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Stadium Remodel Begins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    um, when they reconfigured joe robbie for baseball the upper deck wasn't changed... so how is the original upper deck, of the original stadium that was built for only football too wide? that's just how it was built back in the 80's.
     
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  3. Coral Reefer

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    The stadium was NOT built for football only.
    That has been the issue from day 1.
    The biggest issue was not baseball.
    The biggest issue of the stands being too far from the field was because of Joe Robbie wanting to attract International soccer events. The wider field of the soccer matches along with a desire for large sideline ares for those teams is what caused the excess width of the stands to the field.

    I know a lot of people are intrigued by this project but the more that comes out on it the less excited I am.
    This isn't just lipstick on a pig as I had originally thought.
    There's more to this that will make the homefield advantage even worse than it has been IMO regardless of the lower level seats being moved closer.
    The stadium is losing 11,000 seats with the move and there is a stark increase in box seats and high price seating which are out of reach of the average fan.
    So you're losing seating for the true fan base and replacing it with more Corp. entertainment seating.
    Another issue is long time season ticket holders are getting displaced 2-3 sections over from where they had seats for decades and they feel slighted.
    One friend of mine has had 20 yard line lower level seats for over 20 years and has been told it's likely he will be bumped up to the upper deck.
    This project is yet another poorly handled issue by the organization.
    Shame really.
     
  4. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    A soccer field is only 7 yards wider than a football field. So that's 3.5 yards on both sides. I'm guessing NFL teams need more than 3.5 yards just for their gear.
     
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  5. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

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  6. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I saw a bunch of pics of that but never saw the "#13". Now I know why they saved that one.
     
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  7. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    This...
     
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  8. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Yeah, but he said International soccer events. Those can typically range in the 70-80 yard wide range, which is why Robbie had it made extra wide.
     
  9. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I thought it was built the way it was to allow baseball as well? Horrible idea.
     
  10. Unlucky 13

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    Baseball and soccer both. But remember, back then, there were a lot of different multi-use stadiums. At the time it was built in 87, off the top of my head Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Houston, Los Angeles, San Diego, Philly, Minnesota, Atlanta, San Francisco and Seattle ALL were multi sport stadiums. Washington and Chicago (Wrigley) had been in the not too distant past. JRS was built in this vast window where very few NFL stadiums were being built for years before or afterwards. By the time other teams starting building about five years later, then the trend towards one sport took off. We were, unfortunately, kind of last on board with the old trend and got stuck with it.
     
  11. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    rofl. it was NOT intended for baseball at ALL.... it cost a lot of money to make it able to accommodate baseball... If it were built to have baseball the centerfield gap wouldn't have been 600ft deep with a Bermuda triangle fence.....
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know right, not only was it the worst football stadium in the league, it was the worst baseball digs in the league...

    I don't give them any slack on how bad they fu##ed up this franchise, they had just left the Orange bowl and forgot everything about what made that building special..everything..

    Putting lipstick on this pig will never make up for what they took from both programs..
     
  13. Coral Reefer

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    Thanks for clarifying.
    It's amazing people are trying to argue against the reason why the stadium was build with stands so far from the field.
    This isn't a theory. It's a fact.
     
  14. Zach13

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    Agreed. This is all about revenue. The loss of 11,000 seats will definitely be felt on game day.

    I have had seats going back to the OB. We are on the home team side in the lower bowl at the 10 yd line. I am in a similar situation as your friend. If we get displaced to worse seats, because the people that used to sit between the 30's are taking our seats, we will very likely cancel our season tickets.

    I would probably switch to going a few times a year and watch the other games at home or at Bokampers.
     
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  15. Nappy Roots

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    You really think its going to be loss with losing those seats? 90% of the time we had thousands of empty seats anyways. Loudest stadium in the league is like 12K less seating then last years Sun Life. We will be fine.
     
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  16. Zach13

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    Absolutely it will be a loss on some days.
    Both due to the # of seats lost and the fact that the new plan replaces regular seats with club seats down low by the field.
    On days when we there were thousands of empty seats there won't be a difference - I agree with you.

    But, on days when the old stadium was full, like last year's Pats game, it will definitely make a difference.

    That will likely be even more noticeable the next time we make the playoffs. JRS was actually rocking in 2000 when the Fins beat the Colts in the playoffs.
     
