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Ndamukong Suh Cap hit

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Jt0323, Mar 11, 2015.

  1. Jt0323

    Jt0323 Fins Up! Luxury Box

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    http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachp...p-hit-6-million-in-2015-28-6-million-in-2016/
     
  2. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    2016

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  3. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    had to know it was coming with the pennies we're pinching this year but dayum.
     
  4. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Seems well played. I'm glad he was willing to push off that measly $28 million or so until next year. No biggie. Meh.
     
  5. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Dolphins had a lot of cap space next season, even before cutting all the people they cut. Not worried.
     
  6. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    nice job tannenbaum
     
  7. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    I believe his 2016 will be similar to his 2014 cap hit vs Detroit. they managed
     
  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    They must have something really fancy up their sleeves with RT, Pouncey, Miller, ect coming up for 2016 too. Perhaps doing something along the same lines with RT, dumping his big hit year into 2017.
     
  9. cbrad

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    lol.. This is the Wallace effect. Massive cap hit for one player in one year forcing similar contracts to other players in subsequent years? Let's see how far this domino effect goes!
     
  10. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    So it's not really 60 million guaranteed the first 3 years like it first reported? Most of it is signing bonus which he will have to earn through the five years of his contract... that's good.. I'm sure we will be able to restructure that contract after year 3
     
  11. Tannephins

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  12. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    dolphins had something like 40 mil to spend going into next year(pre suh signing, cuts, restructures etc) and with another increase coming for 2016 you minds well take the biggest hit when you have the most money.
     
  13. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    2016 is also the year that Tannehill, Pouncey, Clay, Vernon, will need new deals. It's going to be a serious challenge.
     
  14. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    Wallace, Wake and Ellerbe cap hits for 2016 account for over $31 million. Not to mention another $8.25M from Jones if necessary. Extending Tannehill, Pouncey and Vernon not going to be easy though. Gonna have to make some sacrifices.
     
  15. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    All that projected cap space is due in large part to Tannehill, Vernon, Pouncey, and Miller not having contracts on the books in 2016. You hand out extensions to Tannehill and Pouncey, add in Suh and that cap space goes bye-bye in a hurry.
     
  16. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Until we signed Suh...the only player that was signed into 2018 was Albert. 2017 wasn't much better as most of those contracts were going away.

    So they can sign these guys..it's just a matter of:

    A) Figuring out who truly is part of your core for the next 4-5 years and moving on from those that will command more money then they are worth.
    B) Contract structure
    C) Moving on from Wallace, Wake, Ellerbe etc. In fact it may be prudent to find a LT replacement to take over for Albert in the next couple seasons.
    D) Since there are only a couple players signed into 2018. Drafting becomes a priority for the next few years as you'll have to maximize lower cost players to mix around your core.
     
  17. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Usually contracts are backloaded. It shouldn't be super difficult. Clay may not even be on the roster and Vernon hasn't earned a substantial payday anyway.
     
  18. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Agents have caught on to backloaded contracts. If Clay's worth 7+ million then Vernon may be worth 8-9. Hickey has his work cut out for him.
     
  19. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    What has Vernon done to earn 8-9? His pass rushing efficiency isn't very good. He had one fluke season of coverage sacks. Despite Vernon's double digit sack totals, Dion Jordan graded higher in his rookie season in PRE. If someone pays 8-9 million for his services, it had better not be Miami... Let him go ala Kenny Mixon and Lorenzo Bromell.

    As far as agents catching on to back loaded deals, that's standard operating procedure. Salaries escalate year to year generally. Because the NFL doesn't fully guarantee contracts, teams don't want to overpay if things don't work out. Front loading contracts also presents a problem for teams when in the later years of a contract, players want to hold out for more (Lance Briggs for example). I don't see that changing or being a problem. Guaranteed money is far more important as well. As long as that number is right, agents will be flexible on the details.
     
  20. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    These guys are like car salesmen, they will work the numbers until they get what they want.
     
  21. Zounds

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    If we can make it through next year, we will be fine. We can cut him after 2017 without enormous consequences if we have to. 2016 is looking like a tough cap year for us though, and we have guys like Tannehill, Miller, and Vernon coming up on paydays.
     
  22. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    60 million guaranteed, looking at the numbers posted they don't seem correct

    Here's how Suh's contract, the richest ever for a defensive tackle, is structured:

    In 2015, Suh gets a $25.5 million signing bonus and $985,000 base salary that's fully guaranteed.
    In 2016, Suh has a base salary of $23.485 million that's fully guaranteed.
    In 2017, Suh has a base salary of $9.985 million that's fully guaranteed.
    In 2018, Suh has a $16.985 million base salary, of which $8.5 million becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the league year.
    In 2019, Suh has an $18.985 million base salary, of which $9.5 million becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the league year.
    In 2020, Suh has an $18.36 million base salary, of which $8.5 million becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the league year.
    Suh also has $15,000 workout bonuses every year. In Detroit, he participated in most OTAs and mandatory minicamps, but did not take part in early off-season workouts or last year's voluntary minicamp.

    Suh has a signing bonus each year of 5,100,000, spread out over 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.

    Cap hit is a s follows:

    2015 6,085,000
    2016 28,600,000
    2017 15,100,000
    2018 22,100,000
    2019 24,100,000
    2020 18,375,000
     

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