The combine (so far) isn't looking good for us at #14

Draft is a crap shoot, anything can happen.

 

I hope the Jets draft Mariota. Badly.

For everyone that rises someone falls. So I'm not worried. At #14 its more about making the right pick than targeting a specific player IMO. We need help just about everywhere. No position would disappoint me aside from punter, kicker, QB or offensive line.

To add on, I think Beasley would be an amazing pick. Personally I'd move Dion Jordan to SOLB where his coverage skills could be used more effectively. He'd also probably be a better edge rusher since he'd be less predictable in terms of when he is coming and when he is dropping back.

Beasley would be a pass rush specialist early in his career but a damn good one. Eventually he'd be starting at WOLB

 

Man, this is the year to trade up for a D payer. Shelton baby!! F U Ireland!!

 

Didn't Ireland trade up for Dion Jordan, a "D payer"?

I am confused by your statement.

 

I think he means this was the year to trade up for a D player...not the year he did it for Jordan

 

I like Vic Beasley, if we get him at 14 I'd be very happy.

 

Today is DB's, let's see how it goes... I just hope Trae Waynes doesn't blow everyone away and winds up becoming a top ten pick as well. If that happens, I'd guess we'd go after one of: WR Jaelen Strong or DeVante Parker, RB Melvin Gordon, ILB Eric Kendricks, or S Landon Collins. I actually wouldn't be too upset if that scenario played out, it wouldn't be as if we passed on some amazing can't-miss talent (maybe DGB, as I doubt they'd target him, but he'll likely fall a bit either way).

 

Yes, but those names were only discussed because at the time they seemed to be the ones in range. If they moved up............then obviously now there has to be 4 names that now realistically slip into our range.

 

Someone will fall. There are still 13 players ahead of you. You can write down 13 names and some good players will be there at 14. Everyone isn't going to just start picking WRs. Some of these guys need offensive lineman and quarterbacks. That's 4 picks that aren't competing with us right there. And we still have no clue how FA is about to look.

 

I'd tend to think that Danny Shelton will be available at #14 based on what he did at the combine. I'm not sure he really put the "surprising athleticism" in the "big man with surprising athleticism" label. He didn't hit the same kind of marks that Marcell Dareus, BJ Raji, Dontari Poe, etc. did.

He looks more like a normal space-eater, and there's a lot of guys out there who are capable of filling that role this off-season.

 

I've been loving Waynes as well and would love to get him. Wondering if Jalen Collins is ready to start in the NFL and where we could get him?


Just watched him do the pass catching drill and he did not do well. Hands not great.

 

Also have to remember that DTs fall in the draft. Remember when Star Lotulelei and Sharrif Floyd were both supposed to be top 5 picks? They went #14 overall and #24 overall. Of course they both ended up being pretty awesome, but still they fell.

Sheldon Richardson went higher than them because of his versatility to play end. But even he only went #13 overall, which is where Aaron Donald went. And Aaron Donald, despite his stature issues, had the best tape anyone had seen since Ndamukong Suh.

Ra'Shede Hageman kept being graded a 1st rounder. He fell to the 2nd round.

You have to go back to Marcell Dareus, Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy to find guys that went real high. There's one guy this year that could fit that bill and that's Leonard Williams.

If Danny Shelton goes ahead of pick #14 it will only be JUST ahead of us. It'll be the Saints at #13. I'm not sure I see any other fit happening before Miami's pick.

 

Yea, I thought Shelton's vert was pretty darn good given his size, but not sure that was even surprising athleticism. His other stuff didn't seem all that special. Not saying he won't go before our pick, but I don't personally see how he knocked the combine out of the park or anything.

 

CK, what about the Bears at #7 with them switching to a 3-4 and need at NT?

Also, how big a difference do you view Shelton/Phillips/Davis/Brown in the DT group?

 

I guess a lot of people are thinking that the Chicago Bears could take Danny Shelton at #7. It's possible.

But I think they're going to re-sign Stephen Paea and #7 might just be too high considering they'd have Paea and Jay Ratliff. I mean if you get to pick #7 and the guys off the board are Mariota & Winston (#1 and #2), Leonard Williams (Jags #3), Kevin White (Raiders #4), Amari Cooper (Redskins #5) and Dante Fowler (Jets #6)...I would think they'd be more tempted by a Randy Gregory, Shane Ray, Vic Beasley or Andrus Peat. And if Fowler is on the board definitely him.

