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So far, is Dion Jordan the worst bust in Dolphins' history?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, Feb 3, 2015.

  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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  2. magicap

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    Yes
     
  3. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    A few names have been mentioned, Rick Norton and Eric Kumerow seem to be the tops in my book...if you look at personnel blunders in general, I think Robin Sendlein acquisition was pretty bad too, but that's not a high round pick.... There are quite a few to be considered, heck even George Myra in the 2nd round was a pretty bad pick...
     
  4. Ducken

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    You and me both!! I was so dumbfounded.
     
  6. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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  7. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I assume you mean George Mira. The problem with considering him a bust for the Dolphins is that he was never drafted by the Dolphins. He was drafted in the second round of the 1964 draft by the 49ers.

    The Dolphins did not even become a professional football team in Miami until 1966. Mira was a backup for the Dolphins for a season later in his career, but if he is to be considered a draft bust, that discussion would be better debated on the 49ers fan forum.

    As far as Norton is concerned, he certainly merits some consideration for biggest bust of all time for the Dolphins. Unfortunately though, the Dolphins were an expansion team in 1966 and they were trying to find a young QB they could build the team around.

    Norton was the highest rated QB in the 1966 draft. Of course that isn't saying much because there wasn't a single decent QB who came out of that draft.

    The best thing Norton did with the Dolphins was to show the FO rather quickly that he was not a quality QB. By showing his ineptitude immediately, this allowed the Dolphins go into the 1967 draft with the idea of drafting another QB with their first round pick.

    Fortunately the 49ers decided to draft Steve Spurrier. A Heisman Trophy winner and an excellent college coach in later years, but not a good NFL QB. With Spurrier off the board, the Dolphins were able to select Bob Griese with their selection in the first round and the rest is history.

    So as bad as the pick of Norton might have been at the time. The FO at that time was able to recognize their error in drafting him and they corrected that error the very next year.

    I just wish the FO of the Dolphins had been that perceptive over the last decade and perhaps this team would not have been mediocre for so long.
     
  8. dolfan32323

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  9. magicap

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    The Ryan Leaf of defensive players....and we drafted him. Ugh.
     
  10. RevRick

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    Eddie Moore would have to be a long way of the list of mistakes!
     
  11. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I assume he means George Mira Jr. who was a second round Fins' pick out of UM, who was not very good.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That is wrong too.
    George Mira, Jr. was an All-American Middle linebacker for the University of Miami Hurricanes football team during the mid-1980s, taking over the reins after the departure of Jay Brophy. He is also the son of former U.M quarterback George Mira, Sr. He had a stellar career at the University of Miami until the 1987 National Championship Game, his last game of his senior year, before which he was suspended by the NCAA for diuretics use. The suspension endangered his draft status, which sent him down to the 12th round of the 1988 NFL Draft, two picks short of being Mr Irrelavent, where he was selected by the San Francisco 49ers, but did not manage an NFL game
     
  13. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Thank Joe Thomas for that. The unsung hero and true architect of the 1970s SB teams. When one looks at Thomas' record in personnel acquisition it is mind boggling. Drafted (besides Griese), Csonka, Morris, Kiick, Mandich, Anderson, Scott, Den Herder, Stanfill, Heinz, Johnson, Foley, Kolen, Twilley, et al. Traded for future HOF players in Buoniconti, Little and Warfield. Unearthed rejects from other teams like Kooch, and Langer. Signed UDFAs like Fernandez, Wayne Moore, and Doug Swift. IMO, there should be a statue of Joe Thomas outside the stadium. There would have been no 17-0 or SB winners sans Joe Thomas.

    Kind of doubt that 49ers fans share the admiration for Thomas though. He really screwed the pooch later on as their GM.
     
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  14. magicap

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    Without question he is the biggest bust. If he continues at this pace he will be top 10-15 in the NFL alltime. Not only was he the 2nd pick in the draft we gave up a 2nd round pick to take him. As bad as ryan leaf was at least the chargers didn't give up picks!
     
  15. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    I think I was confusing Mira Jr. and Brophy, LOL.
     
  16. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Kind of a moot point, in regards to his bust-ness, but you've said in multiple threads that he was the 2nd pick in the draft. He was the third overall pick that year, not the second.
     
  17. Vertical Limit

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    Second or third, no difference.. it's a high as hell pick. You expect greatness when you draft a player that high. lol that video of his draft selection. "This is about getting Tom Brady"... how many sacks does this guy have against the Patriots?
     
  18. resnor

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    I said it was a "moot point" in regards to his "bust-ness." That being said, I appreciate when people are actually using the actual draft number if they are going to cite it.
     