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  17. Fin D

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    What is the reasoning behind there being a difference when the stadium is sold out? Is there a contract people have to sign to not scream and yell and cheer if they buy those seats?
     
  18. Zach13

    Zach13 Season Ticket Holder

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    There will be over 10,000 fewer people to scream. There will also be lower density between the 30's on the home side. I would also bet that the new people occupying these club seats will be less likely to stand and yell than the people there in prior years..
     
  19. Fin D

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    The 72 Club is taking up 10,000 seats?
     
  20. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, but 10,000 seats in total are being removed for the scoreboards and for the lower bowl being closer to the field on the sidelines. The 72 Club does look like it goes underneath the stands, and fans can go down to the sideline according to the PDF that Disgustipate posted last month, so that area will be less dense in terms of "butts in seats", but the 10,000 overall decrease is more structure-related than the 72 Club itself, mainly in the corners of the upper and lower bowls.

    Edit - Ah, I did bookmark it. http://www.thefinsiders.com/wp-cont...a-91a7-db11-bf8d-000bdba91a39&cm_medium=email
     
  21. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Losing fans in the corners is the least impactful removal there is, due to their distance from the field. You can have 10 million fans 12 miles away from the stadium, and it wouldn't matter a bit. Proximity to the field is very important when considering this. They are removing the least impactful seats relative to noise level, and are increasing the total number of seats in the lower bowl, even with the 72 club section (which itself only makes a difference of 480 total fans in a 30k+ lower bowl). The lower bowl is adding more total fans, which will increase noise level. Plus, the roof will help trap in noise, in addition to keeping fans more fresh and less burnt out from the sun/heat... so the overall noise level will be increasing dramatically... even though the total max capacity will be less. Again, the loudest stadium in the country only has a capacity of 67,000. Its not just about total seats. Its about proximity of the sound generation to where it is received and acoustics.
     
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  22. Zach13

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    Think KC now has the record.
    They had 76,000 people yelling.
    It beat 67,000 people yelling, even with the architectural considerations.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    where did you get that number 480 in place of what the new structure would be offering if it was all on piece...?
     
  24. Da 'Fins

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    The key really is fan proximity to the field and the acoustic structure of the stadium. The Dolphins really needed to move more in further. There is a struggle on the lower level - if the actually push the whole level closer - with the sight lines from the boxes (though they might even be able to change that a bit - push them out further on one side).

    But, if the "seats closer to the field" is only by changing the angle and adding more at the bottom - that isn't going to really make a big difference.

    I don't really care about whether it's 80K or 65K - I've been in stadiums with 50K that were louder than Joe Robbie (and I've experienced relatively loud games for the stadium - Monday Night win over KC in the 90's; but still, nothing compared to other stadiums).
     
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  25. MikeHoncho

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    Well deserved. Love absolutely everything about Arrowhead.
     
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  26. smahtaz

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    It should have been #12 and #13.

    One QB with sick stats and another with 2 titles.
     
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  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the pics are making it look more flattering that it will look in person, you still are gonna have 70% of the seats exactly where they are except for these two precasts protruding..

    I'm still happy for any changes that moves seats closer but the could of been's are driving me insane.
     
  28. FinNasty

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    Just doing the math. It's a rough estimate based on how many seats are in the 72 Section and how many are in the other "regular" sections between the two 72 Sections. The 72 Section appears to be 2 sections of 8 rows of 8 seats each... for a total of around 128 seats. The sections in between are 16 seats per row, and somewhere between 18-20 rows (hard to tell). If it is 18 rows, the total difference if the 72 Section didn't exist would be 448. If it is 20 rows, the difference would be 512. So, ball park you're looking at about a total difference of around 480 if regular seats were in that spot instead of the 72 Section.
     
  29. smahtaz

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  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    its still a ridiculous idea and I can't believe your defending it..it has no business in that area, and would not of affected one damn thing as far as superbowls or events coming to the venue..but it does lessen our home field advantage, that we never had, and tried to somewhat get now, but not quite...idiots.
     
  31. Coral Reefer

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    A contract not to scream? Good lord....

    It has to do with the concept of replacing regular "blue collar fan" type seating with high priced corporate client entertainment seating.
    These types of seats generally are not snapped up by your rabid fan type. You've got disengaged corp. guests or people more concerned with being seen than what's going on in the actual game. The increase of these types of areas will only lessen the home field advantage on game day.

