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why keep Philbin?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Jersey Dolfan, Mar 15, 2015.

  1. Jersey Dolfan

    Jersey Dolfan Active Member

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    This team is obviously being gutted and re-faahioned in tannenbaum's image. I have made it known I am not a fan of his. We will see who is right in a few years

    That being said though, why even keep philbin if we are making so many changes anyway? Philbin is not a good HC. Why not let MT make the HC selection ??
     
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  2. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Because my sig.
     
  3. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    and since you made it already known, why start a new thread about it ?
     
  4. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'm not a big Ross fan, but your sig is just wrong. He is not the dumbest owner in sports, nor even the dumbest owner in the NFL. For you to say as much is really a baseless statement. Have you done an in depth analysis of every owner of a professional sports team before making such a declaration?
     
  5. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    And to think, Rex Ryan was available... That's going to haunt to us. Not only do we have to play Buffalo and his D twice a year, but we're stuck with Philbin for one more year and more than likely, someone lesser than Ryan next year. We have the QB and OC, all we had to do is pull the trigger. Shame.
     
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  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I would have fired Cautious Coach Joe at the end of the yr and not looked back.

    Let me get this straight, ol Joe cannot coach Marshall or Wallace, and we dumped Hartline b/c ol Joe, and of course we have two consecutive yrs of December collapses

    Uhm..why does that fella have a job in Miami again? What exactly is he bringing to the table..not to much at all
     
  7. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    Just want to point out in 6 years as HC Rex Ryan has the same win/loss ratio as Philbin which is below average.
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Looked at from a different pov, we lost Hartline, we lost Wallace, we probably are going to lose Clay.

    And replaced them with Cameron and Still, one has concussion issues the other is wildly unproven, and this is seen as upgrading?

    Philbin delenda est!
     
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  9. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    Ross thought about it but thinking about canning Joe made him queasy.
     
  10. fins104

    fins104 New Member

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    The biggest indictment of Philbin is not only that the players so clearly do not play for him and he does not motivate them adequately enough, but 3 years into his tenure here can we all agree on one thing he does well or does that impacts the team in a positive way? No

    Certain coaches can out game plan you, others can motivate their players, others can get the most out of their players, and some can take character concerns and right them. Philbin on the other hand doesn't look like he game plans at all, he isn't motivating anything, gets the least out of his players, and cuts anyone who might potentially disagree with him.

    It was absolutely idiotic at the time for him to return and it still is idiotic. Like it or not its gonna end up sending this franchise back a year once this year is over and he inevitably does something that gets him fired, we are gonna have to wait yet another year for the new head coach to put his system and style in next year. Its an idiotic move for an idiotic owner. Not firing him and not hiring Rex Ryan was not smart at all.
     
  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Cautious Coach Joe in a paragraph, he does manage to develop young players, after they sit for a yr, otherwise see no real ability in the man to lead a team
     
  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I think its borderline insane to not see how this coaching staff has developed talent on this team.
     
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  13. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Dallas Thomas and a host of young Cb's would like to have a word with you FinD
     
  14. fins104

    fins104 New Member

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    They also haven't developed a ton of talent. Guys who were supposed to be starters. JAmar Taylor, Will Davis, Dallas Thomas are all guys that were supposed to have an impact and 2 years in we don't even know if they will be on the roster this year. Dion Jordan was a guy they moved up for and can't even get him on the field.

    Its not only that they can't develop talent its that they don't use their players in the positions that benefit them the most. For example its unthinkable with how bad our lb.'s have been the last 2 years and with Dion Jordans athleticism that they couldn't have used him more in the last two years. We are just such a poorly run organization.
     
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  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    That's an absurd argument.

    No team develops ALL or MOST of the players brought in. On the flipside, many teams, ESPECIALLY us for a decade, barely developed talent at all.

    Also, I'm not saying the staff should be kept for it, I'm just saying lets at least have an honest assessment and that includes that this staff has done a damn fine job developing the talent on this roster.
     
  16. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    problem with dion jordan is he plays better moving in coverage then he does as a DE, he is useful but punching under his weight/talent level
     
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  17. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    So what?

    What are your expectations? That no player can bust out lest our coaching staff be called failures at developing talent.

    BTW, Taylor will be starting at #2 CB this year.

    R. Tannehill, J. James, J. Landry, R. Jones, J. Jenkins, L. Miller, C. Clay, V. Olivier, J. Odrick, K. Misi, etc. all would like to have a word as well.

    I bet by the end of the season R. Matthews, D. Jordan, J. Taylor, C. McCain will also like to have words too.
     
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  18. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    He also has more playoff appearances and wins. His teams have beaten the likes of Brady and Manning too. With Mark Sanchez no less.
     
  19. Tannephins

    Tannephins Banned

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    What is the effect of the head coach on winning and losing in the NFL, and how is that measured and determined for any one head coach in the league? I suspect this thread will span hundreds of replies, with plenty of bantering back and forth, and that very basic and essential information will remain unknown, making the entire discussion completely uninformed in the most necessary way.
     
  20. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't matter why, Philbin is here for at least another year. Lets hope we finally do something other than go 8-8.
     
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  21. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    It is rather difficult to say these players have had a big jump in development under Philbin and this coaching staff when you consider that the Dolphins were 7-9 in Philbin's first year as the teams head coach and has been 8-8 the past two years.

    While all the players you mentioned have a certain degree of talent. I think the point of this thread is that the team and these players may have had more success over the past three years if they had a better HC than Philbin.

