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Chris 'thank you Mr. Huizenga' Chambers

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 25, 2007.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Our front office took a beating on national tv this weekend, for those who did'nt see it,

    one of the charger players while introducing the rest of the team for the mon. nite game introduced our former receiver as Chris "thank you mr. hueizinga" chambers.

    Also phil simms said ON NATIONAL TV, that after talking to jason taylor and some other players that he and nantz could tell that there was some discontent in the locker room after they let welker go.

    You want answers to why we are the worst dolphin team in our history, i say look no further then players not believing in who they are playing for. think about the signal that letting wes go sent to the rest of the players, play your *** off, do everything,be the best at your position, extremely tough, clutch, young and then when its time for a payday they let you walk.

    Listen man, i don't want to beat a dead horse but those two comments were out there for everyone to listen to and i happen to agree wholeheartedly.

    Its tough enough to unite 53 players playing for each other in this town, its another story to get rid of the few that would of been all about it.
     
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  2. #1dolphinsfan

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    Chambers had a great game i am gald he is with a team that has a chance to win the super bowl when Rivers plays good but i think chambers could have helped us alot this year
     
  3. 1334

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    Chambers was inconsistant on this team. Hmmm, possibly the inconsistancy at coaches, Qb's, etc. Always on the verge of great, but never great. Hated to see him go, but he deserves a chance to be great on another team. As for Welker...I loved the guy. Actually still have a man crush on this kid. He was/is a stud on our team or any other team. Unfortunately, he was too good for the Dolphins at this time. I mentioned on another thread that (in my opinion of course)he is a player that we needed to let go to get other positions filled (ie. center). Now do I think this Setele guy is better than Welker? No, but I do think we need a long term Center/Oline and every other postion. NE can pick and choose individual players to help their team improve. We need to build a team. I would be happy to have kept Welker and Welker type players as a core of this team, but I can see why they thought they could let him go.
    Merry Christmas everybody!
     
  4. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    I didn't see it, but I would think they are grateful for having Chambers on there team.
     
  5. CitizenSnips

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    10 times out of 10 i'd still trade welker. How amazing is it that people forget we tendered wleker and the patriots were going to match it. Welker wasn't worth a pay day, he's still not. He wasn't worth the 2nd rounder to be honest. You put him on a team without moss and stallworth and watch his value decrease.

    Welkers a product of the patriots offense, not the other way around. He played with his heart here, but in the end all he really could do for our offense was 50 some catches and maybe 500 yds. Thats not worth a pay day.
     
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  6. #1dolphinsfan

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    IMO i think that Samson Setele is better then welker with our team welker is a good WR with Good hands but i dont think he could be a #1 WR in the NFL
     
  7. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    I think losing Welker, and Chambers left the cubbards pretty bare.
     
  8. 1334

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    Exactly what I said, with our team Setele is the better. Never said Welker is a #1 receiver. He's just a great football player. Would like more on our team with his heart!
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    great post and i agree with you, i never thought about the perspective of him being to good for the team at the time, i still think that if you let go of guys with character, toughness and production then that tells me something about their character,know what i'am sayin.
     
  10. #1dolphinsfan

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    They our Both really talented WR but Changing QB neather of them would have a season like they have right now
     
  11. 1334

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    Well said "Bro"
     
  12. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    I am surprised you didn't use Santa.:wave:
     
  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you don't see what i see in wes welker, him and chambers had to deal with probably the worst team in terms of the quarterback position over the past 7 years that the nfl has ever seen, not to mention that the o line was not far behind, i guess i should believe you over people like jason taylor and don shula who openly have questioned the moves
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    its not about who's better,its about decision making at that moment.

    wes may not be a number one but he is the best slot receiver in the game and in the big picture that position is vital in the building of a championship
     
  15. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    LOL @ this post!!!



    You do realize that we did NOT have a choice in the Welker trade? We didnt just trade him to the Pats b/c we wanted to. Welker was a RFA, and the Pats were set to use a poison pill. However, to avoid the bad pub of using a poison pill, the Pats offered to give up an extra 7th, and make it a normal trade.

    We took the extra 7th... but we didnt have much of a choice.


    So I highly doubt our team was demoralized by the decision of the FO, since people that knew about the situation knew that we had no say in the matter...


    And on top of it, we got one hell of a player in return. Samson looks like he will be a future pro bowler at one of the most important positions on offense...
     
