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Garoppolo the best QB in the division?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by The Sportz Guy, May 14, 2015.

  1. The Sportz Guy

    The Sportz Guy New Member

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    On NFL Network, Brian Baldinger just said that New England could still be the most effective at QB in the division with Jimmy Garoppolo. SMH.
     
  2. SICK

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    Sadly, week 1: Julian Edlemen will have the most playoff touchdown passes out of any active AFC East quarterback.



    Hopefully that changes after this season :pity:
     
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  3. The Sportz Guy

    The Sportz Guy New Member

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    A sad fact indeed.
     
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  4. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Garoppolo's going to be a good QB. He needed the Aaron Rodgers treatment given where he came from. I don't know if starting week 1 (if he indeed starts week 1 and not Brady) in his second year is long enough, but I wouldn't be shocked if he plays very well and goes 2-2/3-1 for NE. And we all know how QB friendly NE's system is.
     
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  5. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    He may well be the most effective...NE's system is QB-proof...which is why I've never held much respect for Brady, particularly now with the cheating. I wouldn't say he's the best, but I'd say their team's offense is far more disciplined than any other team in the NFL. That's probably what many would refer to as "most effective." We'll see.

    Edit: And they have a healthy Gronk. His impact on an offense's success can NOT be overstated. He's a century player IMHO. Our guys (Landry aside) aren't proven with RT yet, we expect great things, but until those things happen, they're unproven...its just the reality of it.
     
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  6. The Sportz Guy

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    His play better than Tannehill's, though?
     
  7. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    No that's not what I meant...I just mean you could be, individually, just OK and do well in that system. Look at Cassel?

    I believe RT is better and will play, individually, better. But overall team performance is different. I think team discipline is very much understated in general...that's their biggest advantage.

    Edit: Winning = effective...Individal performance doesn't always = winning.
     
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  8. Pauly

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    Geno Smith could be the best QB in the NFL if he plays like he did against us week 17 for a whole season.

    Many things could be possible. But based on performance, most reasonable people would bet on RT being the AFCE QB with the best individual stats through weeks 1-4.
     
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  9. Alex13

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    sometimes just how a name is written you should see there is something wrong....:shifty:
     
  10. The G Man

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    While I agree with what you are saying to an extent, I think Brady is still a HOF QB. And, while their system may be very QB friendly, and their offense is in fact well disciplined as you said, we're still talking about a 2nd year QB with no regular season experience (to my knowledge). Also, no denying Gronk is a HUGE asset to a young QB. But, all that said, if the 4 game suspension holds (which I actually think is unlikely), Garoppolo would have to face the Steelers, @Bills, Jags, and @Cowboys. I think he'd be lucky to go 2-2 quite frankly, but that's JMHO.

    As for Tannehill, it's on him to take the next step and prove he's the best young QB in the division. I think he is, and I think he will show that this season. But, until he does, you'll continue to hear this kind of speculation from analysts.
     
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  11. PhinFan1968

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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  12. GARDENHEAD

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    Tannehill gets ZERO respect and I'm not sure he deserves much just yet. I listened to a lot of sports talk this week and radio guys were lumping Tannehill/Geno Smith/EJ Manuel together as crappy QBs.

    Its totally on Tannehill, with all the weapons he now has, to go out there and be awesome.
     
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  13. cbrad

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    Yeah, I chalk this up to getting some ratings.. Garoppolo is too unproven to take statements like that seriously (I'd believe it more if whoever said that was willing to actually bet against what are likely to be much lowered odds for NE to come away with a winning record in their first 4 games).
     
  14. Mcduffie81

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    Everyone thinks NE's backup QB is going to be great. Every damn one they get. Ill believe it when I see it. So sick of hearing about their latest backup QB...
     
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  15. CitizenSnips

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    If I'm philbin I get a recording of this and play it in front of tannehill and the rest of the offense
     
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  16. jw3102

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    I stated last season after watching him play in the preseason that I thought Garoppolo would eventually turn out to be the best QB in the division. He might not be ready to take over for Brady yet and I have no idea what type of success he will have as a new starter over the first four weeks of this season, but long term, I love his upside.
     
