Wallace and 7th round pick traded to Vikings for 5th

This.

In addition to this, we also have to take into account that young players improve.
Clear examples: When Dustin Keller went down a couple of years ago we thought we had an extremely weak TE unit, then Charles Clay stepped up. When Ellerbe went down, Jelani Jenkins came out of nowhere and surprised everyone. Case in point, we can't rule out the younger guys... we have some talented guys at positions who just might be ready to step up and surprise... just because we apparently haven't "upgraded" a spot with someone outside the team doesn't mean there isn't already an upgrade on the roster.

 

Check the cap space we have vs the FAs still remaining vs the current depth chart and do the math.

Its never going to add up. Which is why we will have more young/unproven players playing than we've had in several years. That's not a bad thing, Jordan, Taylor, Matthews may step in and step up the way James, Landry, Miller, Jenkins did last year. Who knows?

I've said many times it's too early, wait till the roster is finished, theres lots of work left to be done, etc. And people are chafing like I'm interrupting their championship parade. Wtf have we won?

 

Maybe so. But it sure beats watching college backetball

 

Are you assuming that we won't add any more players to the roster?

Also, would you have preferred we keep Smith, Colledge, Hartline, Gibson, Ellerbe and Wheeler with their big contracts?

I mean is there anyone in our fanbase that thought we would be keeping Hartline, Gibson, Ellerbe and Wheeler? Everyone knew they were goners. So I don't know what the big deal is there.

When I look at the reason we lost football games last year, I think it came down to a few factors:

1) We couldn't stop the run. Teams imposed their will on us. Once Denver figured out the blueprint and other teams followed suit, we were exposed and dead in the water. The LB's you referenced, outside of Trusnik, were all part of the problem or non-contributors. Adding Suh immediately changes that and helps improve our pass rush. If we can stop the run and force teams to beat us throwing the ball. Well, that's a match up I'll take all day with Wake, Vernon, Mitchell and Suh.

2) Blocking. We were inconsistent running the ball and in our pass protection. Pouncy is a major upgrade over Satele and Colledge and Smith were just bodies. They were part of the problem. We obviously need to draft and/or add a player via FA. Grade incomplete at this point. If Turner can develop(which I assume is what the coaches are expecting by these moves) and Albert remain healthy(that is a big IF), we may be better on the OL without any additional moves.

3) Red Zone TD's. Reference point 2 as part of the problem. We couldn't get yards on the ground when it mattered putting us in a difficult situation on the goal line. Teams knew we had to pass and we left a lot of points on the board. Then you factor that we had several small and short WR's that weren't serious red zone threats.

Cameron is a big target and immediately improves our ability to score TD's. If we can resign Clay, now we've created match up nightmares for teams. I think we still need to add a WR in the draft and FA. I think when you look at the dead money we had with that group(poor ROI), we've improved our situation. This doesn't even factor that we got rid of a quitter. Quitting on your team when you're one of the highest paid players on that team is unacceptable in my book. They should have cut his a** the next day but they managed to squeeze out a 5th rounder for him. I say addition by subtraction there.

I appreciate the different perspectives and the fun banter back and forth but I think we need to let this play out before we jump to conclusions. This may be a bad offseaon. Then again, it may be the offseason that gets us over the hump.

 

We have to add at least 8 or more with 11 million

 

Wholly smoke folks...we're 5 days into the NFL year...give Tannenhickey at least until after the draft before you start complaining about holes not filled and the guys they've acquired are or are not better than what we had...

 

IMO, it is not a bad beginning to a marathon. Also, people always get excited during the offseason. Unless you are a Saint fan or a 49er fan, you should be pumped.

 

That is assuming we don't lock down Pouncey which could decrease his cap number and Clay's contract (if signed) is going to count as $7 million against the cap this year.

 

I think you are confusing me with someone else. That said, if the bpa at 6 is White or Cooper, I don't think they will pass on them because they are worried about upsetting Marshall.

 

You don't think they are going to go defense? While I think White and Cooper are great prospects, they don't seem like top 10 wide receiver talent. There are still some defensive players who are top 10 talents available.

 

I think they will go QB if Mariotta is available or one of the WR. They will look for a pass rusher in the next rounds. Just my opinion. The defense is pretty set.

 

lets streamline this debate, who are you upset that is not a dolphin?

cause there could only be three, the rest were garbage...wallace..starks..odrick..

well, lets cancel starks and odick out for suh don't ya think..?

stills for wallace and taking the wallace contact off the books to free up some 5 mill cash..

so your worried about replacing wheeler, jimmy wilson, daryn colledge, shelly smith, ellerbe?