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  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I lol at your response, I UNDERSTAND WE DID'NT TRADE HIM, WE JUST LET HIM GO FOR A THIRD ROUND PICK. my point is he should'nt of even been in the conversation.
     
  17. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    I saw that too tonight, and I thought it was pretty funny. Im sure CC thanks Huizenga everyday for letting him go, enabling him to actually contend for the playoffs with a good team.
     
  18. mmikel30

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    true true ..and it's not mr. h's fault it was mr muller's fault those guys are gone. just imagine what chambers would do for the pat's.
     
  19. padre31

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    Wow, we are rebuilding, it's sort of sad when someone's favorite leaves the team for some draft picks for like Starting Olineman or something, I suppose it would be better if we had kept the object of affection and still finished 1-15?

    Or maybe, just maybe the players who are whinning about the coaches should play...better or something? As they attack the coach, they also are attacking their own performance.

    We got our Center for the forseeable future for Welker, we don't know who we will draft with the Chambers pick, hopefully a guard or dlineman.

    and BTW, when we win again, Simms will be in the same locker room kissing someone's backside and talking about good they are....
     
  20. djfresh47

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    Just cause this is too easy...So he's a better Ted Ginn?

    That's brutal...Though I hate the management, I hate the coaching of this team. The Tuna though has me thinking this team will turn it around. I can only compare him to his coaching jobs and he turns teams around. Taking a QB early in the draft had me happy, not taking the guy who everybody knew we should've taken has me skeptical. A smart guy running the franchise is a good change.
     
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  21. djphinfan

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    there's only two ways how he got that nickname, one, he walks around practice and mumbles it to other players, two, all the chargers thank mr. h for giving chris to them, both ways we look like schmucks.

    Imagine if san diego gets to the big game, chris chambers for a third round pick, would you take it? i would'nt, no way no how, that would be another inditement on the front office
     
  22. padre31

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    We should have and did jump on the SD offer of a 2nd round pick (#56 or so in the draft), we are rebuilding..

    I would have jumped on that pick so fast AJ Smith would go deaf in his right ear when Mueller's "Deal" came through the line....
     
  23. FinNasty

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    We got a 2nd round pick...

    And what were we supposed to do? Not trade him? And pay him a fully GUARENTEED contract (due to the poison pill) for like 30 million dollars?? LOL!!!

    We didnt have choice. And on top of it, we got GREAT value for him, and turned it into one hell of a player.

    I dont get what you are upset about? We had no choice, and even then, we got a great player in return...
     
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  24. FinNasty

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    We got a 2nd round pick for Chambers...

    And a 2nd round pick for Welker...

    NOT 3rd rounders...
     
  25. wpgfishfan

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    We could have tendered him for a 1
     
  26. FinNasty

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    lol... tendered Welker for a 1st? Its a 1st and 3rd, and you are talking about a lot more money, which he simply isnt worth. He isnt worth that to any team other than the Pats...

    In any other offense, he is only on the field for half the snaps AT MOST. In NE, their base formation is a 3 WR set... so he can play almost every down...


    A 2nd round pick for Welker was GREAT value. Want to know why we tendered him for a 2nd? Because we didnt think anyone would actually be willing to give up a 2nd for Welker... I still cant believe we got that much for him... but it makes sense for the Pats. He is having a great year, but it is less about Welker and more about Brady/Moss/Stallworth. Welker is the best slot WR in the game, and he was the best when he was in Miami... but thats what he is... a slot WR. Hes not someone that you can make the focus of your offense. So paying him tons of money is rediculous.


    And knowing what we got for him makes this trade even more of a no brainer...
     
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  27. FinSane

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    Both sides make good points, but I think youre right about this. I thought we could see what its like getting high value picks for average players. Remember when we let go a 2nd for A.J. Feely? We looked like fools. Letting Welker go for a 2nd and 7th was great value and it felt good to get TWO players for the price of one, which probably wouldnt be a starter on any other team.
     
  28. L.T.21

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    I freaking LOVE HIM!

    No, there was no side that lost in the trade...both sides will benefit from it. The Dolphins need draft picks, lots of it -- and if used properly can be the most important key to rebuilding a franchise.

    Just take a look at the players on the Chargers squad....

    Both sides benefit. Period.


