Suh or no Suh? That is the question.

Well thank you for your service, but my response to this particular post was not directed to you. It was directed to the individual who compared hatred of an opposing football player to an enemy in war.

As someone in the military, you should be able to see the ridiculous comparison in these two unrelated situations.

 

Miscommunication, my apologies.

 

I think he could be that piece your talking about...any player that makes all the players and their jobs around him easier is worth it.

 

No problem, we all make mistakes. Again, while we may not agree on this issue, I sincerely appreciate your comments and your service to our country.

 

Thank you for your service as well, if it wasnt for you guys I wouldnt be here to serve our country today.

 

I understood your analogy. I just didn't think your analogy was relevant to the discussion.

As as far your question regarding maturity and how it relates to hating an athlete or a sports team. My belief is that a mature individual would recognize the absurdity of hating someone who plays a game for a living.

Perhaps I am just more selective in deciding those things I choose to hate than others are. I love football but not enough to cause me to hate opposing teams or players.

If you to hate someone who plays a game for a living, that is on you. As far as maturity is concerned. I know some individuals who are more mature in their early 20's than people in their 50's and 60's. It isn't about age as much as it is about seeing things from more than one perspective.

 

Good, so you're admitting this isn't about "young people". That's all my initial post was about.

And the analogy was relevant to this discussion because I was describing how I think (not how YOU think) about Brady, and also because it points out that this discussion shouldn't be about just "respect" vs "hate", but one where both are possible.

 

That is exactly how I felt about the guys from WW11 and Korea when I served. It is because of all those who have fought and died that we are able to get on here and express our viewpoint without fear our comments will be held against us.

We may not agree on all issues, but we will always agree that our country is worth fighting for when the cause is just.

Hopefully your tour will be a save one and you will return to be a Dolphin fan and a Patriots hater for many years to come.

 

Okay, I think we have finally come to an understanding . I appreciate you taking time to clarify you comments and I apologize for any comment I might have made which offended you.

 

No offense taken.

 

Dj,

There are at least three nude beaches in Maui and possibly more. My wife and I have walked on just about every beach in Maui over the years and we have certainly been exposed to the nudity on some of these beaches.

After you are there for a while, it almost feels uncomfortable to have your clothes on. You almost feel like a pervert standing around looking at all the nude beach goers, while you don't want to join the crowd by removing your own clothes.

I have no interest at my age of being nude in public, so my wife and I don't walk on nude beaches anymore.

Given a choice of visiting a nude beach or playing a round of golf at one of the great courses here in Maui, I'll stick with a round of golf. I think I probably look a lot better in my golf attire than I do in nothing.

I also prefer the golf course to laying on the beach, but as you stated, the water is beautiful here in Maui.

 

Of course he would help, but is he the guy that makes us a contender?

 

yes, I love the game..shot an 89 at ft lauderdale country club over christmas..

anyways..I believe we will make Suh an offer...whether he wants to be here who knows, it is an acquired taste.

 

Detroit has so much money tied up in Stafford and Megatron, its nearly impossible for them to pay Suh and expect to field a full 53 man roster.

 

Don't get me wrong. I would love nothing more than to sign Suh. I would just be totally shocked if he had several offers, which I believe he will have, and he picked the Dolphins over other teams.

I just think that with the question marks concerning Philbin and the coaching staff going into next season. Suh would probably be more interested in playing for a team with a more stable coaching situation.

If Ross had fired Philbin and hired a new HC, I believe the Dolphins would have had a better opportunity to sign Suh.

 

The greatest thing about golf is that it is the one game you can play in your later life and still be as competitive as you were in your younger years.

While I no longer hit it as far as I did 20 years ago, I was as low as a 2 handicap in my 30's and now at age 65, I am still a 4 handicap. What I've lost in distance over the years, I have made up for with an improved short game and smarter play during the round.

Of course getting to play five or six rounds a week doesn't hurt in regards to getting in a lot of play in an effort to keep the game sharpe.

 

I didn't meant to imply he is all we need and whammy were in the playoffs, just that he is as good as player as we're gonna ever aquire in this era..

As far as him as a leader, and why on earth would they let him test the market, well, those are just things we don't have enough Info on to make an accurate assessment, I think from what I've seen and heard, its all good, I don't see a problem, he gets nasty on the field a bit, but I've been watching the league for a long time, what he does is nothing relative to old school football...I mean he's just got a nasty streak on the field..

But man dude, he's so damn good, like dpoty good.

 

There is no doubt he is by far the best player available in free agency this off season. In fact he may be the best player available in free agency in years.

Whatever team does eventually sign him will go a long way toward instantly improving their overall defense.
He is the type of dominant player coaches like Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson would have certainly gone after in free agency. In fact I even believe Saban would have created whatever cap room was necessary to try and sign Suh.

I just don't think Philbin wants anything to do with Suh. He is probably scared that Suh will create more of a problem for him personally by throwing his chewing gum wrappers on the field and we all know how much Philbin hates anyone that litters.

Philbin has shown in his time with the Dolphins that he prefers the high character mediocre players over the highly talented players who don't always act in the manner Philbin demands they do on his team.

 

The Dolphins have been nothing but mediocre the past six years without a defensive player as talented as Suh. They have wasted millions of dollars on free agents who have signed big contracts and never played up to these contracts.