 

Wilson could play in the slot at either safety position and was solid on special teams. Not bad for a 7th round pick. McCain, I keep hearing how he's better than JW but who's actually watched him play?

 

You're right. I apologize. I confused you with that idiot "Darrelle Revis". Still, why draft a WR at 6 when you've got Decker and Marshall? You're just asking for problems. Wouldn't it be better to trade down? Surely the Jets have more needs.

 

I'm mainly concerned about MLB, FS, CB. Also depth at RB, WR, OL.

 

I hope you're right. I think you're right.

 

Marshall is older and Decker is over priced. I see neither as a reason to not draft White or Cooper

 

thank you

I wish guys would take a serious look at the $$$$. Piston is correct. The numbers will not add up. The roster will be young with several inexpensive players, which to me seems to indicate a extraordinary need for great coaching. AAAHHHHHMMMMMM!!!!

 

for how much money is that going to cost

8 to 10 million a season?

 

I'm pumped to a certain extent. They've done a great job of jettisoning bad contracts, that's going to pay off later on but St the expense of perhaps taking a small step backwards in the short term.

 

McCain gave up a 72.5 QBR in his area last year. Jimmy Wilson 129.5. Brice also played a couple hundred more snaps. Jimmy was only marginally alright in 2013..rest of his time here he's played poorly. He'll be like Nolan Carroll. Gone and forgotten.

McCain is a solid slot option that Houston kept trying to play on the outside. His best year in Houston by far he mostly played in the slot. So as long as the team doesn't try to make him a boundary guy and keep him strictly as a slot guy...we got a good one.

 

When it comes to position coaching, I think Miami is in really good shape. Arguably the only coach that might not be good at his job is the quarterback coach. However, Tannehill has been getting help from Marino and has him to pick his brain.

The only coach on Miami I am not happy with is the head coach. I don't know enough about the defensive coach, however so far he seems fine.

 

We will see. A team like Baltimore is always in the hunt because younger players continually step up.

Seahawks are one of the best teams in the league due to their draft picks hitting out.

For Miami to truly improve, they are going to need one of the defensive tackles to take a next step (I thought Anthony Johnson is a possibility), a cornerback to take the next step(Jamar Taylor has the talent and Finnegan was a good mentor to Davis and maybe even Aikens will turn out to be good) and an offensive lineman (I have faith in Turner)

You can't fill all your holes in free agency.

 

Do you mean Kevin Coyle, our DC? Or did I miss some context somewhere? Coyle was generally fine early on, but he too showed the inability to adjust near the end of the season after we had some key injuries.

 

Sorry, I forgot to put in the word, "line".

We have a new defensive line coach. I don't know much about him. The one we lost is someone who I think is excellent at his job and I am sad he is a Jet.

I think Coyle is a fine coach, just wish he was more flexible. I think a lot of our defensive problems was his inability to make things less complicated for the younger people who is out there.

 

Good stuff. Agree or not your posts are always on point DD.

Taylor has talent to burn, if only he can stay healthy. He was all over Demariyus Thomas before he hurt his shoulder. If he can give us a full season I def think he'll be an upgrade over Finnegan. Aikens is a good prospect too, gotta go back and study him @ NE, that was his only start. Then he got benched for violating team rules or some nonsense and we had friggin Kovacs out there smh. I'm guessing we'll sign Delmas or another vet if we don't take a S in the draft but Aikens may surprise and take the job.

Matthews is another guy I'd like to see get more PT. Big, physical, I wish I had the GIF of how he buried Revis last year. Hopefully he gets the offense down and earns the coaches' trust bc he can be a real asset.

Im in the minority here but I think Thomas can hold it down at either OG spot, if Turner can handle the other spot then all we need is some depth behind them. I know you like Williams at RB but of we can get a Moreno type to pair with Miller, re-sign Clay and spread the field w he and Cameron the run game will be ferocious, the way it was when we pulverized NE in week 1 last year.

That leaves MLB. Gotta either clear more cap space for a vet or take one early in the draft. I can't take another year of Misi playing inside, I'm sure Coyle would agree.

 

I would say the signing of mike thomas took care of jimmy ''i never earned how to tackle as a defensive payer'' wilson....mccain will be an upgrade over anyone we had in the nickel last year..So they both are great depth, and jamar taylor will have to battle a player that has not been placed on the team yet i would guess.