    I have man-love for the guy...not man-love as in you know what -- but man is he awesome!:bighug:
     
  29. FinSane

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    We all knew CC was an above average WR, not elite, but can make some great plays. Its good to see his full potential being realized when playing with good players like Rivers, Gates and LT. Heck, Vincent Jackson is a pretty good possession receiver. I was depressed to see him go, I liked the guy. He was even having a season akin to 2005. But it must've been rough being the only good WR on the team, getting double, triple teamed, and the other guys not getting open, or dropping passes when they were, or Qbs who throw INTs, get sacked, o-line not doing their jobs, TEs who arent consistent(McMichael, Martin). CC did have his ups and downs but all had to be taken in context with what the team has been since he was drafted. I think we wouldve been ok if we kept him, and bring in some playmakers to open things up for him, but the team decided to go in a different direction and we have to live with it. Let's hope that 2nd round pick becomes gold.
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I look forward to seeing what he can do next year with a quarterback that can actually get him the ball on a consistant basis.

    If Chambers has a good year next year, it may actually prove to some people that football is a team sport.
     
  31. ATLFINFAN

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    Neither Chambers nor Wes would have helped us out this year. We dont have the OLine to keep our QB, who ever he might be at the time, off of his back long enough for them to be relavent. If we get a very good OLineman with the CC pick, we did the right thing.
     
  32. Kdawg954

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    I liked Chambers . . . I didn't wanna see him go . . . but to get a 2nd for him was a good deal. Chambers as been thru ALOT here, he just wasn't gonna ever get consistency here because of all of the changes . . . . IMO he could have been a TOP WR in this league if he goes to a team w/ consistency.
     
  33. MelbournePhin

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    going back a few posts, what exactly is a poison pill?
     
  34. Drfletcherdc

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    We could have Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and Terrel Owens lining up as our receivers and they would all suck. Our Qbs don't have the time or talent to get them the ball. We need to fix our Oline and Dline then worry about position players.
     
  35. hof13

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    Nope, there's options for both a 1st round tender and a 1st and a 3rd round tender.

    For 2007, the 2nd round tender cost $1.3M (that's what Cleo got).

    The 1st round tender cost $1.573M.

    The 1st and 3rd round tender cost $2.35M.

    So the team would've only saved $273K by using the 2nd rounder tender anyway.
     
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  36. ATLFINFAN

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    A poison pill, in a nutshell, is where the 'other team' (NE) puts a clause in the proposed contract that the original team(MIAMI ) would be unable to match. That is how Minn. was able to get Hutchenson away from Seattle. Minny put a 'clause' in the contract offer that said he had to always be the highest paid guard in the NFL. Seattle couldnt afford to do that because of their salary cap situation. That might not be the actual offer, but that is the jist of the Poison Pill. Seems like one such offer included a clause that said the RFA player 'would be the highest paid ?, linebacker for instance, in Florida.
     
  37. GridIronKing34

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    I know the one that the Pats were planning on using were if Welker played more than four games at Miami, he would get (dollar amount) guranteed. I don't remember the amount, but it was much more than he was worth.
     
  38. Hugo Guzman

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    It's amazing to me that after years of mismanaging draft picks - essentially giving them away for free agents that rarely panned out - some of you have the lack of perspective to actually rip the team for trading Welker and Chambers.

    The only way to build a team is through the draft, and the only way to stockpile picks is to trade away some of your good players. Welker and Chambers were good, not great, so trading them away was a wise decision, especially because WR (both slot and outside) are two of the easiest positions to replace. The only one that's easier is the running back slot.

    On the other hand, finding a starting caliber center is virtually impossible. We haven't had a real one for nearly 10 years (when Ruddy was still young and useful) which is why the Welker trade makes sense.

    As for the Chambers trade, though he is still a solid producer, he is approaching the twilight of his career and was due to make too much money. Also, his trade allowed for Ginn to get more reps and more experience at the wide receiver position. So even if the second-round pick we got for him doesn't pan out, it was still the right move to make.

    Oh, and I'll leave all of you Welker disciples with this little tidbit. Greg Camarillo has doubled Wes Welker's career receiving touchdowns as a Dolphin (1) in just two games. Wonder what he would do if he played for the Patriots?
     
  39. fins1

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    Great post Hugo. This team needs much more help than Wes and CC could provide. If we can draft some real talent, this can turn out to be a great team in the next couple of years.
     
  40. Dorfdad

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    Hardly Chris did Nothing this year once again... and I think the cubbards needs some real quarterbacks..
     

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