Suh has proven over his time in the league that he is one of the top defensive linemen in the entire league. To me, signing him to a huge contract is not a risk at all in regards to his ability on the field. The only risk I see is that there is always the chance he could have a serious injury playing the game and that would make signing him to a huge contract a liability.

Of course a serious injury could happen with any player in the NFL and yet that hasn't prevented teams from signing their best players to huge contracts.

The Dolphins have a recent history of signing free agents who haven't worked out, but when it comes to signing Suh to a big contract. He is one player I am not worried about in the least when it comes to his playing ability or his desire to be the best at his position.

No matter what it might cost them to sign him. I think he will be worth every cent he will be paid in his next contract. I would much rather pay him the big bucks to come to Miami and be a great player, than resign Odrick and watch him remain the mediocre player he has been since being drafted by the Dolphins.

 

I think we had a player on his level and let him go in order to save money.

They won't spend that much.

 

Suh could have easily propelled us into the playoffs this last season. Anyone think that making life that much harder for Manning, Rodgers, and Stafford wouldn't have made a difference in those close games? Not a given, but highly likely. We also may not have gotten gashed on the ground so badly later in the season.

I am of the belief that you build thru the draft and not spend big thru FA but, I gotta say this is one of the few exceptions. In fact, I think Suh actually allows you to concentrate on building thru the draft, as his presence will help everyone around him. I salivate at the thought of a player like Shaq Thompson playing behind Suh. Between that and a potentially killer pass rush, would it even matter who our CB's are in that senario?

 

You are correct, you have a much higher opinion of Odrick than I do. I think he is mediocre at best. Also in your scenario, you are assuming that the Dolphins will be able to hit on a NT in the draft who can come in and make an immediate impact on defense.

There is no way of being assured a rookie would come in and make that type of impact. All you have to do is look at Jordan. He was the first defensive player taken in the draft two years ago and we still have no idea if he will ever be a starter in the NFL and his impact over the first two years for the Dolphins defense has been minimal at best.

With Suh, you know from day one that you are getting one of the best defensive players in the entire NFL. He will come in and make an immediate impact for the defensive line and this will only improve the overall defense IMO.

Odrick is not an impact player and to me, Suh is worth paying the money he will be looking for in free agency. Odrick on the other hand is probably seeking a contract which will pay him as if he is one of the top defensive lineman in the league and he just isn't that type player.

I would much rather spend the cap money on an impact player like Suh and let some other team overpay for a mediocre player like Odrick.

 

I totally agree that to be a good team, you must build through the draft. My wish would be that the Dolphins would never have to sign anyone but their own players in free agency. This would mean that these players were quality draft picks and worth the money once they reached their free agency period.

Unfortunately the Dolphins have been ineffective in the draft for much of the past decade and they have tried to cover up these bad drafts by overpaying players in free agency. While they have had some success with players they sign in free agency. They have had more failures and wasted millions in cap space on players who just weren't very good.

The bad drafts, along with mixed results in free agency and uninspired coaching is the reason this has been a mediocre franchise for so long.

While my preference is to build through the draft. I just see Suh as the type of impact player this defense needs. He is still young enough to be a player to build the future around and his signing instantly upgrades one area of the defense which regressed last season.

He is the one player in free agency which I feel is worth the money it will take to sign him. I would be happy to see them sign Suh and Clay and build the rest of the team through this years draft and with veteran free agents who would be willing to sign cap friendly contracts to play next season.

With all the needs the Dolphins have on this team, I think it is going to take at least two exceptional drafts to fill most of these needs with younger players and a few quality veteran players.

I don't see next year being any better record wise than the past two seasons, but with quality drafts in 2015 and 2016, the Dolphins should be able to be a legitimate playoff contender within the next couple of years.

 

Mortensen was reporting that the Lions were going to resign him more than likely, which is what I've always thought would happen but we will have to wait and see. I still don't see him making it to free agency.

 

$100 million for a defensive player is too rich for my blood. Suh is a great player, but that's too risky of an investment for a volatile and temperamental player that's already 28 years old.

I think my max offer would be around 5 years and $65M, but that's likely not enough to even solicit a conversation with Suh's agent.

 

If Philbin is smart he will sign Suh and Draft DGB an everyone else he can get to try and save his job

 

I figured we'd probably learn our lesson by now on spending big money on veteran free agents. Dansby, Marshall, Wallace, Ellerbe, Wheeler, Gibril Wilson, Finnegan, etc...how many of them worked out for us? even Branden Albert got hurt last season after we paid him big money.

I just get the biggest gut feeling that if were to sign Suh to big money (roughly $100mil), then it will be a repeat Albert Haynesworth/Washington situation.

 

I kinda want to see what the Seahawks d would look like with suh!


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Albert Haynesworth wouldn't make a pimple on Suhs @%& he will make a difference wherever he goes.

Jamarcus Russel and Haynesworth have to be two of the most overpaid flops ever.

 

that's easy to say that now. But, I bet in '09 you weren't thinking the same about Albert. Fact of the matter is, we continue to overpay veterans who have had good careers, then eventually come to die in Miami. I rather save the cap room and build our team through the draft, which is a younger and cheaper alternative. Not to mention, we bring in guys that learn our system from the beginning, rather than a player that has been playing in a different system for the last few years and trying to convert them.

History doesn't lie. We always go after big named Free Agents and pay the top dollar, but it never works out in our favor.