiving TE's and then not using them. Also Nate just couldn't buy me one more year before his decline ;p Right situation just didn't come along for drafting a WR. Had defensive holes I was plugging away at.

    Obviously this year it looks like I'll be dipping into the pool...hopefully I don't Patton it this time ;p

    But true I don't really value WR's that well. Maybe next year I'll focus on the '3' at least. Hell maybe one of these years I'll come in with a plan and actually stick to it. Tend to make moves just for the sake of making moves.

    But I think the point I was making was clearly missed. I was commenting about guys who over stack their 4-5's etc where it isn't very realistic and like Boik said swiss cheese elsewhere. Although last years Eagles pulled it off pretty nicely.
     
  23. Alex44

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    You can make four strong WRs work IMO as long as the #2 and #4 don't have strong egos and you run a spread oriented offense.

    I wouldn't have Dez or Demaryius as my #4 but last year I went for Cotchery who was coming off a strong year.
     
  24. Fin-Omenal

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    My take is...

    Unless you have Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or Zach Mettenberger you BETTER have some talented pass catchers.
     
  25. Bdogtitan11

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    Or Drew Brees :shifty:
     
  26. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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  27. Fin-Omenal

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    I'm withholding my opinion on Drew until this thing is over, he is still good but I saw a few things last year that has me wondering.
     
  28. Bdogtitan11

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    To each their own. I'd say a look at his numbers (No. 3 PFF grade, 6th QBR) and play -- especially with declining play around him -- answers any concerns.
     
  29. VanDolPhan

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    Anyways this was Boik's fight. Damn me for agreeing with him :tongue2:

    *bows out..exits stage left*
     
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    I recognize what the numbers say, he still is a good QB and a huge upgrade for the Bengals.
     
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    So no Sham Badford on that QB list huh...shucks
     
  32. Fin-Omenal

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    Sam's issue is obvious, and it isn't ability.
     
  33. VanDolPhan

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    That's one thing I'm glad I didn't have to do this year. Scramble for a QB.
     
  34. schisno

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    I wouldn't hide behind, "I was building a two TE offense" or anything like that. You undervalued the position as we both agree, in 2013 whether Floyd stayed healthy or not wouldn't have made a difference because he hasn't topped 900 receiving yards. The two TE offense works if you have elite talent at the positions (Gronkowski and Hernandez) or elite talent elsewhere that the defense has to worry about.

    You said you wanted to build your offense, but a lot of teams get into this mode where they want to build an all-pro defense that is the equivalent to your 4-5 WR deep units. So would you look at teams like that negatively as well? Taking a quick skim I didn't see any teams that were 4-5 deep, I saw 3 deep (Philadelphia) and in terms of holes, every team still has holes, it's just going to be given as part of the game. I mean your cornerbacks are pretty much what you were knocking at the wide receiver position if someone was going to do that four starters at the 1-4 spot.

    For me I think the offensive line has been overinflated since guards have started getting big money contracts, when in reality teams like the Packers and Patriots don't have to invest a whole lot into those lines.

    The Patriots have Nate Solder (1st RD) - Dan Connolly (Undrafted) - Bryan Stork (4th Round)/Ryan Wendell (Undrafted) - Josh Kline (Undrafted) - Sebastion Vollmer (2nd Round)
    The Packers had David Bakhtiar (4th RD) - Josh Sitton (4th RD) - Corey Linsley (5th RD)/ JC Tretter (4th RD) - TJ Lang (4th RD) - Bryan Bulaga (1st RD)

    It's nice to be as deep as possible at all positions, it just happens that the less heralded guys play their part and become big names after consistent production.
     
  35. Alex44

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    I did and didn't. I wanted to move to #1 but I knew if I couldnt I still had Manning.

    I have a weird offensive line. Kalil-Bodine-Zuttah-Blalock-Joekel. Hoping its enough to not be terrible. Could actually be gret if the young guys play to potential.
     
  36. Mach

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    Had to make sure this made the page flip. Carry on.
     
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  37. schisno

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    It's boom or bust for sure. Only one I'd be worried about is Kalil because of his decline, Joeckel can only get better from what he's shown. Interior line play can be passable if your OTs aren't messing up too badly.
     
  38. Kingdom

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    They make Viagra for that
     
  39. VanDolPhan

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    Not hiding. I openly said that during that season. Season 2 the corners were an open mocking of the whole overrated WR's and stacked offenses and I still didn't walk away with Secondary of the year. It was meant to match up with these 3-4 deep WR's. I also never claimed I wasn't big into the lines. Always been a trenches guy. So no idea why you keep harping on something I openly admit to. Your trying to make a point but it's lost. I don't invest any deeper in the lines then folks do with their WR's probably a lot less considering what these WR's go for.

    This year I haven't really gone trenches because I was pretty much given an OL (I spent an entire late 3rd pick upgrading from Leary to Yanda. My entire OL spending output). Only made a couple moves along the DL. My aim this year is balance between offense and defense. Will I get there? Don't know. Still leaning towards that power run game ;p

    I loved the Philly team of last year but come on that team would never work harmoniously in reality. He was 4 deep at WR not 3. Unless your used to having an 800+ yard 8TD guy as your FOUR. Plus he had 2 TE's with 122 catches and a running back with 52 catches. Yet folks will look at it like trading cards the end of the year instead of 'how will this team work'.
     
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  40. VanDolPhan

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    Feels like they need some sort of KMFDM (look it up ;p ) title as a group. KBZBJ? ;p
     

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