 

once again..mike thomas>jimmy wilson...mike is just as versatile..better player.

 

Why thank you. I enjoy reading your stuff as well, even if I can come off snarky in my replies. It is what I do.

IMO, I don't want Kovacs on the team. I am still sad we lost Kelcy McCray, who is a better lower level safety. Well as sad as you can be for a 4th string safety.

Matthews is weird to me. I guess the problem is I don't see the back ground stuff. When he is on the field I think he does well. In 2013, he stepped up and was a better slot than Gibson, while making 3 huge great catches that extended some very important drives. 2014 he seemed to make the most out of every opportunity.

I also agree about Thomas. IMO he was better than College at guard. He had a lot less drive killing plays than College.

I would like another back. Mostly because I don't believe in Gillese and I am fine with DT not being on the team anymore. I do think Duke Johnson is in the discussion with the 2nd round pick, or they are going to wait until more runningbacks are cut after the draft.

Remember, there are going to be some decent players cut right after the draft.

I loved Misi blitzing from inside. He was practically unstoppable. Honeslty if it wasn't for injuries I think Misi would be a fine MLB. Still I don't know who they can sign. There are a couple of MLBs worth taking in the draft as well.

I also hope they bring in another vet at DT or bring back Starks for a cheap price.

 

me too..

but all we need is 1 player per unit to really solidify those units.

so we need 6 players left to feel good about ourselves...lets say we set our goals to add three free agents and three draft picks to find those players..

lets also take a look at some of our back up plans and competition for the players we eventually bring in..

corner...jamar taylor just may take 1 off your list, if its me, and I knows he's healthy, he's going to be my starter.

inside backer..Misi..can play mike...2nd year..will be better.

safety..Delmas..his agent unequivocally said he will be ready, I would say this is a must position to fit a hi level talent in there regardless, Mike thomas may give it a run in preseason as well..Maybe mike and delmas can share the load, they both know the system now, maybe mike gives delmas some reps off.

receiver...absolutely...in order..Landry...Matthews..Stills....noone.. noone

oline...just one nice guard...Turner is the starter at one for sure.

and sidekick for Miller....shoot I would be giddy if we paired him up with josh robinson in the fourth..but i have a 3rd round grade on him so we have to do a little dealing and wheelin.

we have the draft..some trades, and vet cuts in camp...

we can do this man, pretty easily and have a good team..

 

mccain has explosive lateral quickness, good long speed as well, but he's got side hops man, sticky dude..good for the slot..and is a much better tackler...just like it was ok to let nolan carrol walk same for jimmy, cya.

 

I think were all a bit tempered with the reality that philbin will take us thru this roster turnover, but nothing we can do about it now, i think sun's intangibes will be the boss in this town..Weve got Lazor on offense taking care of them and holding them accountable, you got a young leader in landry, if we come out of the gates slow, fire his *** quickly and make lazor the interim, then see how the team responds to his leadership..

 

when the time comes Suh will restructure..hes smart and legacy is important to him.

 

I found this depth chart which is accurate and up to date as of yesterday.

Need to Guards, wide receivers, back up Qb, DT to back up Suh, etc

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/MIA

 

I hear ya, all good points. Despite the avalance of injuries last year If we had a Miller side kick we're a playoff team, I really believe that. GB, Denver, Detroit, NY, very winnable games if we could've kept pounding the rock.

Did you read Hyde's article today? Hickey was gunning for AD in the Wallace trade. OMG we would straight mash people if they'd pulled that off. I'm talkin 170+ yards a game on the ground, killer play action, defense on the sideline chillin for 33-35 minutes per 60, playing like rabid dogs when they come on the field. We definitely need a solid 1-2 at RB to max out on O, especially w the defenses we'll be facing in the division. NY and Buff are gonna have scary good stop units, NE is NE...

 

The time might be 2016, cap hit = 28 million.

 

Here is a depth chart which is updated often

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/MIA

 

I don't like Philbin, never have. He's set the franchise back several years w his ego battles vs Ireland and basically any player w a big ego. We shoulda done what Irish wanted, hire Mike McCoy, keep the 3-4, promote Bowles to run it, etc.

Still, I don't like to see a one guy take all the blame, it's the only reason I defend JP. This season we'll be playing a lot of new/young players so JP is either gonna coach em up or get the pink slip. I'm rooting for him.

 

That's a fair point but I still believe in trading down for more picks when you've got so many needs like everybody in the AFC East not named the Patriots. Even the Patriots do it.