    For all the discussion about the architecture of Joe Robbie being a problem for the home field advantage one of the other factors which caused for a less raucous atmosphere at games once the Phins moved was the replacement of thousands of regular fan seating with much higher priced club seating which again displaced thousands of average rabid fans with a different less involved fan. It was noticeable from game 1 after moving there.

    So not only are they taking away over 10,000 regular fan seats but they are replacing even more of your average fan seating areas for more "status and prestige" seating.
     
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  32. Zach13

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    These people will also have access to clubs under the stadium seats. That actually encourages them not to be in their seats.
    Stupid.
     
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  33. vt_dolfan

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    Little story that kind of goes with what DJ is saying:

    For my bachelors party I had the opportunity to go to a Red Sox game at Fenway and sit in the .406 Club, which at the time was glass inclosed and directly behind home plate, just up high. It had a swanky hard wood bar...plush seats....gorgeous bathrooms....and NO ATMOSPHERE WHAT SO EVER. All of the corporates were congregated around the bar....not even watching the game. There was no cheering...it was awful. I hated it to be honest. I hope thats not the case with these seats...smack dab right in the middle of everything.

    This is Fenway park mind you, Red Sox fans are renown...and the .406 club was almost an embarrassment.
     
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  34. Fin D

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    I dunno, I think there's plenty of rabid fans with money that will buy OUTDOOR club seats. I think that is the key difference here. Corporate types like the amenities of typical indoor club seating...ac, bar, service, tvs, etc.
     
  35. FinNasty

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    DJ... if it was going to reduce the lower bowl by thousands of fans, I'd be right there will you. But when we're talking about only 480 people out of thirty thousand... I honestly do not believe there is a discernible difference in noise between 30,000 and 30,480. I really don't. Especially based on the location (only being on one side, and near mid-field. Not in the redzone, etc).

    As far as the idea itself, I think the concept is awesome, and if I ever got a free ticket to one of those seats it would be amazing. I love going to games, watching and cheering with thousands of people, singing the fight song after touchdowns, talking smack to opposing fans, etc. I’m the ******* who doesn’t like to sit down, is waiving at everyone in my section to stand up and get loud on 3rd downs, and am losing my voice by the 3rd quarter. But broadcasts of games are honestly phenomenal these days… shoot me for liking them. You see so much more with slow mo replays, breakdowns of how teams are attacking each other, etc. There is just too much going on and at too fast of a speed with 22 players spread across 50 square yards to see everything. You can’t. And broadcasts do a great job at helping highlight a lot of the stuff you miss just sitting in the stands. Plus, there are things like injuries, etc… where you’re left completely in the dark. Lastly, there is SOOOOOOOO much down time between plays and with TV timeouts, etc… when at a game. Broadcasts do a great job filling that space with highlights, replays, breakdowns, etc. When I go to games, I usually try (unsuccessfully) to bring some sort of a radio in order to listen to a broadcast to get some of that broadcast info… but radio signal usually blows and I give up on it quickly.

    These seats give you the best of both worlds. A TV with the broad cast and ability to watch replays as you choose… helping you see a lot more of the game, stay updated with injuries, and fill the gap between all of the down time between plays, during timeouts, etc with coverage on the game… while getting the live experience watching the game with thousands of fellow fans, still being able to scream your lungs out, talk smack to opposing fans, etc.

    I honestly feel these seats are great in a small dose, so that they don’t impact home field advantage. And I don’t feel they do. But they offer an amazing experience that I’d love to have at least once in my life…
     
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  36. resnor

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    I've been to a couple Dolphins games at Gillette, and been to a number of Red Sox games at Fenway. I hold to my belief, that if you want to experience a game, go to the stadium...BUT, if you want to WATCH the game, there is no replacing sitting on your couch watching it broadcast in HD, with the commentary and the replays.
     
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  37. vt_dolfan

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    I agree there....Res...

    The few games Ive seen the Phins at Gillette, I actually walked down to the standing room only area....when you sit up high you cant even hear the fwack of the pads hitting. Wasnt like that at the old Fox stadium though
     
  38. MikeHoncho

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    Any news?
     
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    New seat brackets going in...
     
  40. Itsdahumidity

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    Coming along...

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