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why keep Philbin?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Jersey Dolfan, Mar 15, 2015.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    That defense lead them to that, and it had nothing to do with Wannidiot.

    I honestly don't understand you guys.

    There is no way in hell this team missing the playoffs the past two years with the moderate talent we have is a bigger let down then the team with JT, Zach, Sam, Pat, Brock, et all not even getting to the AFCCG or even winning more than one playoff game.
     
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  2. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    The defense wasn't THAT good. I thought he did a good job that year and his players always played hard for him. I also don't remember him making the in-game goofs that Philbin makes. Wanny was just a horrible GM.
     
  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Then your memory is poor.

    Wanny was horrible at everything and our defense was THAT good.

    My god, you're saying the offense wasn't good and the defense wasn't THAT good, but you think we got to 11-5 off of what exactly? The 3 runs and a Kick strategy? Talk about a queasy coach...Fist Bump Field Goal Sparano had more sack than Wannyidiot.
     
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  4. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I could do w/o Philbin, especially from a personel standpoint but 8-8 equals incompetence implies that JP had 10-11 win talent on the field and that is FAR from the case.
     
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  5. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Philbin will be gone soon enough. He and T-Baum are polar opposites.
     
  6. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    He's being scapegoated. He's not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. It goes with the territory. The HC coach gets all the fan's scorn and little praise until he wins a Superbowl. The team has been rebuilding, while at the same time, trying to be competitive. Look around the league. It's a lot more difficult than people realize. Look at all the recent changes. Ahhhh. Whatever. :lol:
     
  7. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Winning the Super Bowl is difficult.


    Making the playoffs in a 3 year span is really not, a very high percentage of teams do so.....
     
  8. Jersey Dolfan

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    Why are some so convinced we make the playoffs or its bust for failbin? I mean I know that's what it is - but looking at this team objectively, the playoffs are so far fetched, that its almost a sure thing Philbin is a lame duck.

    I know some people have aqua glasses this time of year, and I did for over 25 years of my life, but as of right now we have basically just gotten rid of people. Besides Suh, wr havnt brought in any true game changers to make up for the losses.

    My basic premise is - hey, if we are rebuilding in Tannenbaum's image, why not get rid of a HC who is simply just as bad or worse as the players we canned? Why spend another 1-3 years in purgatory. We are not gonna overcome philbins inadequacy with the moves made thus far.

    I liked some of the answers that Philbin is cheap it this is hickeys last stand, but at the end of the day I think that again proves Ross is horrible at this. Either give Joe/hickey a last year and then fire them, or let Tannenbaum rebuild the whole thing from scratch this year.

    I want to get excited, but I don't see any net improvement so far that tells me we have a chance to do anything more this season than the passed 2.

    The talent was there the last 2 years to get us in great position for a playoff spot, it both years we fell apart down the stretch due mostly to bad coaching and motivation. Don't see that changing all the sudden just BC we got Suh and Cameron. We've picked up other big free agents before, so have other teams, but it rarely translates into a huge improvement without better coaching and administration franchise-wide.
     
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  9. Jersey Dolfan

    Jersey Dolfan Active Member

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    Chicken or the egg. I think at this point of the calendar year, fans just wanna rally behind their team. Whoever is gone, sucked, whoever came in or is still here is great.

    Truth is, we beat the heck outta San Diego when Philbin was MIA all week. We beat the pats, our QB was top 15, we two years in a row came a game or 2 from the playoffs and wound up losing to teams that there is NO DOUBT we are better than talent wise. Jets, almost losing to Minn (lol) etc.

    You blame the talent BC its gone, and now you can get to September and have something to cheer for. I say we had 10 win talent (beat the jets, dont call TO and have a horrible coverage call vs the packers, call a TO in that other game we blew on a 4th down etc, hell thats 3 games right there! 11 wins. ) and Philbin and the staff failed.
     
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  10. Pauly

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    Philbin reminds me of a front of house manager in one of the restaurants I worked at. This manager was sort of OK at her job, but because the two previous managers had been: (a) a drunk who sexually harassed the waitresses; and (b) a thief who skimmed from the till; the owner wouldn't get rid of her. It was more likely that we would get someone the same or worse than we would find someone better.