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  17. Ohio Fanatic

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    Even if he was a really good QB, even despite the lack of playing time, I can't ignore that the supporting cast just isn't the same. The Loss of Revis, Browner and Arrington will have an impact on their defense. While I really like Malcolm Brown, he has to prove himself at the NFL level. IMO, their defense has been knocked down 1 or 2 levels and Brady is going to have to win some shootouts this season to get a similar record. Now that he's suspended, I'm not seeing Garapolo winning shootouts. Can he be effective like Cassel was in 2008, probably, but Cassel had Randy Moss on one side and a much better defense on the other side.
     
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  18. Pauly

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    Dude, we Dolphin fans spent so much time bashing RT last year for not connecting with Mike Wallace on the deep ball, so why would another fan base think RT is a decent QB?
     
  19. Coral Reefer

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    Agree completely with this.
    Said it ever since watching Cassel in that system the one year.
     
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  20. CitizenSnips

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    Back then they had randy moss, Welker, and a pretty stellar defense. I hate the comparison to cassel, there no where as complete a team as they were then
     
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  21. jaymoney

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    I noticed that the sports media industries(including NFL Network) just don't seem to give a **** about the Dolphins.
    I'm living outside of U.S. so a lot of times i get news from big sports media like NFL Network or ESPN (which is suck because they suck...) and they don't care, don't bring up the issues about certain teams including us. We get minimum spotlight I think. If Suh had sign Seahawks or Pats they'd talk about Suh all day every day.
    That doesn't bother me but sometime, like now, it's kinda irritating because all they talk about is New England Cheatriots
     
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  22. cbrad

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    When you win, people care about you more. It's not just the Dolphins.
     
  23. jaymoney

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    I know, which is quite awful for me sometimes because when you look at the 49ers or Seahawks fanbase nowadays, you'll see a lot of bandwagons. We already had that experience with the Heats. When people mocking and judging, making fun of Heat fans, i got irritated because i've been repping Heat and Dolphins more than 15 years.
    Maybe it's is something we all have to deal with or maybe it is not even a big deal but i just want wide, ample news and knowledge from the medias.
    I guess it's all because of number of viewer or rating.. they need to change. They gotta be professional especially NFL Network.
    Let's start with firing ****ing Heath Evans.
     
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  24. cbrad

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    There's not enough accountability in the media, period. Those commentators know that people forget most of what they say anyway, so they don't mind throwing crap out just to get ratings. And yes, you're right about Heath Evans.
     
  25. jdang307

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    Which system? The system they ran in the early career of Brady? The system they ran after 2007? The system they ran in 2011 with Gronk and Hernandez and the uptempo no huddle? 2013 when they lose Welker, Hernandez and Gronk, and go to a power run game? Or the most recent dink and dunk system they ran last year to beat a formidable pass defense?

    Matt Cassell is always thrown up as an example, but they took a 5 win hit year over year. That's a 10-6 team going down to 5-11. Or 13-3 down to 8-8. Cassell had a very similar season two years later and he didn't have Moss and Welker.

    Have you ever seen a system change not only year to year, but game to game. They'll run it for 250 yards against the Colts and then pass it 53 times the next game.
     
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  26. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    That's pretty much a nutshell of what I'm talking about. Their "system" meaning they have a VERY disciplined offense and they perform their roles...as a TEAM...the QB is just one piece.

    And talking Cassell, my point is more that he had a great year (for him) and the team STILL had 11 wins...then Cassell moved on and hasn't done jack sh*t since. That speaks to the system they have in place and NOT to the importance of who's rubbing the center's ***.

    Edit: And saying they had a "drop off" from a 16 win season is a bit simp don't you think? 16-0 is such an outlier it doesn't even deserve comparison. Twice in the history of the NFL it's happened? Odds are abysmal that they would've won 16 again with Brady.
     
  27. resnor

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    Cassell had one good year in NE...So what? First mean he would have done that well again for them. There's plenty of guys that have one great year, and never again. Kitna was awesome one year. There's been others. Brady has done it year in and year out, in multiple "systems." In the reason of winning games, I still don't see the deflating, if it was occurring, as being why they won. I still think it's a big deal, as far as cheating, if it was occurring, but I don't think it gave them some huge advantage.
     
  28. PhinFan1968

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    The deflating isn't as big a deal as the helmet comms or spygate. But how can you quantify the benefit Brady's career has gotten from the rampant cheating we know about (even if no other cheating has happened...which I seriously doubt)? It has to be massive. Yes, he threw the balls, yes, they won the games, no, they didn't do it on the up-and-up, so that pretty much wipes it all out in my opinion.

    Edit: I have zero doubt Cassell would've done as well, if not better, if he'd started the next year.
     