    Even with the addition of Suh, I see this team finishing out of the playoffs in 2015. So I expect Philbin to be removed as the HC after next season and I just hope Ross and Tannebaum can finally bring in a top tier head coaching candidate for the 2016 season.

    I have never felt Philbin is a quality NFL head coach and even though some players may have developed under this coaching staff. I think under a better coaching staff, these same players and perhaps some of the other players on the roster would have developed even more.

    It is all about wins and losses in the NFL and after three years as the Dolphins head coach, Philbin has a losing record and that just isn't good enough. I think Ross made a huge mistake retaining Philbin for the coming season. All it will end up doing is prolonging the implementation of the system the new HC in 2016 is sure to install.
     
  22. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    He is cheap.
     
  23. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Joe Philbin shouldn't be afforded these considerations. He has routinely been publicly disrespected by players. If you can't gain the respect of your players, you should not be a head coach.
     
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  24. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They've routinely and badly mismanaged talent on the team.

    They play guys constantly out of position and technique(linebacker, offensive line especially), fail to start the best player, and bury guys for inexplicable reasons. It's a wonder there has been any development of young players.
     
  25. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    i see you post his name wrong again, so it wasn't a typo before...StillS is his name and what makes you think the upgrading part is done after 5 days into free agency and a draft still to come ? SMH
     
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  26. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    This is probably the biggest strike against him, yeah. Also the late-season collapses, the open disrespect from players, the weak staff he hired. I know many on here believe that Bill Lazor basically saved Philbin's job...and if Philbin had had his way Lazor wouldn't even be here.

    Then you look at his bottom line. He took over a team that was consistently around .500 with Sparano. And even with a much better QB the team is still consistently finishing around .500.
     
  27. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Maybe there just weren't any other options deemed worthy out there. Rex Ryan may be better, but he hasn't developed an offense which makes it almost pointless. Although he would've inherited Tannehill which would be the best QB he's had, though Tannehill is still an unknown. And if I think about it, Rex could probably do a better job in December than Miami's last two choke jobs. And would probably improve the secondary. Whatever, its done. I don't think I'd want Rex or Philbin as the coach of a team, but I guess i'll wait and see since Philbin is here anyway for '15.
     
  28. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    bc we blew our load and have no money left....
     
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  29. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    don't know if you are sarcastic or not :)
     
  30. finfansince72

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    Its just too late for any drastic coaching changes. The time has passed. Either this team makes some noise, gets to the playoffs or he is a goner. I am ok with that. He has the talent to win 10+ games, if he doesn't then we start over.
     
  31. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Not true. The Dolphins are currently around $12mil under the cap. Even if they use all of their picks in the upcoming draft, and sign every player they do pick, they'd still be around $7-$8mil under the cap. And thia includes the $21mil in dead cap space used for the top 7 players they released/traded.


    edit: This also includes Clay's salary this season. So we may have about $7mil more if he leaves.
     
  32. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Rex Ryan's a average coach.

    The defense's Ryan is known for were built by Eric Mangini.

    I would much rather have Philbin over Ryan. Watch what happens in Buffalo. We all know they already have a heck of a defense. Ryan has made some moves on the offensive side of the ball.

    For the first couple years Buffalo is going to give us all we can handle. Once Ryan starts tweaking their D they will slowly decline. Mirror image to the Jets


    The collapse if there is one they will blame on Joe Philbin

    Joe Philbin = Patsy


    edit : What Ryan was given

    league rank for Buffalo Bills

    4th in pts allowed

    4th in yds allowed

    3rd in pass

    11th in rush
     
  33. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He only has more wins because he has been a head coach longer. Over the last three years Philbin has more wins than Rex. And those play-off appearances, they only came when a guy name Mike Tannebaum was buying the groceries for Rex. I wonder what that guy is doing these days?
     
  34. Aquafin

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    CAUTIOUS JOE makes conservative Dave look like a Liberial head coach . I almost had to be committed when Miami started letting teams come back on them and this has to stop and we have to play to win instead of playing not to lose.
     
  35. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    In terms of IQ an business acumen, no, Ross isn't the dumbest owner in sports. In terms of NFL knowledge, I believe he is, or at the very least in the top 5. And that's why Philbin is retained, and that's why LB's sig is close enough.

    Such a terrible move to change this much with an NFL roster but not hire a new coach. It's like saying, damn I hate this car. It's just not performing the way it should. Let me buy new tires, new paint, gut the inside, leather seats, add some fancy accessories, new transmission, new brakes, etc...but let's go ahead and keep the engine in there. Because no way could that have been part of the problem...
     
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  36. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    All of this matters not. He is our coach for the upcoming season and nothing we can say or do will change that.
    We will sink or swim with him next season and either we will make the playoffs or start another coaching search.
     
  37. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    Didn't know this was going to be a hate thread.

    Joe and Coyle will be here for at least one more season. Yeah, the truth hurts...
    Let's just suck it up for now and hope they do well. There jobs here are counting on these big FA moves. :wink2:
     
  38. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Honestly, I think the simplest answer is usually correct and that would be continuity but the larger portion would be to keep Lazor.

    The way we went about getting Hickey and his contract seemed like he would fill a gap so to speak. If we don't make the playoffs this year I see Hickey and Philbin being fired at which point it will be interesting to see if the front office and new GM think Lazor has done enough to become our head coach.
     
  39. muskrat21

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    so we have enough for 2 depth players, not impressed... till clay takes his bloat elsewhere.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    if hickey hits this draft i don't want him going anywhere, who do you think is doing all the grunt work?..tannebaum is a closer, he didn't come to the conclusions based on film study to get rid of wheeler, ellerbe, wilson, Odrick etc..
     

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