  19. jdang307

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    It's not just that he was the 3rd overall pick, but we gave up #42 in the process. So his bust is double, a 1st and top'ish of the 2nd rounder.

    His career isn't over yet? Okay. There is still a chance the Dolphins salvage something out of his career still. But go watch the press conference and you see two executives that look like they were caught off guard answering questions about Dion. Hickey was basically channelling Rosenhaus, "Next Question!"

    The previous busts were mostly about injury and skill. They question whether Dion's heart is even in the game.

    You have to take into account draft position and what we gave up. We gave up 12 and 42. Two highly coveted draft picks on Jordan.
     
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  20. magicap

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    I mistaked it for the 2nd pick also. 2nd or 3rd whichever is still the biggest bust in dolphins history.
     
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  21. Aquafin

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    I can see your point on KAJ but no way in hell should Ronnie Brown be considered a bust have you forgotten the wildcat vs New England

    as for Yatil Green his problem was health issues not lack of talent , Sammie Smith Jason Allen , John Avery should our three worst because they were just bad picks Yatil Green had Talent those other guys were bust by the true meaning of the word bust.
     
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  22. resnor

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    Ronnie Brown wasn't a bust. He was a productive back for us. I mean, a guy that you draft that is your starter for 6 years isn't a "bust." And Ted Ginn gets a pass from me simply for torching the Jets for us.
     
  23. jw3102

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    I totally agree Thomas was the mastermind behind those great Dolphin teams of the 1970's. During his time with the Dolphins, he did a great job of finding talent in the draft, as well finding gems in the undrafted pool of players and castoffs from other teams.

    Thomas and Chuck Noll were the best talent evaluators in the game during that period.

    As far as a statue for Thomas is concerned, I would have no problem with that at all.

    The other person who should have a statue outside the stadium is Bill Arnsparger. As great as Shula was as a head coach, Arnsparger was every bit as good as a defensive coordinator. He was ahead of his time with his defensive schemes and I would rate him right at the top in regards to defensive coordinators in the history of the NFL.
     
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  24. MrClean

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    The Steelers had some talent evaluators who made the calls on those early 70s Steelers drafts. Noll did not have final call back then. He wanted to take John Stallworth much earlier and their actual personnel guys told him they could wait and still get him. Had it been up Noll they'd taken Stallworth in the 1st and missed out on Lynn Swann.
     
  25. jim1

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    Yeah, Brophy was a definitely a bust in 1984 and so was the LB taken in the 1st rd that year, Jackie Shipp at #14. Shipp was terrible, he and Brophy just couldn't play at the NFL level.
     
  26. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Whoops, there it is.....:(
     
  27. The G Man

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  28. jw3102

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    When this thread started in February, it was still open for debate as to which player was the biggest draft bust in Dolphin history.
    At that time, it was thought that Jordan would still have a chance to be a productive player in the NFL and therefore many other players were mentioned as being bigger draft bust.

    With his year long suspension handed down today and his overall lack of production in his first two years. Along with the fact he cost the Dolphins a first and second round pick, I think it is now clear that Jordan has to go down as the biggest draft bust in Dolphin history.
     
  29. Sethdaddy8

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    The anger I feel, that this man-child can't do the simple minimum to keep his dumb-a$$ active in the league, wants me to say yes, worst bust ever. Ted Ginn and Jason Allen have at lasted went on and continued to work in this league WAY beyond the average length of typical NFL career. We traded up to the #3 overall spot, and he can;t quit smoking dope. That is just a horrendous waste of our time and resources.

    And the shame of it is, yes, he flashed potential at times. He was not a Vernon Gholston, who just couldn't play. Very annoyed with this guy, and the lack of due-diligence done before taking him. The only minor comfort is that it was an extremely weak draft class. But should've just grabbed another lineman. Anything...
     
  30. DolPhinPhan7

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    Yatil Green might have something to say about that. But at least the Phins didn't trade up to get him.
     
  31. xphinfanx

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    At this point Jamarcus Russel is no longer the most laughed at first round bomb.
     
  32. jw3102

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    Yatil Green is only considered a bust because he was not able to play because of injuries and he was a first round draft pick.
    The real bust in the Green pick is the fact he was drafted that early to begin with. He was injured for much of his college career with the Hurricanes and if for no other reason than durability, he should have never been a first round draft pick to begin with.

    If not for injuries, I think Green might have been able to be a very productive player in the NFL.

    Jordan on the otherhand doesn't have injuries as an excuse. He has nothing to blame for his failure in the NFL except his own behavior and his inability to deal with his drug issues.
     
  33. Agua

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    lets not get crazy now his contract makes him the all time bust imo
     
  36. Conuficus

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    Well away from here

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