So basically I think it'll be the Bears at #7 or the Saints at #13, and both may be more likely than not to pass on Shelton. Then Miami at #14.

 

Leonard Williams is indeed the other DT I like a lot.

 

I really think the thing to watch out for is for Miami to move up and take Amari Cooper.

They're probably going to get rid of Brian Hartline and for now it looks like they're going to try and make one more season work with Mike Wallace. That means in 2015 they have only Jarvis Landry and Mike Wallace and in 2015 they have only Jarvis Landry as they'll probably be getting rid of Wallace rather than pay him another $11.5 million.

So the position is one they'll have very high on the need list. Immediate need for a #2/#3, and the need for a #1 one year from now.

I think Tannenbaum is probably one of those guys like Ozzie Newsome that believes you take the best player available but when you have a need then you move around to make sure the best player available is also the guy you need. In this case there will be a need at wide receiver and they'll have a very high grade on Amari Cooper, so they could very well go up and get him.

 

I agree that DGB is talented, however, Kevin White is still my favorite WR in this draft and I think White will end up being the best WR in this class. I also think Melvin Gordon would give the offense an instant boost if drafted by us.

 

Is he best fit and BPA if he's there for us at #14?

 

You think Cooper will dip into the 7-10 range for Miami to jump? If they trade any higher than that, it better be for Kevin White.

 

But if that is their thought process, wouldn't the most obvious thing actually be staying put and taking Waynes at 14? CB is an even bigger need than WR as of right now and Waynes will probably be there at 14, they wouldn't have to give anything up. Unless they don't have that high a grade on Waynes and think that it would be reaching to pick him at 14.

 

He should be running in a few minutes.

 

we will probably trade up for cooper

 

Trae Waynes ran a 4.35

Another one raising his stock.

 

waynes looks good.

 

He didn't have a whole lot of room to move up. I love him.

 

Trae Waynes is a man of his word. He said he'd do 20 bench reps and then he ripped off 19. He said he'd run in the 4.3's and he did a 4.35.

Gotta hand him that. He's a consistent, predictable performer. The kind of player I'd love to draft at #14 overall if they stay put. But I'm thinking they won't stay put.

 

Liking Waynes at 14 more and more... free agency will give us an indication of what they're going to do in the draft, if CB is still a big need by the time the draft comes around, Waynes will be the guy, IMO.

 

The thing is, the way Waynes is solidifying himself as the top corner, couldn't he be gone by 14? Some team might possibly move up to get him...

 

What do you mean?

 

Tough choice.

Wish I had higher resolution on where DGB will be drafted. If I knew he's available in the 2nd round then I go for Waynes.

 

Waynes ran a 4.35 and 4.32.

Probably put himself out of reach of that #14 pick too.

 

I think Mike Tannenbaum is going to want to make his mark on this Draft and one way he'll do that is probably through trading. He has a very strong history of trading up for the guy they like, and that was something that got Steve Ross' blood flowing in 2013 when the Dolphins went up to #3 overall to get the guy supposedly everyone wanted. Maybe it didn't work out but it was something I think he liked anyway.

I think the chances are strong that Tannenbaum will move up or move down. He's probably operating with similar philosophies as Ozzie Newsome when it comes to taking the best available player but manipulating your draft position such that the best available player is a guy you need.

 

I hope so...Ireland's sploosh was funky...Tannenbaum / Hickey can do better IMHO.

Edit: I meant to quote your post right above mine CK.

 

I think there are several big type of receivers in this draft who could turn out to be pretty good.

 

Thanks for elaborating. If they/he can be anything like Newsome has been than we are in for a nice ride.

I think we probably need to add "Team Captain" to the list of check marks for the draft. I think Hickey took 3 last year.

 

Waynes in the first, Devin Smith in the 2nd?

 

I loves me some DGB too man...big time. If we get him, I'll let Tannenbaum have my babies.

 

Holy crap, good catch. I did not remember that. Assuming good players I love me some team captain/leader types.