  29. resnor

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    You're also acting like the Patriots are the only team doing this stuff. We know that is not the case. This is like steroids in baseball.
     
  30. resnor

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    Cassell won 11 games, but it's not like he put up numbers as good as Brady with the same team. I have doubts he would have done any better the next season.
     
  31. jw3102

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    I agree. I think all team try and gain an advantage any way they can inside the rules, but I have no doubt a large percentage of the teams and maybe all the teams are willing to bend the rules if they think they can get away with it.

    I think that what this deflatedgate will now do is either get every team to play within the rules or there will be a lot more teams reporting other teams for rule violations. In fact the Patriots are already bringing up other teams they accuse of messing with the footballs in prior years.

    As much as I can't stand Brady for lying about his knowledge of the football being altered at his request. I have no doubt he isn't the first QB to have members of their staff to alter the football in a way they feel more comfortable passing it.

    It it will be interesting to see how many teams start reporting rules violations in an effort to get the best players from opposing teams suspended for at least a month.
     
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  32. Harleydude666

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    Don't know what else to say except that Baldinger is a MORON!

    [video]http://i.giphy.com/LoGh1t5iGxFOE.gif[/video]
     
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  33. PhinFan1968

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    Who has been caught? It's a much bigger impact and tragedy when the team doing it wins a championship. If everybody's doing it, why don't we hear about it? Besides Atlanta.

    They've done it for years...so you can deflect and minimize it all you want...I just see it another way...and that won't change.
     
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  34. fin13

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    Ballsdinger said this because he was pissed when Silver called him out for only reading page 2 of the Wells report, he was defending Brady without even reading the report.
    Also Evans made the comment that not having Brady didn't make any difference as BB would outcoach the other teams.
    NFL Network should be called Pats network, Casserly and Silver are the only people that are trying to hold the Pats and Brady accountable, Casserly went as far to say that the punishment was a joke, he said they should have suspended Brady for the SB and the picks should have been taken this draft not next years or 2 years from now.
     
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  35. resnor

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    So, you haven't heard accusations about tons of other teams and QBs doing exactly what the Patriots are accused of? You don't care about the psi measurements of the Colts balls in the same game? Feel free to continue with your witch hunt, but "it is more probable than not" that most teams/QBs have been involved in similar activities.
     
  36. Fin4Ever

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    I could thank that statement over..and over...Yes, we need to start winning more for positive press but imho..NFL Network especially talks bad about the Dolphins way too much....they are a Patriot homer network imho....especially Heath "talks with balls in his mouth" Evans
     
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  37. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I've heard of the talk...haven't seen them investigated...also haven't seen their teams lose draft picks from being caught multiple times...I choose not to wave their banner, thanks.
     
  38. resnor

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    Wave their banner?? Why do people get all caught up with twisting someone's fandom in with wanting the truth to come to light? The only reason that the Colts balls being underinflated isn't a story is simply because THE NFL OFFICIALS stopped testing the Colts balls. Did A.J. Feely go public in 2004 with the story about the Patriots balls? Why not? We KNOW Brad Johnson tampered with balls in his Super Bowl, he admitted it. We KNOW Aaron Rodgers tries to sneak over-inflated balls through the pre-game check, HE admitted it. We know that this is all going on, yet people want to crucify only the Patriots, and want to act as if ONLY the Patriots were doing this stuff. Like I said, this is like steroids in baseball. Be upset over cheating, that's fine. Just don't be only upset at one team.
     
  39. Clark Kent

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    The media would love nothing more than for a team to step up in the AFC and challenge NE, if only for the rivalry story. Miami did make more positive media waves last season after competing hard against the big dogs of the NFL (NE, GB, Denver, etc...). Late in the season, you started hearing about Miami being on the cusp of great things. Then Albert got hurt and our offense came back down to earth and we didn't play nearly as well. Point is, if Miami gets their act together and wins some games, the media will be happy to talk about us. Especially since we have a young QB, and the media loves hyping those up for conversation pieces and a big star (Suh). Why would the media care about a team that doesn't have .500 going back to 2009? If Miami wins, we're relevant to the conversation and they'll talk about us. Until then, why should fans complain?
     
  40. PhinFan1968

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    Did all those other teams get caught video taping? Did all those other teams get caught using illegal frequencies in helmet comms, intentionally circumventing NFL rules and monitoring?

    Save it.
     
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