    Philbin fits into the sort of OK mould, there are some thing he does well, e.g. planning practise schedules, second half adjustments and there are some things he does badly e.g. player management. I can understand Ross being hesitant to get rid off him without having a sure fire upgrade ready to replace him.
     
  11. Pauly

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    Yeah but there are three other games last season that if their HC coulda shoulda woulda done something different we would have been 5-11.

    If you're going to play the 'if this play had been different' game, you should always play that game with an opposing fan. As fans we remember the little things that went against us but forget the little things that went for us.
     
  12. None of us really are in the know and we only have a superficial impression based on what we see in the final product. That being said Philbin seems like a mixed bag of both good and bad. He has yet to wow me in a good way but he has wowed me in a bad way on several occasions.
     
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  13. finsfandan

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    How is 10-11 win talent "FAR from the case"? Scan over the 2013 season and tell me that we shouldn't have had 10-11 wins and gotten into the playoffs.

    There were 4 losses where the margin was 4 points or less and we only had to win ONE of the final two games to enter the playoffs but instead we got #rekt.

    In 2014, 3 losses where the margin of victory was 4 points or less.
     
  14. Serpico Jones

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    My hairy ***.
     
  15. jdang307

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    How well was Juwuan James playing at the end of the year.
     
  16. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fiedler >>> Tannehill? Point duly noted. ;)
     
  17. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We were 8-6 with two must wins against not great teams. And didn't even sniff a win. Stop looking at the season as a whole and look at it situationally. At the biggest moments they have failed.
     
  18. Clark Kent

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    About as well as can be expected, he is a RT not a LT. And I blame the person who made that decision. He should of stayed put.
     
  19. jdang307

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    Exactly. He went from a good RT to a sheety LT. Kill two birds with one stone, literally. Thanks Philbin. First round picks are invaluable, and yet this coaching staff tried their best to ruin the past two.
     
  20. Fin D

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    Well that's a pretty stupid jump from what I said.:hi5::knucks::up:
     
  21. Sceeto

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    Ewww. Thanks for that image Ms Dingleberry.
     
  22. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know. I call it, the Fin D Pofo Special. :P Just messin with ya Fin D. I know you don't think that. You only think

    Fiedler>Tannehill.
     
  23. Fin D

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    Crazy, right?!??!?!

    I think its crazy you think Wilson > Marino. But hey to each his own.
     
  24. Piston Honda

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    Those big moments were only big bc of big wins at NY, at Pitt and vs NE, no?
     
  25. jdang307

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    A guy whose team goes 8-8, which is win half, and lose half, and an argument put up to defend him is, well he lost some big games but won some too. Yeah. That's why they're 8-8 and not 1-15. The playoffs is sudden death so you need a team that's going to win all of their big games, not half of them
     
  26. Piston Honda

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    Nice post, I def see where you're coming from.

    No worries here though. I am not the guy who's looking for artificial reasons to get excited, I'm the guy being called a pessimist for not catching Suh fever lol.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Not reading the thread. Only answering the question posed in the title of the thread.

    Question: Why keep Philbin?
    Answer: Beats me.
     
  28. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Im not defending anyone. I just don't agree w ignoring 8-6 as an accomplishment, going 5-2 after the bullying "scandal", three of the wins vs playoff teams, to turn around say oh they fail in the big games because they lost the final two.
     
  29. jdang307

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    Because it doesn't matter if you start 0-8 and then finish 8-0 and miss the playoffs, or vice versa. 8-6 is an accomplishment if you close at least 1 of the last two and make the playoffs. Those last two games at the end were much, much bigger games than the other "big" games you labeled. And the fact that the other games were against playoff teams while the win and you're in games were against lesser opponents makes it worse.
     
  30. Pauly

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    Who has been the best Dolphins coach since Don Shula retired?

    In terms of creating a team built to continue winning the only coach who has done that was JJ, and even then his heart wasn't in it. It's not that Philbin is good, it's the fear of replacing Philbin with someone who is no better or worse that is stopping Philbin from being given the boot.

    You really can't make the case that Philbin is positively a worse NFL coach than Wannstadt, Saban, Cameron or Sparano. So it is the fear of rolling the wheel again and ending up with another mostly harmless HC that is keeping Philbin safe.
     

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